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[quote=Ron 14]
I guess I am a bigot because I am utterly intolerant of all of these beliefs. [/quote]
Well, I’m certainly not going to argue. Thanks for putting it so clearly.
To the crux of this argument God/no God. I think it takes so much more faith for an athiest/agnostic/whatever to believe in the big bang theory than my faith in Christ.
Sorry, Hulk, but I don’t think that this has to do with God/no God. Plenty of homosexuals believe in God. Plenty of people who believe in God don’t have a problem with others being gay.
[quote=LockEDJ] [quote=Ron 14]
I guess I am a bigot because I am utterly intolerant of all of these beliefs. [/quote]
Well, I'm certainly not going to argue. Thanks for putting it so clearly. [/quote] Nothing more respectable than insulting someone by taking an online post and leaving out its contents.
What makes me scary? I don't blow up buildings. I don't kill people. I send money to my church so they can help the community. I pay my taxes. My family has served in the military. I keep my house in good order. I'm not late on any payments. My kids are well behaved. I'm a part of civic organizations that help the local community and the world. I'm the guy you want as a neighbor. Probably the scariest part about me is that I don't really care for football. And I don't like beer. Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? The rest of that paragraph doesn't even make logical sense. Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? Why spend your hard earned money on a Christian school if you're going to teach your kids something different than what the school teaches? I would assume because you don't want them in public school. How do you reconcile in your mind what you read in the playbook and how you live your life? Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Do you pick and choose what best fits for you right now based on your current circumstances? Does one writer's guidelines mean more than another? I just don't think that I could purposefully inject myself in the religious world and not believe everything wholeheartedly. What would be the point?
You are a sick dude in my opinion. Your kind is as scary as any extremist in this country. If you don’t believe in Evolution…your an idiot. I go to church and my kids go to a Christian school but I see the bible as a playbook…something to teach kids and people lessons about life. It is about values. I teach acceptance. I don’t take the book as if it is gospel, I have a brain to think outside the box. Your a follower not a leader in life…
You spew all this garbage yet I am SURE you have a Jessica Hahn in your closet somewhere.
Can you provide an example of this? Not some stupid story about an Army buddy either ... a true life example.[quote=mlgone]a six year old mentality is when someone feels “creepy” about gay people[/quote]
is the same true when a homosexual feels “creepy” about heterosexual relationships as happens often? or is there a double standard?
My wife’s uncle told me that although he loves his niece, it is absolutely “disgusting” that we sleep together.
He is an example of someone who has seemed gay his whole life. He “tried” to date women, but it made him throw up in his mouth.
This was this past Thanksgiving, in Wisconsin.
What makes me scary? I don't blow up buildings. I don't kill people. I send money to my church so they can help the community. I pay my taxes. My family has served in the military. I keep my house in good order. I'm not late on any payments. My kids are well behaved. I'm a part of civic organizations that help the local community and the world. I'm the guy you want as a neighbor. Probably the scariest part about me is that I don't really care for football. And I don't like beer. Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? The rest of that paragraph doesn't even make logical sense. Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? Why spend your hard earned money on a Christian school if you're going to teach your kids something different than what the school teaches? I would assume because you don't want them in public school. How do you reconcile in your mind what you read in the playbook and how you live your life? Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Do you pick and choose what best fits for you right now based on your current circumstances? Does one writer's guidelines mean more than another? I just don't think that I could purposefully inject myself in the religious world and not believe everything wholeheartedly. What would be the point? [/quote] What makes me scary? Your an elitist that looks down on people that don't live your life. Creepy? Thats name calling Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? Because at this point it's scientific fact. Actually at this point it's a theory. They would call it the "law of evolution" if it was scientific fact. There is still the missing link and the Higgs-Bosun particle. However, there is more scientific evidence for evolution than creationism. Substantially more. Creationism is base on faith, not fact. The problem with intelligent design advocates and evolutionists is that one doesn't necessarily exclude the other.[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=mlgone]
You are a sick dude in my opinion. Your kind is as scary as any extremist in this country. If you don’t believe in Evolution…your an idiot. I go to church and my kids go to a Christian school but I see the bible as a playbook…something to teach kids and people lessons about life. It is about values. I teach acceptance. I don’t take the book as if it is gospel, I have a brain to think outside the box. Your a follower not a leader in life…
You spew all this garbage yet I am SURE you have a Jessica Hahn in your closet somewhere.
Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? What rule states that I must believe everthing in the bible or the majority of it or the minority? Is this in the rules for admision? Maybe I form my own opinions based on all intellectual input.
Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Yes What would be the point? To be a part of my immediate community. Teach my childern values and give them a foundation for a moral compass. The point I was making is I don't care what you believe, but when you come out and say you find a group of society "creepy", I have a problem with that. [/quote]
Would you say that people who practice polygamy are "creepy"? How about men who are part of NAMBLA? Both of those are groups of society.
That I wouldn't agree with either. I know many gay people and have never heard one of them be disgusted seeing hetrosexual people. I am sure if you "tried" dating a man you would throw up. That's ok for you but why pass judgement on someone else. I don't like men but I have no problem being around someone that does[/quote][quote=Moraen]My wife’s uncle told me that although he loves his niece, it is absolutely “disgusting” that we sleep together.
He is an example of someone who has seemed gay his whole life. He “tried” to date women, but it made him throw up in his mouth.
This was this past Thanksgiving, in Wisconsin.
You bet I would! But is he being a "bigot" for saying that me sleeping with my wife is "disgusting" to him.
I have heard it from several gay friends. Especially lesbians for some reason. My aunt, for example is a bull dike (her words, not mine). Not only does she think it's disgusting for my wife to sleep with me, but she openly attempts to hit on her straight male relatives' spouses.
Polygamy: Not creepy.
NAMBLA: Creepy and belong in jail forever. However, why would anyone want more than one wife? I can understand wanting multiple sex partners but not multiple wives.What makes me scary? I don't blow up buildings. I don't kill people. I send money to my church so they can help the community. I pay my taxes. My family has served in the military. I keep my house in good order. I'm not late on any payments. My kids are well behaved. I'm a part of civic organizations that help the local community and the world. I'm the guy you want as a neighbor. Probably the scariest part about me is that I don't really care for football. And I don't like beer. Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? The rest of that paragraph doesn't even make logical sense. Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? Why spend your hard earned money on a Christian school if you're going to teach your kids something different than what the school teaches? I would assume because you don't want them in public school. How do you reconcile in your mind what you read in the playbook and how you live your life? Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Do you pick and choose what best fits for you right now based on your current circumstances? Does one writer's guidelines mean more than another? I just don't think that I could purposefully inject myself in the religious world and not believe everything wholeheartedly. What would be the point? [/quote] What makes me scary? Your an elitist that looks down on people that don't live your life. Creepy? Thats name calling Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? Because at this point it's scientific fact. Actually at this point it's a theory. They would call it the "law of evolution" if it was scientific fact. There is still the missing link and the Higgs-Bosun particle. However, there is more scientific evidence for evolution than creationism. Substantially more. Creationism is base on faith, not fact. The problem with intelligent design advocates and evolutionists is that one doesn't necessarily exclude the other.[quote=Moraen] [quote=mlgone][quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=mlgone]
You are a sick dude in my opinion. Your kind is as scary as any extremist in this country. If you don’t believe in Evolution…your an idiot. I go to church and my kids go to a Christian school but I see the bible as a playbook…something to teach kids and people lessons about life. It is about values. I teach acceptance. I don’t take the book as if it is gospel, I have a brain to think outside the box. Your a follower not a leader in life…
You spew all this garbage yet I am SURE you have a Jessica Hahn in your closet somewhere.
Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? What rule states that I must believe everthing in the bible or the majority of it or the minority? Is this in the rules for admision? Maybe I form my own opinions based on all intellectual input.
Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Yes What would be the point? To be a part of my immediate community. Teach my childern values and give them a foundation for a moral compass. The point I was making is I don't care what you believe, but when you come out and say you find a group of society "creepy", I have a problem with that. [/quote]
Would you say that people who practice polygamy are "creepy"? How about men who are part of NAMBLA? Both of those are groups of society.
[/quote] I don't put gay people with Nambla people. Two consenting adults can do what they want[/quote]
Yes, two consenting adults CAN do whatever they want. One consenting adult can do what he wants. As I recall Spiff wasn't talking about going around and killing all gay people. He said they were creepy to him. Marilyn Manson is probably a good dude. But I'll be damned if he doesn't creep me out. It is because of his appearance and actions.
Two consenting adults can cut each other and drink each others blood ("vampires"), and that's creepy.
[quote=mlgone]
Ted Arthur Haggard (born June 27, 1956) is a former American evangelical preacher. Known as Pastor Ted to the congregations he served, he is the founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado; a founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches; and was leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006.
In November 2006, he resigned from all of his leadership positions after he admitted soliciting prostitute Mike Jones for homosexual sex and methamphetamine. Initially Haggard denied even knowing Mike Jones, but as a media investigation proceeded he acknowledged that some allegations, such as his purchase of methamphetamine, were true. He later added "sexual immorality" to his list of confessions.
After the scandal was publicized, Haggard entered three weeks of intensive counseling, overseen by four ministers. In February 2007, one of those ministers, Tim Ralph, said that Haggard "is completely heterosexual."[1] Ralph later said he meant that therapy "gave Ted the tools to help to embrace his heterosexual side." As of early 2009, Haggard continues to receive counseling, and now he says that he is a “heterosexual with issues.”[2]
[/quote]Very creepy. Although you really shouldn't call him that since he is a homosexual.
What makes me scary? I don't blow up buildings. I don't kill people. I send money to my church so they can help the community. I pay my taxes. My family has served in the military. I keep my house in good order. I'm not late on any payments. My kids are well behaved. I'm a part of civic organizations that help the local community and the world. I'm the guy you want as a neighbor. Probably the scariest part about me is that I don't really care for football. And I don't like beer. Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? The rest of that paragraph doesn't even make logical sense. Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? Why spend your hard earned money on a Christian school if you're going to teach your kids something different than what the school teaches? I would assume because you don't want them in public school. How do you reconcile in your mind what you read in the playbook and how you live your life? Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Do you pick and choose what best fits for you right now based on your current circumstances? Does one writer's guidelines mean more than another? I just don't think that I could purposefully inject myself in the religious world and not believe everything wholeheartedly. What would be the point? [/quote] What makes me scary? Your an elitist that looks down on people that don't live your life. Creepy? Thats name calling - No, I don't. I just don't agree with their lifestyle. And I don't want to be around them. Plenty of people live lives that are different than mine. In fact, most of them do. There are simply part of our society that creep me out more than others. Evolution - Why do you believe that evolution is a more credible theory than creationism? Because at this point it's scientific fact - This may be the funniest thing I've heard all day. Moraen did a good job with his post. Why do you go to church if you don't believe that the book the church was founded on is factual? What rule states that I must believe everthing in the bible or the majority of it or the minority? Is this in the rules for admission? Maybe I form my own opinions based on all intellectual input. - My guess would be that, yes, your church has a basic set of rules that govern the body. I'm not talking about the by-laws that govern the church body, but rather the foundational aspects of your denomination. The reason there are different denominations are that we can't all agree on the specifics. I would be that if you sat down with your pastor/priest that he would be able to tell you what those things are. Do you simply discard the parts that make you uncomfortable or that you think are outdated? Haven't really come across any parts like that. Then again I don't know it verse for verse. - This tells me you haven't spent that much time reading your playbook then. There are plenty of passages that would make the ordinary person uncomfortable. My dad likes to quote the verse in Leviticus that says people shouldn't tattoo their bodies. If you think I'm intolerant, you should meet him. What would be the point? To be a part of my immediate community. Teach my childern values and give them a foundation for a moral compass. The point I was making is I don't care what you believe, but when you come out and say you find a group of society "creepy", I have a problem with that. [/quote] I have to chuckle a little when you crack on me about being a bigot and that you teach your children acceptance.[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=mlgone]
You are a sick dude in my opinion. Your kind is as scary as any extremist in this country. If you don’t believe in Evolution…your an idiot. I go to church and my kids go to a Christian school but I see the bible as a playbook…something to teach kids and people lessons about life. It is about values. I teach acceptance. I don’t take the book as if it is gospel, I have a brain to think outside the box. Your a follower not a leader in life…
You spew all this garbage yet I am SURE you have a Jessica Hahn in your closet somewhere.
[quote=Ron 14]
You made equivalent being intolerant of gay people, with being intolerant of pedophiles and ex-cons around one’s loved ones. If you are offended, then don’t make stupid assertions and you won’t have that problem.
[quote=mlgone]The best part is he is now a life insurance salesman[/quote]
Or a Jones Rep…
ps: who’s the dancing girl…
[quote=LockEDJ]
At issue is that the vast majority of those that do harass gay people are, in fact, Christians.
Empirical evidence?
[quote=Spaceman Spiff][/quote]
[quote=LockEDJ] [quote=Ron 14]
You made equivalent being intolerant of gay people, with being intolerant of pedophiles and ex-cons around one's loved ones. If you are offended, then don't make stupid assertions and you won't have that problem. [/quote] Who said pedophile ? Is that what you think all sex offenders are ? Is that the first thing you think of ? Bigot! If you are 20 and sleep with a 17 year old girl and then marry her are you a pedofile ? You stepped in your own sh*t ! And who is to say an ex-con isn't rehabilitated ? He paid his dues, you should embrace him, love him, hire him! Or not ?
I have a few gay friends, who i am completely comfortable around (except for the flamboyant ones, which are quite a few of them). Do i agree with it, no and I believe it is their choice. Morean, I completely agree that alot of gay people are “uncomfortable” around heterosexual people. Do I believe they really are? No, i think it’s mostly an act. Sort of like the little goth kids who do everything in their power to wine about how “different” they are. Ironically, alot of them are gay as well. Marylin Manson also puts it all on for an act, he’s actually a very well educated person and very intelligent.
I also am not very religious at all. I do believe that there is something higher than us. Funny thing is, that it probably has nothing to do with any religion on this earth. Organized religion is a way to control man, written by man and that is a fact. You wouldn’t believe the homeless guy down the street when he says he’s talked to God. In fact, you’d admit him. Why would you believe the guy in a gold throne asking you for 10% of your money? The bible says nothing about another planet and anyone who believes out of the billions of other planets, that we are the ONLY living conscious beings in this universe, well i just feel sorry for you.
The Big Bang is just a theory, as Morean stated but so is almost every other scientific finding. There are very little “laws” that are proven, because there is so much about the world that we do not know. Hell relativity is just a theory, but we know for a fact that gravity exists. It’s just a theory because it is not completely understood. Same goes for Evolution. We KNOW things evolve. It happens everyday. Animals evolve (insects, animals, viruses). We see viruses and cells evolve under a microscope, after too many people take the shot for it. For Example: My cousin was born without white blood cells. (I don’t know the disease), but basically was a bubble boy until he was 4. The treatment was to slowly introduce him to the outside, so that his Red Blood cells would mutate or (evolve) into doing both the red cell functions and the white cell functions. That is exactly what happened. Now he is a normal boy. I don’t call that a miracle, I call that our bodies adapting… - Just my 2 cents
We all have our beliefs, but talking crap on a forum and bashing Spiff for his beiefs just makes you retarded.
One thing i really don’t seem to understand is this idea that their needs to be intolerance towards homosexuals simply due to religious doctrine. Sure, I understand that their are numerous biblical interpretations which have entrenched the divide, but it flies in the face of perhaps the most important tenant of Christianity. If God is all powerful, and all loving (which is the God I was raised to embrace), then why would we be intolerant of others? There are numerous references of Jesus Christ practicing tolerance, does it not follow that we should follow his lead?
I am what you would described as Christian Lite, so I do not pretend to be an expert on what the bible does or does not tell us. To be honest, I believe in evolution, we didn’t walk the earth with the dinosaurs 4000 years ago and the earth is round (yes I am being facetious), but there are many truths and much wisdom found in the bible (as well as other religious doctrines).
As for homosexuals being creepy? I am sure some are… so are some heterosexuals, . Do I understand homosexuality… I can’t say that I do… but I understand the utter contempt shown toward the gay population even less. Two consenting adults are not hurting anyone, and these people have far more to their identity than their sexual preference.
This world would be a whole lot better place with a little tolerance shown to one another, I always thought that was one of the things that Jesus tried to teach us through his many examples of sacrifice and forgiveness. I guess I try to live my life where I save my contempt for those who deserve it, such as child molesters, violent criminals, lying politicians or able body people who park in handicap spaces. It may not work for everyone, but it is easier to live my life without having to be in constant judgement of others…