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This whole thread reminds me of a quote my buddy used to blurt out at the most inappropriate times - “I’m not GAY, HE was sucking MY d***!”
Honestly, I'm gay friendly - because being anything but doesn't make sense to me. I am also a Catholic Republican - who thinks social conservatism is ruining the party. I used to be like Spff - without the religious ferver - then one day I asked myself what was wrong with gay people? Absolutely nothing (uppity dykes can get annoying though). I like most gay people I meet - they are usually the funniest bastards in the room. My father in law is gay, and you would never be able to tell if you met him. He acts like anyonelse that has served multiple times in Vietnam as infantry (a little bit crazy, and scary as hell).Spiff, I've got some questions for you.
How do you know if you are around a gay person? Would an attractive lesbian talking about the weather creeping you out? Is it just the thought of two guys getting it on that that creeps you out? Do you remember when you made the choice to be sexually attracted to women? Or did it just happen without you making the effort? God is perfect. We know that he chooses for some people to be retarded. We know that he allows tragedies to happen, etc. We don't know why he does what he does. With that being the case, why can't we accept the fact that he chose to make someone gay? It doesn't have to make sense to us. I didn't choose to be straight. It's just the way that I'm wired. Nobody is going to choose to be sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. Like you, and many straight people, the thought of two guys together creeps me out; thus I don't think about it. However, I have no issue with gays. I firmly believe that it isn't a choice to be gay. Sure, acting upon it is a choice, but the act of being gay is not a choice. What creeps me out is feminine guys. I can't stand being around them regardless of their sexual orientation. Could you force yourself to be attracted to a guy? If the answer is "no", why do you think that that a gay guy is choosing that for himself?I don’t mind the feminine ones either. One thing that I always find funny is how absolutely BAFFLED about vaginas they are - even more clueless than the average straight guy.
I’ve come to the conclusion there are a bunch of closet fags hiding behind their religion on this thread. No wonder you queers were offended by a gay joke or two. Must have really hit home.
I let god judge people.
The bible is a rag by the way. Any educated Christian knows its not the word of god.
My kids play a game called telephone at school, its where one person starts and whispers something in someone's ear and the message is passed from person to person. The joke is how convoluted the message becomes by the time it gets to the last person. I think of the bible the same way.
Disclaimer: I consider myself a believer in a higher faith and Jesus was the manWhat I am saying is the act of gay sex is a sin, so is premarital sex, so is lusting after hot tellers, so is cheating on your spouse. I am uncomfortable around a guy I work with who frequently cheats on his wife. I am also uncomfortable with having my 5 year old son spend the night at the home of a gay couple. All sins are equal and God will choose the punishment.[quote=Ron 14] … Being gay is a sin. [/quote] [quote=Ron 14]So is lusting after the hot teller that just walked by.[/quote]
Ya see … I’m pretty sure I know my Ten Commandments. Let’s see … which one of these two things is not like the other? If you’re going to suggest that all the things decried or scorned in the Old Testament are sins, then it’s time to give up bacon for breakfast and consider slavery a good idea.
Admitting you are uncomfortable around gays is no crime - heck, I find clowns frightening. Suggesting that they deserve to be punished for their sins, well, now you’re in a whole other world. [EDIT= I mean suggesting that punishing clowns for their crimes, naturally. No one in their right mind would punish gays for their sins.]
What I am saying is the act of gay sex is a sin, so is premarital sex, so is lusting after hot tellers, so is cheating on your spouse. I am uncomfortable around a guy I work with who frequently cheats on his wife. I am also uncomfortable with having my 5 year old son spend the night at the home of a gay couple. All sins are equal and God will choose the punishment. [/quote] Bearing false witness and killing are the same? That's the stuff I never understood with the bible.[quote=LockEDJ][quote=Ron 14] … Being gay is a sin. [/quote] [quote=Ron 14]So is lusting after the hot teller that just walked by.[/quote]
Ya see … I’m pretty sure I know my Ten Commandments. Let’s see … which one of these two things is not like the other? If you’re going to suggest that all the things decried or scorned in the Old Testament are sins, then it’s time to give up bacon for breakfast and consider slavery a good idea.
Admitting you are uncomfortable around gays is no crime - heck, I find clowns frightening. Suggesting that they deserve to be punished for their sins, well, now you’re in a whole other world. [EDIT= I mean suggesting that punishing clowns for their crimes, naturally. No one in their right mind would punish gays for their sins.]
Ron14, all sins are equal?? I sure hope that the fact that I want to bang the hot teller, but would never act on that feeling isn’t equivalent to a serial rapist of 2 year olds.
Would you stop your son from hanging out at houses that have gay parents?It doesn’t seem fair to me either, believe me, but the Bible puts it that way. It may be an interpretation that has been phrased the wrong way by the writers, but who am I to make that decision. It would make sense for the Bible to say that to prevent what we are doing right now, trying to judge what is worse, when we aren’t the judge.
Ron, let's assume that you believe that the Bible is God's words and not an interpretation of God's words. Even after making that assumption, we're still in a position of trying to interpret God's words from the Bible. I know that biblical scholars come to conclusions about lots of things, but since none of them have spoken to God, we can't trust any interpretations even if it is God's words. In short, how do we know that God believes that all sins are equal? What does God say about this and if he doesn't specifically say that, how do we know that the interpretation is correct? I can't believe that all sins are equal. As long as someone is still alive, we are the judge. You avoided the question about your son going to the house that had gay parents.It doesn’t seem fair to me either, believe me, but the Bible puts it that way. It may be an interpretation that has been phrased the wrong way by the writers, but who am I to make that decision. It would make sense for the Bible to say that to prevent what we are doing right now, trying to judge what is worse, when we aren’t the judge.
[quote=Ron 14]
Thus avoiding my point completely.
Nonetheless, Merry Christmas Ron.
PS - I agree, God will decide on the punishment, which is why all sins are in fact equal. Others equate the equality of the sin to mean that the punishment will be equal. False.
[quote=LockEDJ] [quote=Ron 14]
Thus avoiding my point completely.
Nonetheless, Merry Christmas Ron.
PS - I agree, God will decide on the punishment, which is why all sins are in fact equal. Others equate the equality of the sin to mean that the punishment will be equal. False. [/quote] I'm trying to understand this. If all sins are equal simply because God will decide the punishment, isn't that the same as saying that all crimes are equal because a judge will decide the punishment?
[quote=LockEDJ] [quote=Ron 14]
Thus avoiding my point completely.
Nonetheless, Merry Christmas Ron.
PS - I agree, God will decide on the punishment, which is why all sins are in fact equal. Others equate the equality of the sin to mean that the punishment will be equal. False. [/quote]
So, your loving, all knowing god punish’s people?
Why does this “god” refuse to let us know what his rules are? Why has he not appeared in 2000 years to help lead man into the light?
God is dead
I’m beginning to wonder if there are gays in this thread attacking religion as outdated and homosexuality as “normal” so that they can clear the way to recruit more weak-minded
people who are undecided to be gay.
[quote=iceco1d] Seriously guys? This is our holiday discussion? How about Merry Christmas, or Happy Holidays, or Happy New Year, or whatever you celebrate this time of year. Best of luck to everyone for a great 2010. Have a safe and happy end of the year, and enjoy your friends & families.
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Go sell a 529 plan. You have nothing 2 add.
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I’m not a raging religious person. In fact, I beleive organized religion is just a way for man to control man. It’s also the largest and most profitable business in the entire world. The one thing I do have to comment on is that although I am not a bible beater, Gayness is in fact a choice. It’s is not in our DNA or in our heterogenic makeup to have sexual tendencies towards the same sex. It is a learned behavior. Most gay people would not even think about wanting to act on homosexual activities if it weren’t for friends who were gay, or hanging out in places that it is accepted. 90% of the time drugs are also involved in those homo sexual activities. Now i don’t have a problem at all with gay people and have a few friends with a limp wrist, but i would in fact not let my child be around a gay family. That is my choice, not a religious choice, but a choice that I made because of my studies in college. Just like you chose to believe in a fictitious book written by man, then beleive it when he says “God said to give 10% of your money to the church”. Sounds like a scam if you ask me.
Ask anyone with a psychology degree about homosexuality. It is a learned behavior and not genetic. It’s similar to alcoholism and divorce. It is not a genetic gene, but it’s a learned behavior. if you have worked with any DHS children you will see that there are alot of gay children in state custody (anywhere from 7 years old to 18, it will blow your mind to see these children act this way) and almost always it’s because their parents were homosexual.
Hope everyone has a great holiday…Hope 2010 rocks for everyone…
[quote=Ronnie Dobbs]
Ask anyone with a psychology degree about homosexuality. It is a learned behavior and not genetic. It’s similar to alcoholism and divorce. It is not a genetic gene, but it’s a learned behavior. if you have worked with any DHS children you will see that there are alot of gay children in state custody (anywhere from 7 years old to 18, it will blow your mind to see these children act this way) and almost always it’s because their parents were homosexual.
Hope everyone has a great holiday…Hope 2010 rocks for everyone…[/quote]
Just asked the woman sitting to my right, who has a PhD in Psychology. She said your statement that it’s a learned activity is VERY debatable. She said your statements about kids bring gay because they have homosexual parents is down right stupid.
Merry Christmas Retard
I don’t have the energy and I don’t feel the need to continue this debate.
Merry Christmas and I wish all of you nothing but the best in the coming year !