Sarah Palin ... our national joke
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[quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/
The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]
Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.
Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?
There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage).
[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/
The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]
Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.
Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?
There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage). [/quote]
Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?
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[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/
The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]
Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.
Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?
There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage). [/quote]Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?[/quote]
I was talking about the fisherman article.
Is this fisherman, who just “got into” politics 2 years ago, also the current alaskan governor?
[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/
The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected. [/quote]
Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.
Giving Palin credit because "Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich." I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?
There's more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage). [/quote] Sure, there's some hyperbole in the example you gave and I'm not saying that everything in that blog needs to be accepted as gospel. It's just some perspective from a constituent. There is also a lot of verifiable truth in that blog. She's not the Messiah, but I still believe that she's far from our national joke.
He didn’t say he had been in politics for two years just that:
"I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year."
I don’t think he’s the governor.
I read this ... the whole "experience" gig, in various posts. How exactly is that relevant? Does it make the governor of NY, CA or TX best qualified to be the president? Does being a Senator disqualify you? Was Jimmy Carter a great president ... after all those terms leading Georgia? Here's a couple of other heads of state with limited experience in ruling: George Washington (OK ... he was a military leader. Not exactly the same thing). John F. Kennedy. Abe Lincoln. Woodrow Wilson. Any of them not worth having? What distinguishes them all is the capacity to lead, to rise above the petty politics of their times and give a new direction to the country. Being a great governor or having prodigious experience doesn't eliminate leaders (FDR), but it not required. As a thinking Christian and a conservative, I'm not enamored with Barack Obama's policies. But I appreciate the inherent honesty in his capacity to take unpopular stances in this world and realize he has the ability to become one of the great leaders in our history. Regardless of how much time he's spent in legislative halls, in one way or the other.Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?
I read this ... the whole "experience" gig, in various posts. How exactly is that relevant? Does it make the governor of NY, CA or TX best qualified to be the president? Does being a Senator disqualify you? Was Jimmy Carter a great president ... after all those terms leading Georgia? Here's a couple of other heads of state with limited experience in ruling: George Washington (OK ... he was a military leader. Not exactly the same thing). John F. Kennedy. Abe Lincoln. Woodrow Wilson. Any of them not worth having? What distinguishes them all is the capacity to lead, to rise above the petty politics of their times and give a new direction to the country. Being a great governor or having prodigious experience doesn't eliminate leaders (FDR), but it not required. As a thinking Christian and a conservative, I'm not enamored with Barack Obama's policies. But I appreciate the inherent honesty in his capacity to take unpopular stances in this world and realize he has the ability to become one of the great leaders in our history. Regardless of how much time he's spent in legislative halls, in one way or the other.[/quote] I'll give you Abe Lincoln, and maybe JFK (he gets alot of mileage out of the whole martyr thing), but Woodrow Wilson???? Are you on crack?[quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?
To me, Wilsonianism is the very essence of our country’s international behavior. Whether or not you agree with the protection/establishment of democracy as the sole justification for our involvement outside our borders, you cannot argue that this was in fact his own concept and his leadership brought the direction to the country.
His presidency - both for it’s domestic as well as foreign policies - established entirely new directions for the country and largely based on his own leadership and beliefs. Obviously his policies regarding the treatment of minorities, his failure to get the League of Nations passed and the establishment of a progressive tax system detract from his legacy. But even there, you can argue that he *got equal pay for blacks in the army, *helped to establish the League and within the structure of 14 Points established the basis for Armistice, and *never could have envisioned what has become of the IRS.
[quote=LockEDJ] To me, Wilsonianism is the very essence of our country’s international behavior. Whether or not you agree with the protection/establishment of democracy as the sole justification for our involvement outside our borders, you cannot argue that this was in fact his own concept and his leadership brought the direction to the country.
His presidency - both for it’s domestic as well as foreign policies - established entirely new directions for the country and largely based on his own leadership and beliefs. Obviously his policies regarding the treatment of minorities, his failure to get the League of Nations passed and the establishment of a progressive tax system detract from his legacy. But even there, you can argue that he *got equal pay for blacks in the army, *helped to establish the League and within the structure of 14 Points established the basis for Armistice, and *never could have envisioned what has become of the IRS.
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Lock - I agree with protection/establishment of democracy in theory. However, I believe the process is perverted by our political flaws.
You know, Country Q has lots of copper mines - so, Ajax Mining Company spends millions lobbying to “spread democracy” in Country Q.
I’m not saying what we do is not also honorable - but, at moments, the motivations become questionable.
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joel - I believe the fact that JFK was a martyr is what put us on the moon before the end of the decade.
The world has learned you never assassinate a charismatic young leader - it only emboldens their followers to fulfill their dream. Look at JFK, Lincoln, Che’, Sadat, Rabin, Martin Luther King and Tupac.
I read this ... the whole "experience" gig, in various posts. How exactly is that relevant? Does it make the governor of NY, CA or TX best qualified to be the president? Does being a Senator disqualify you? Was Jimmy Carter a great president ... after all those terms leading Georgia? Here's a couple of other heads of state with limited experience in ruling: George Washington (OK ... he was a military leader. Not exactly the same thing). John F. Kennedy. Abe Lincoln. Woodrow Wilson. Any of them not worth having? What distinguishes them all is the capacity to lead, to rise above the petty politics of their times and give a new direction to the country. Being a great governor or having prodigious experience doesn't eliminate leaders (FDR), but it not required. As a thinking Christian and a conservative, I'm not enamored with Barack Obama's policies. But I appreciate the inherent honesty in his capacity to take unpopular stances in this world and realize he has the ability to become one of the great leaders in our history. Regardless of how much time he's spent in legislative halls, in one way or the other.[/quote][quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?
Are you serious? Unpopular stances? GWB took unpopular stances and all everybody does is criticize him for it.
Obama is all about public opinion. I don't blame him. Who wants to go through what Bush went through?
Obama is all about public opinion. I don’t blame him. Who wants to go through what Bush went through?
Obama is afraid of public opinion. He doesn't want any person in the world, except Americans, to be upset with him.
[quote=Moraen]
[quote=LockEDJ][quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?[/quote]
Here’s a couple of other heads of state with limited experience in ruling: George Washington (OK … he was a military leader. Not exactly the same thing). John F. Kennedy. Abe Lincoln. Woodrow Wilson. Any of them not worth having?
What distinguishes them all is the capacity to lead, to rise above the petty politics of their times and give a new direction to the country. Being a great governor or having prodigious experience doesn’t eliminate leaders (FDR), but it not required.
As a thinking Christian and a conservative, I’m not enamored with Barack Obama’s policies. But I appreciate the inherent honesty in his capacity to take unpopular stances in this world and realize he has the ability to become one of the great leaders in our history.
Regardless of how much time he’s spent in legislative halls, in one way or the other.[/quote]Are you serious? Unpopular stances? GWB took unpopular stances and all everybody does is criticize him for it.Obama is all about public opinion. I don’t blame him. Who wants to go through what Bush went through?[/quote]
Help me out here…When did Bush ever take an unpopular stance?
Sure, the Iraq war BECAME unpopular; but I believe that was more due to a failure of leadership than him taking an unpopular stance as a leadership decision.
People lost patience with him…and he became one of the most unpopular presidents ever. But, I don’t believe he ever took an unpopular stance.
SS private accounts
Iraq War was unpopular before
It was also unpopular after, he stuck to his guns
NCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)
Immigration
Stem cells (only popular with Christians)
Global Warming
What unpopular stances has Barack taken?
[quote=Moraen] SS private accountsIraq War was unpopular beforeIt was also unpopular after, he stuck to his gunsNCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)ImmigrationStem cells (only popular with Christians)Global WarmingWhat unpopular stances has Barack taken?
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Nationalized Healthcare is quite unpopular - Democrats lost a senate seat in Mass. and a governorship in NJ because of it!!!
I live in the NYC area, so it’s really hard for me to gauge how Bush’s programs play in other parts of the country. People around here weren’t happy with anything Bush did. Just like Conrad said, I live in a bubble.
I guess I always saw Bush as playing to his base.
[quote=Lawrence][quote=Moraen] SS private accountsIraq War was unpopular beforeIt was also unpopular after, he stuck to his gunsNCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)ImmigrationStem cells (only popular with Christians)Global WarmingWhat unpopular stances has Barack taken?
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Nationalized Healthcare is quite unpopular - Democrats lost a senate seat in Mass. and a governorship in NJ because of it!!!
I live in the NYC area, so it’s really hard for me to gauge how Bush’s programs play in other parts of the country. People around here weren’t happy with anything Bush did. Just like Conrad said, I live in a bubble.
I guess I always saw Bush as playing to his base.
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Healthcare was popular until the Tea party and town halls got a hold of it.