PIRA(provisional Irish Republican Army)
CIRA(Continuity Irish Republican Army)
RIRA(Real Irish Republican Army)
INLA(Irish National Liberation Army)
Fianna na hEireann
IPLO(Irish People’s Liberation Organisation)
Saor Eire
UDA(Ulster Defence Army)
UVF(Ulster Volunteer Force)
UFF(Ulster Freedom Fighters)
Red Hand Defenders
Red Hand Commandos
LVF(Loyalist Volunteer Force)
Orange Volunteers

I voted for Bush both times, then I voted for Obama.  I can’t stand Palin.

Palin is hot. That’s about it.



First of all, I don’t vote except in local elections. Your vote doesn’t count.



I meant the recession in 2000. You can blame that on a guy who was in office for two months?



The root cause of the financial crisis was the loosening of credit restrictions. Too many people were “owning the American Dream”. Way too many. These policies were enacted by the Clinton Administration with a Republican Congress. Both parties complicit. You cannot lay the blame for that at Bush’s feet.



As for me being a foreign policy expert - you are correct. I am, however a security expert. Before I was in this business, I was board certified in Security Management (CPP). In addition, most of my friends are foreign policy experts, either attending the Naval war college, or CGSC, completing Master’s and Ph.D’s in foreign affairs, low impact operations and international relations. I have helped them edit their theses and dissertations.



While I don’t speak for the entire military, I can argue that those I encounter (80% of my clients are military or related to military) are pro-Bush. And bear him no ill will and in fact supported most of his policies. These people range in rank from E-4 to O-8 (Specialist to Major General). They are logisticians, infantry, chemical corps, artillery (yes Army, I took one of your peeps).



On this subject I KNOW what I’m talking about.



In addition, the man is a terrorist, because he enacted an event of terror (whether he is a member of al Qaeda - I don’t know). The simple fact of the matter is that he was a Muslim and a terrorist, therefore he was a Muslim terrorist. He shouted “Allah Akbar” (God is great) before he went on his rampage. To think that there isn’t a connection between him being a Muslim and what he did is naive at best and irresponsible at worst.

The IRA are freedom fighters, they attack their occupiers.

Hah!  I believed that at one point too.

HKA - You think someone who spent a year arresting terrorists crossing the borders doesn’t know anything about policies? You don’t think someone who spent a year sleeping literally 2 inches from soldiers EVERY day doesn’t know what’s on that persons mind or what they think?



It’s simple statistics. While I would not go as far as to say the five people in our company who were anti-Bush are outliers, I will say they are obviously in the clear minority.



We have seen over 2 million troops cycle through the various deployment zones in the last eight years. That’s approximately 100,000 people who are anti-Bush. I would even go as high as 300,000, since infantry units are mostly white males.



Do you know how these people think? Have you ever spoken to a native Afghani or Iraqi or Syrian or Iranian (interestingly enough, Iran is the closest to Western thought).



An Iraqi thinks that it is wrong to sleep with a woman before you are married, but it’s ok to f*ck a goat. An Afghani thinks both are wrong (won’t stop some of them), but it is ok to bang little boys.



Also, common knowledge is that Muslim countries abhor pornography. Don’t bring it, they say. You’ll piss these people off. What is the first thing you see when you are on a major road in these countries? Little boys selling porn DVDs of chicks giving dogs blowjobs. Kids!



What you hear on the news and what you hear from Harvard grads and Princeton grads and pundits who have “researched” these areas is crap. You have to be there. If not, you don’t know what you are talking about.

I also don’t think we need to be burning mosques, but there is nothing wrong with profiling them.



I have olive skin and could be mistaken for Middle Eastern. I have been searched at the airports more times than I can count. Even when coming back from deployment on leave and going BACK to Iraq after that. Do you know how galling that is?



But it’s necessary. And if it were up to me, I wouldn’t be “randomly” searched. I’d be the guy they pull out of line every time. I’d be the guy that they alert the FBI for if I buy fertilizer or a freakin’ bow and arrow. They should profile me.



You do that, and you keep this country safe. You don’t, and you treat everybody the same, and you get what happened yesterday.

I remember the 'nam … that shyt was crazy.

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Have you every read the Korean?

Islam forbids conversion by the sword of people of the Book (Judaism and Christian).

Islam holds Moses and Jesus as prophets. Islam believes that Jesus was born to a virgin. Jew’s Christian and Muslims all worship the same God.

Islam is not the problem; it is the fundamentalist that are the problem. I do not care if they are Christian, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or whom ever they worship it is fundamentalist that are the problem.

Officials: Fort Hood shootings suspect alive; 12 dead - CNN.com Since September 11th, we had no attacks while Bush was in office. I will reserve a little judgement, but since Barack has taken office, and we’ve apologized to the world, look what happens. Not only on our soil, but on our military base?

Just because he has a Muslim name doesn’t mean he was Al Qaeda. But it is just a little bit coincidental.

Its not a question as to whether or not Volt has read the Korean, its have these terrorists ?

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Jew’s Christian and Muslims all worship the same God. 

[quote=Moraen]HKA - You think someone who spent a year arresting terrorists crossing the borders doesn’t know anything about policies? You don’t think someone who spent a year sleeping literally 2 inches from soldiers EVERY day doesn’t know what’s on that persons mind or what they think?

It’s simple statistics. While I would not go as far as to say the five people in our company who were anti-Bush are outliers, I will say they are obviously in the clear minority.

We have seen over 2 million troops cycle through the various deployment zones in the last eight years. That’s approximately 100,000 people who are anti-Bush. I would even go as high as 300,000, since infantry units are mostly white males.

Do you know how these people think? Have you ever spoken to a native Afghani or Iraqi or Syrian or Iranian (interestingly enough, Iran is the closest to Western thought).

An Iraqi thinks that it is wrong to sleep with a woman before you are married, but it’s ok to f*ck a goat.

Terrorism- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

HKA - You think someone who spent a year arresting terrorists crossing the borders doesn’t know anything about policies? I never said you don’t know anything about policies…just said you can’t speak for all soldiers.  You don’t think someone who spent a year sleeping literally 2 inches from soldiers EVERY day doesn’t know what’s on that persons mind or what they think?

It’s simple statistics. While I would not go as far as to say the five people in our company who were anti-Bush are outliers, I will say they are obviously in the clear minority.

We have seen over 2 million troops cycle through the various deployment zones in the last eight years. That’s approximately 100,000 people who are anti-Bush. I would even go as high as 300,000, since infantry units are mostly white males.

Do you know how these people think? Have you ever spoken to a native Afghani or Iraqi or Syrian or Iranian (interestingly enough, Iran is the closest to Western thought).  yes, many times, however, you still don’t always know how they think.

An Iraqi thinks that it is wrong to sleep with a woman before you are married, but it’s ok to f*ck a goat. An Afghani thinks both are wrong (won’t stop some of them), but it is ok to bang little boys.

Also, common knowledge is that Muslim countries abhor pornography. Don’t bring it, they say. You’ll piss these people off. What is the first thing you see when you are on a major road in these countries? Little boys selling porn DVDs of chicks giving dogs blowjobs. Kids!

What you hear on the news and what you hear from Harvard grads and Princeton grads and pundits who have “researched” these areas is crap. You have to be there. If not, you don’t know what you are talking about.

Palin is hot. That’s about it. true

First of all, I don’t vote except in local elections. Your vote doesn’t count.  agreed

I meant the recession in 2000. You can blame that on a guy who was in office for two months? but you can blame the guy who was in office for the next 8 years for making it worse as opposed to cleaning it up!

The root cause of the financial crisis was the loosening of credit restrictions. Too many people were “owning the American Dream”. Way too many. These policies were enacted by the Clinton Administration with a Republican Congress. Both parties complicit. You cannot lay the blame for that at Bush’s feet.  see above

As for me being a foreign policy expert - you are correct. I am, however a security expert. Before I was in this business, I was board certified in Security Management (CPP). In addition, most of my friends are foreign policy experts, either attending the Naval war college, or CGSC, completing Master’s and Ph.D’s in foreign affairs, low impact operations and international relations. I have helped them edit their theses and dissertations.

While I don’t speak for the entire military, I can argue that those I encounter (80% of my clients are military or related to military) are pro-Bush. And bear him no ill will and in fact supported most of his policies. These people range in rank from E-4 to O-8 (Specialist to Major General). They are logisticians, infantry, chemical corps, artillery (yes Army, I took one of your peeps).

On this subject I KNOW what I’m talking about.

In addition, the man is a terrorist, because he enacted an event of terror (whether he is a member of al Qaeda - I don’t know). The simple fact of the matter is that he was a Muslim and a terrorist, therefore he was a Muslim terrorist. He shouted “Allah Akbar” (God is great) before he went on his rampage. To think that there isn’t a connection between him being a Muslim and what he did is naive at best and irresponsible at worst.  ok…then why didn’t we attack the Saudi’s as well…their top terrorists, OBL included are Saudi?

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Voltmoie:<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Have you every read the Korean?

Islam forbids conversion by the sword of people of the Book (Judaism and Christian).

Islam holds Moses and Jesus as prophets. Islam believes that Jesus was born to a virgin. Jew’s Christian and Muslims all worship the same God.

Islam is not the problem; it is the fundamentalist that are the problem. I do not care if they are Christian, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or whom ever they worship it is fundamentalist that are the problem.

Agree about spirited debate.  You are a good man, HKA.

We didn’t attack the Saudi’s because their GOVERNMENT has not sponsored terror.  The King there is the most liberal Muslim in the world.  He commutes sentences for women for crying out loud. 

The Taliban - corrupt regime that took away women’s rights and sponsored terrorism (bin Laden)

Saddam Hussein - despot who has killed his own people and was anti-American.  attempted to assassinate an  ex-president.  He had terrorist training camps (not alQaeda), but may have been willing to sell WMD’s to al Qaeda.  Before anybody says anything like, “there were no WMDs”.  In fact, there were.  As a matter of fact, three weeks in country, in the mountains West of Baghdad, about twenty miles out of town of 300 Iraqis named Mandali, my unit came upon a huge cache of mustard gas mortar shells.  Who knows what else was out there?

Let me tell you something.  I despise Jimmy Carter as a person and as  President.  But since he never betrayed this country (that I now of), I honor him (and Obama) as the President and representative of my country.  If someone attempted to assassinate him, I would move Heaven and Earth to teach them a lesson.

Now, Bush had the added responsibility that it was his dad.  But, whatever.

Anyway, just because someone is a Saudi national, doesn’t mean you attack the Saudi government (fyi - bin Laden hates the Saudi government - you don’t invade an ally.  That’s why we haven’t invaded Pakistan).

Technically, the three religions do worship the same God.  But you can’t really call them the same God since the preception of “God” varies greatly between the religions on key issues and attitudes.

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Volt:

I am not wrong about the three monotheistic religions worshiping the same God. Islam believes that Jesus was a prophet. Islam believes that Moses was a prophet. I have read the religious text of all the major religions in the world.

President Bush believes that Muslims and Christian worship the same God.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1&page=1

Pope Benedict says that Muslims and Christian worship that same God.

http://civicsnews.blogspot.com/2009/05/pope-speech-muslims-christians-worship.html