Safer now that "W" is gone
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[quote=Hey Kool-Aid]
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job. I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is! We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely. Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon! I could go on, but it gets me too fired up. Just my .02[/quote] Seriously? What part of Socialism, Marxism, corruption, and the massive wave of debt and higher taxes headed our way is the jury still out on? How does an intelligent person in this country NOT see what is happening here with this administration? If could have their way, they would have controlled what kind of breakfast cereal you got to eat this morning. If for no other reason that they believe you're not smart enough to make the right choice between Raisin Bran and Cocoa Puffs.Tell me that you are just being sarcastic....please....W was loved by the military (from what I have witnessed), I also thought he was very smart. The ability to read a speech off a teleprompter does not equal intelligence to me.
Bush’s biggest failing to me was he was loyal to a fault. He kept people around him that gave him bad advice too long. Also, his lack of vetos drove me nuts.
Bush was pretty smart. UPT is difficult enough. Not only does it require a lot of studying, but there is a TON of high pressure situations known as “wing standup” EVERY DAY. Forget Harvard and Yale. That junk is tough.
Being articulate does not equate to intelligence. Creflo Dollar is articulate. So is Tom Cruise.
Well saidMorean - sorry for your loss. As for Bush, I think history will show he was a lot better President than he is currently given credit for. Whether you voted for or against him, he did not govern based on polling or for acceptance from foreign leaders. For the most part, he knew who his friends were and who were wolves in sheeps clothing. He was not afraid to make a decision and was a decisive leader and had the best interest of the USA at heart even at the cost of his own political capital. In my opinion, he was the best man for the time period he was President.
This thread is tongue in cheek right? you guys aren’t being serious?
A mentally ill man, who happens to be muslim goes beserk and its terrorism? Wouldn't have happened under Bush's watch? Bush was a good president? Since you guys brought it up, speaking about not following up on info, wasn't it the bush admin that had dropped that ball? They had demoted their top terrorism expert to the "C" list. That meant the guy who met with Clinton weekly and the head of the FBI and CIA almost daily couldn't even get in to see Bush's closest advisor, Rice. Ironically, a few days after 9/11 a report from said expert dated a month before the attacks, warning of an attack, surfaces in the media. The Bush admin goes into high gear to spin the value of the report but what is made obvious by the lack of any minutes of meetings or action on the admins part is that they had never read the report. Then there's this: An Arab woman gave money to an Arab organization, said money finding its way to the bank accounts of the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI dropped its investigation of this woman. The questions still linger-why was she not prosecuted? The answer is equally obvious. Her name is Princess Haifa. She is married to Saudi Prince Bandar. The very same Prince badar who bailed out the Bush's family business, Harken Energy. The same Prince Bandar who who funded Bush's Caryle Energy. Close friends to the Bush family don't get the CIA waterboarding treatment no matter how many americans their money kill. We can play the blame game on both sides.[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=Hey Kool-Aid]
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job. I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is! We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely. Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon! I could go on, but it gets me too fired up. Just my .02[/quote] Seriously? What part of Socialism, Marxism, corruption, and the massive wave of debt and higher taxes headed our way is the jury still out on? How does an intelligent person in this country NOT see what is happening here with this administration? If could have their way, they would have controlled what kind of breakfast cereal you got to eat this morning. If for no other reason that they believe you're not smart enough to make the right choice between Raisin Bran and Cocoa Puffs. [/quote] Most of the responses to my other post on this thread were comparing "W" with Obama...I never said I was a staunch Obama fan either...just that I think it's funny how Republicans gave Bush 8 years...and as bad as he screwed things up, both economically and Foreign Policy wise, they are willing to give him a pass...while Obama hasn't been here a year and they are ready to hang him. This is what I hate most about politics (and why I didn't vote for many years)....The Reps feel that everything their candidate does/says is right and everything the Dems say/do is wrong and will ruin the world....and the Dems think everything they do/say is right and whatever the Reps do will ruin the world...I think it's time for a multi-party system, because this one is becoming a joke! and Spiff....Do you think we got into this mess because of Obama/Democrats...too much govt??? The Republicans had the white house for the past 8 years...but of course they are going to say it went back to Clinton...who will say...it all started with Reagan....personally, George Washington fcuked up the whole think if you ask me!Spiff - If you wanna talk corruption let’s discuss Oil and Halliburton or why we invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia where the majority of Al Queda hail from!
[quote=BondGuy]This thread is tongue in cheek right? you guys aren’t being serious?
A mentally ill man, who happens to be muslim goes beserk and its terrorism? Wouldn't have happened under Bush's watch? Bush was a good president? Since you guys brought it up, speaking about not following up on info, wasn't it the bush admin that had dropped that ball? They had demoted their top terrorism expert to the "C" list. That meant the guy who met with Clinton weekly and the head of the FBI and CIA almost daily couldn't even get in to see Bush's closest advisor, Rice. Ironically, a few days after 9/11 a report from said expert dated a month before the attacks, warning of an attack, surfaces in the media. The Bush admin goes into high gear to spin the value of the report but what is made obvious by the lack of any minutes of meetings or action on the admins part is that they had never read the report. Then there's this: An Arab woman gave money to an Arab organization, said money finding its way to the bank accounts of the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI dropped its investigation of this woman. The questions still linger-why was she not prosecuted? The answer is equally obvious. Her name is Princess Haifa. She is married to Saudi Prince Bandar. The very same Prince badar who bailed out the Bush's family business, Harken Energy. The same Prince Bandar who who funded Bush's Caryle Energy. Close friends to the Bush family don't get the CIA waterboarding treatment no matter how many americans their money kill. We can play the blame game on both sides. [/quote]Seriously BG? That's like blaming the recession on Bush too?
I'm disappointed that you take Michael Moore's movies so seriously.
Oh yes, and it of course is coincidental that he's Muslim and has been posting about homicide bombings and that it equates to throwing yourself on a grenade to save your buddies. Please.
One thing I know about, is the difference between cowardice and heroism.
Clinton should have taken care of bin Laden before he left office. Bush too. After the Cole though, Clinton could have done what was needed.
Bush would not likely have gotten approval for that. And you know it.
As for Iraq - I was there. Do you want to know WHY we hadn’t had any attacks here? Because they were all pouring in from Iran and Syria and other places trying to kill soldiers (you know, people who are trained to fight).
I agree, the Cole was a shot across our bow which Clinton ignored.
Bush was epic.
Let’s not forget about the Muslim who threw a grenade into the command tent in Kuwait. There’s a reason no one beneath the rank of E-6 was given grenades the entire time I was in Iraq.
Is it possible that ALL extremist Muslims are mentally ill?
Possible and probable.
Clinton also ignored the Embassy bombings and countless other attacks.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/ns/world_news-hunt_for_alqaida/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3618762.stm
Let me ask everybody something.
If you were thinking of going on a rampage or blowing someone up, and you knew that you might be tortured, be it waterboarding, electrodes on your nipples, etc., would you think twice?
Now, let’s assume the person who was letting the CIA torture you was no longer able to let that happen (in other words, Bush leaves office and Obama enters office) and says we are going to give you a fair trial in which you can be exonerated on a technicality.
My guess is, you would not think twice. Would you?
Morean was there and was fighting. You other chumps are getting your information from Michael Moore and Cable News. I will believe Morean and the others I have talked to who have fought for us.
[quote=Moraen]Let me ask everybody something.
If you were thinking of going on a rampage or blowing someone up, and you knew that you might be tortured, be it waterboarding, electrodes on your nipples, etc., would you think twice?
Now, let’s assume the person who was letting the CIA torture you was no longer able to let that happen (in other words, Bush leaves office and Obama enters office) and says we are going to give you a fair trial in which you can be exonerated on a technicality.
My guess is, you would not think twice. Would you?[/quote]
Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim? Or, is that one in the same to you? Because, unless i missed the terrorist connection, that’s how you are coming off. Before you go and burn down the local Mosque you need to take stock. Some of your rant is way off the hook.
You want to saddle me with Moore? Ok, the reason Moore gets his 15 minutes in the spotlight is because this crap really did happen. And, rather than openly, honestly answer questions like: Why was the investigation of Princess Haifa dropped?, the Bush admin chose to attack anyone who brought it up. So, the question remains, why wasn't she prosecuted? That she funded the terrorists isn't even a question, it's a fact. What's not proven is did she do it knowingly. Bush shut it down before the investigation got to that point. The question is: If the investigation would have exonerated haifa why not let it go to its only conclusion? Bush and Bandar are more than business partners, they are close friends. Bush shut it down. You do the math. Open your mind first. of course that the Bush admin didn't deal with the question honestly just pours gasoline on the whole thing. Why not tell us the truth? Because the truth is untellable! As for the terrorism expert, also fact. The Bush admin was very good at deflecting blame. So of course, it wasn't their fault that they never even bothered to read the report until after the attacks. None of this comes from Moore. Not that moore doesn't have something to say about it, he does. The point is, it's out there for any inquiring mind. On the economy do i blame Bush? The admins fingerprints are all over this. The combo of changed regs, and lack of oversight are leading contributors to the mess. Clinton's got his hand as well, but the fact is, when it comes to the government's roll, eight years was plenty of time to undo anything Clinton contributed. So, for the role of Government contribution to an economic meltdown, the evelope please, Geoge Bush is the Winner! Still, is Bush's admin to blame- only partly. They played a supporting role, not the staring role. Bush as a good president? Not by any stretch. They guy bungled everything he touched. To date, after being president of the Unite States for eight years his greatest personal achievement is getting a new stadium built for the Texas Rangers. That's a sad legacy.[quote=BondGuy]Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim?
[/quote] Can you point to a recent terrorist that was non-muslim other than the Uni-bomber and McVey?[quote=BondGuy]Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim? Or, is that one in the same to you? Because, unless i missed the terrorist connection, that’s how you are coming off. Before you go and burn down the local Mosque you need to take stock. Some of your rant is way off the hook.
You want to saddle me with Moore? Ok, the reason Moore gets his 15 minutes in the spotlight is because this crap really did happen. And, rather than openly, honestly answer questions like: Why was the investigation of Princess Haifa dropped?, the Bush admin chose to attack anyone who brought it up. So, the question remains, why wasn't she prosecuted? That she funded the terrorists isn't even a question, it's a fact. What's not proven is did she do it knowingly. Bush shut it down before the investigation got to that point. The question is: If the investigation would have exonerated haifa why not let it go to its only conclusion? Bush and Bandar are more than business partners, they are close friends. Bush shut it down. You do the math. Open your mind first. of course that the Bush admin didn't deal with the question honestly just pours gasoline on the whole thing. Why not tell us the truth? Because the truth is untellable! As for the terrorism expert, also fact. The Bush admin was very good at deflecting blame. So of course, it wasn't their fault that they never even bothered to read the report until after the attacks. None of this comes from Moore. Not that moore doesn't have something to say about it, he does. The point is, it's out there for any inquiring mind. On the economy do i blame Bush? The admins fingerprints are all over this. The combo of changed regs, and lack of oversight are leading contributors to the mess. Clinton's got his hand as well, but the fact is, when it comes to the government's roll, eight years was plenty of time to undo anything Clinton contributed. So, for the role of Government contribution to an economic meltdown, the evelope please, Geoge Bush is the Winner! Still, is Bush's admin to blame- only partly. They played a supporting role, not the staring role. Bush as a good president? Not by any stretch. They guy bungled everything he touched. To date, after being president of the Unite States for eight years his greatest personal achievement is getting a new stadium built for the Texas Rangers. That's a sad legacy. [/quote] Thank goodness for some sanity on this site...I was beginning to think I was in the bizarro world! Moraen, with all due respect, I appreciate your service to our country as well as all the other men and women that serve(d). However, just being there doesn't make you an expert on foreign policy or allow you to speak for all of the soldiers there. Thats like living in Harlem and never getting mugged and saying "this is the safest city in the U.S. because I have never been robbed. As a matter of fact, I would venture a guess that the folks over there no less about what is going on then we do back here, since the gov't wouldn't want to hurt morale with the "truth"...