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I didn’t say that Orton was more talented than Cutler, I asked if it was possible he fits McDaniels system better than Cutler. Favre is playing better than Cutler at this point. Speaking of surrounding casts, what amazing additions did Denver add? How is it they are playing so well after last seasons meltdown? Chicago added Cutler and looks like the same team they were with Orton, Denver added Orton and they are one of the top teams in the AFC.
Well Denver’s D went from bottom 5 to top 5, I would say that helps and has ZERO to do with Orton.
The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman who aren't playing well, which is obvious by how far down Forte's numbers are. Cutler is all they have on offense and he single handedly has kept them in every game. Bears would be 1-4 with Orton. Broncos would be 6-0. Look at Cutler's record in Denver when they gave up less than 21 pts, something like 20-2.I wonder if Denver cutting it’s offensive turnovers in half from last year helps? Or how about the 3 additional minutes a game they control the ball? At the end of the day, the Broncos are better this year minus one of their best players at the most important position, while Chicago is about the same as last year with an upgrade at the games most important position. Spin it how you like, just don’t tell me how great Cutler is until he makes a difference.
That isn’t spin. It is reality. Brian Dawkins helps. Mike Nolan helps. Healthy running backs help. Last year Denver went through 5 different starting RB’s. Matt Forte’s numbers are way down. The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman.
If it is all about the QB why are the Chiefs 1-5? Cassell was 11-5 last year. That is who McDaniel wanted. Did you find Cutler's record when the D didn't give up 21 ? Ill find it for you.I would like to know Cutler’s record when his team scores more than the other team as that is about as meaningful a stat. How about looking up his ints/gm in wins vs. losses.
Looked it up myself. 20 wins, 14 ints. 22 losses, 30 ints. I know I’ve heard something about turnovers and their relationship to winning.
I’ve watched football for a long time, and I’ll give the skinny on some of these guys in question:
Kyle Orton: Perfect for Denver's system. I think Cutler had every right to get pissed about the new coach coming in and trying to shuffle personnel around when he was already Pro Bowl caliber. Nevertheless, Orton is a "game manager", and Denvers offense is based around the QB taking what the defense gives him and making zero mistakes. That is exactly what Orton is. Jay Cutler: Gunslinger. Makes plays. Sees what lesser quarterbacks don't see. Will sometimes try to make a play that isn't there, and cost his team the possession. Reminds me of Favre from the 90's when the play broke down and he'd have the ability to scramble for 20 yards or tornado himself into the endzone like he did a couple weeks ago. We all saw what he was able to do last year when he had Royal and Marshall. He doesn't have 1/5 of the talent at receiver as he had last year, but he's still making people take notice of Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett. Matt Cassel: A Josh McDaniels-type quarterback. Give him a system, tell him to manage it, and sit back and bask in the glory. Look who is coach is now. Todd Haley. What was his role in Arizona? That offense was a gunslinging, run-and-shoot type offense where Warner throws the ball up for grabs and tells Boldin and Fitzgerald to jump up and grab it. COMPLETE opposite of what he did in New England, and what he would have done in Denver. The absolute wrong quarterback for Kansas City, and I cringed when I saw the signing go down.So Jeb, you are starting a team and you have to pick a QB first. Orton and Cutler are the only two choices. You Jeb are choosing Cutler. This is what you are saying ?
I give up. Orton and Favre are going to tie for the MVP Award, both lead their teams to 16-0 seasons, meet in the Super Bowl, throw for 7 TD’s each in the best Super Bowl ever, that is won by the team with the ball last. Orton and Favre are the most dominant QB’s in the league right now and the two best players in the NFL. Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Cutler, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, Palmer, Romo, Warner, McNabb, Hasselback- all just frauds.
[quote=Ron 14] That isn’t spin. It is reality. Brian Dawkins helps. Mike Nolan helps. Healthy running backs help. Last year Denver went through 5 different starting RB’s. Matt Forte’s numbers are way down. The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman.
If it is all about the QB why are the Chiefs 1-5? Cassell was 11-5 last year. That is who McDaniel wanted. Did you find Cutler’s record when the D didn’t give up 21 ? Ill find it for you. [/quote]
Because like Orton, Cassell is a system qb
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So Jeb, you are starting a team and you have to pick a QB first. Orton and Cutler are the only two choices. You Jeb are choosing Cutler. This is what you are saying ?
[/quote] You're funny. Instead of refuting a single point I have made, you have put words into my mouth. I would pick the best players regardless of position that fit into my system. I don't think anyone with a brain, including Josh McDaniels would say that Cassel was more mobile, had a better arm, or more experience than Cutler. McDaniels did however say (by his actions) that Cassel was a better fit for his system. Orton's play this year, in my opinion, is going a long way towards proving that thought. Cutler has far superior physical skills than P Manning, however I think most would agree that Manning is a superior QB. Cutler is the same in Chicago as he was at Denver, a QB that can do amazing things with a football, yet still has a record that leaves a lot to be desired.Well, actually I was clarifying your comments to make sure I was understanding you correctly. Also, I did refute every point you made by giving you Cutler’s excellent record when the Broncos held opponents under 21 pts and also the reason why the Bears have struggled. I now see your point.
2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!
Out of breath? You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred. Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake? Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play. The int hit Taylor in the hands. It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it. Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!
Out of breath? You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred. Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake? Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play. The int hit Taylor in the hands. It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it. Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).[/quote] I'd call both TO's Favre's fault. QB's need to have their heads on a swivel and not hold the ball too long, and the screen to Taylor was thrown too hard, and Taylor had barely turned his head around by the time the ball came. I put the most blame on Childress though. You have the greatest offensive machine in the game, yet he uses him 1/4th of the amount he should use him. Peterson had just gotten a 20+ yard reception. Why is he on the bench for the next 2 plays (Including the INT). He's a world class athlete who hadn't gotten 20 carries for the game to that point. He's not that winded. Keep your best player on the field. Also, what is Childress doing rushing to call a timeout with :04 left,down 10? Favre promptly got sacked and his throwing shoulder driven into the ground. Way to protect your $12 million investment, f***ing clown.[quote=Ron 14]2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!
You need to watch the game closer. The ball was not thrown too hard, and Taylor was looking right at it. A professional football player is expected to make that reception. As far as the strip, the defensive guys get paid too. I’m not saying Favre played a perfect game, just that neither of those plays were the result of a physical or mental mistake on Favre’s part.
Jeb - When you pump fake on every pass play eventually it is going to burn you and that is what happened on the strip. The screen pass interception was thrown to hard and over taylors head.
Childress sucks as a coach and these Favre lovers ripped on me for that also.[quote=Ron 14]Jeb - When you pump fake on every pass play eventually it is going to burn you and that is what happened on the strip. The screen pass interception was thrown to hard and over taylors head.
Childress sucks as a coach and these Favre lovers ripped on me for that also. [/quote] Finally something we can agree on, Childress is a clown. I'm starting to get worried about your Bears, they are approaching 21 points given up and according to you, Cutler cannot win those games.He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.
Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there.