My EDJ Experience

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Currently, I'm undergoing the interview process with EDJ and will hopefully net an offer and be on the journey towards success. I found this forum to be very useful in choosing the firm that I would like to work for. So I have taken it upon myself to document my EDJ journey.A little bit about my background:Fresh UCLA grad with a BA in economics4 financial internships, some sales/customer service experienceI choose EDJ because it seems to have the most comprehensive sales training program out there. In addition, many of the wealth management teams at wirehouses focus soley on financial/customer service training but not on the core skills needed to build a book.8/20* Completed online application8/25* Completed first phone screen - went over educational and work history mostly          Be sure to thoroughly read the financial advisor packet8/26* Phone interview          Went over educational/work history briefly          4-5 organizational questions          1. Name a time when you failed and how you succeeded from that time? etc           Answer any and all questions by:            1. Stating the situation           2. Stating the action you took           3. Stating the outcome8/31* Went in for a branch office visit. Everything went well. And HR says i'm moving                        forward as soon as my background check clears.9/02* Background check cleared           Scheduling F2F interview and committing to 25 surveys9/09* F2F interview          Went well, I could tell he was a big producer, 10 years in the business.          Lots and lots of behavioral questions and about 10 questions on the surveys          I snuck  peek at his recommendation and it said, "Good Candidate"          So I'm exceptionally excited          His mentality was different than HR's STAR approach, he liked short concise 1 line              answers. Luckily, I caught on, or I would have been roadkill. I guess its true with all           finance professionals.9/11* Got the letter stating that I didn't get the position. What to do now...Wow, on 9/11....If anyone has any tips or suggestions on how I can smoothly make it through the interview process. Please post!

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Check out indeed.com and their Edward Jones forum section.  Every step of the interview process is covered.  Should keep you busy for a few hours.

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If you have pulse and do the work ,you will be fine.

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voltmoie wrote:Check out indeed.com and their Edward Jones forum section.  Every step of the interview process is covered.  Should keep you busy for a few hours.
 
millionairemind wrote:If you have pulse and do the work ,you will be fine.
 
Although the site indeed.com helps as far as knowing what to expect in the interview process, I would say that reading it is very depressing. You will soon realize that millionairemind is right. We hire just about anyone, to the point where we are almost as bad as MSSB... its depressing.
 
 
With that said I wish you the best! Happy selling... *ahem*, advising!

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But yet, here you are.  Interesting.  Or is that ironic? 
 
 

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Yes but only because getting into Harvard was less of a challenge. I wasn't hating on Jones I was saying that I will take far more pride at making segment 5 one day than I will having gotten hired since the new guys include the likes of Still@ and MBA... just kidding guys

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It's amazing how many of these threads get started every month. In another month or 2, he'll be on here creating a thread called "I hate Jones, they don't know what they are doing" lol

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lol, after lurking on these forums, jones was one of the top choices. pwm divisions just aren't hiring and I simply do not have access to the familial cash to be successful as reqs have gone up. i'm going to make it in this biz as if its my last chance.

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I went into kyc 6 months ago with 64 people in my class...only 29 are left! I don't think you would get worse odds if you just hired everyone who showed up at your booth at the monster career fair. I think this is odd because there's many salespeople (who became authors, speakers, trainers, etc.) who talk about how it took them 6 months of struggling before they could figure out this sales game.

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Good Job coming to Jones! You made a good decision - now stick with it. Lots of folks make the mistake of bouncing around from firm to firm looking for greener pastures.... Don't make that mistake. Its not good for your or your clients. If you were at another quality firm, I'd say the same thing - but I'm glad you're with Jones. By the way... the "D" has been gone for a bit over a decade.... Good luck!

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NumbersGeek wrote: i'm going to make it in this biz as if its my last chance.
 
Sounds a lot like a friend of ours who has a Masters degree and turned that into a career as a financial advisor.  Hopefully you don't come back in 2 months telling us about the interview you just landed at the local newspaper selling subscriptions because they seem to have a better "culture" and a boss that makes sure your office is properly air conditioned.

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Hey N-Geek... I had the same attitude as you nearly two decades ago when I started in this business. It works - really well. Keep cranking it out... everyday. Pay no attention to the detractors...

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3rdyrp2 wrote:Sounds a lot like a friend of ours who has a Masters degree and turned that into a career as a financial advisor.  Hopefully you don't come back in 2 months telling us about the interview you just landed at the local newspaper selling subscriptions because they seem to have a better "culture" and a boss that makes sure your office is properly air conditioned.You forgot about the free lunches with the wholesalers...he gets free lunch...

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Still, you don't get the free lunches from the wholesalers remember. You get the free lunches downtown at the park.

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HAHA.... i loved the free lunches at Merrill when the wholesalers came in... One day it was Joe Terranova from Vitrus investments, the guy from cnbc's fast money.So much for being an unpaid intern in the middle of skyscraper $15 lunch hell. Those were my favorite days to come to work.

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Wish me luck!

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Good Luck!

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God this wait is killing me. I was told they would get back to me in  5-7 and 7-10 business days. After all my research on EDJ and reading the financial advisor guide 3 times and indeed forums nonstop..... It would feel like a total waste if I don't get the job. I'm just ready to kill it.... seriously... dk in the field and build a money trainChu Chu!

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=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?

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NumbersGeek wrote:
=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?
Think you have three options.1. move on2. get an EDJ vet or RL to stand up for you3. Apply at MSSB, they seem to be hiring ANYONE these days. Seriously.Good luck.

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Ronnie Dobbs wrote:Still, you don't get the free lunches from the wholesalers remember. You get the free lunches downtown at the park.clever

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NumbersGeek wrote:
=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?

How the hell did you not get hired?

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voltmoie wrote:
Ronnie Dobbs wrote:Still, you don't get the free lunches from the wholesalers remember. You get the free lunches downtown at the park.cleversh*t! I'm working!!!sorry to hear you didn't get the job numbers...

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NumbersGeek wrote:
=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?
Another Jones hater is born.You could try a headhunter.  They may coach you with interviewing.  You could always apply with bancofamericainvestmentsmerrilllynchpiercefenner&smith, inc.  I hear brokers are leaving that firm in droves. 

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Moraen wrote: NumbersGeek wrote:
=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?

How the hell did you not get hired?

I think EDJ is fairly selective; if the person will go along with their corporate philosophy. I talked to one rep and he was Jones this...Jones that, so I got the hint on what they were looking for.

Their JD Powers is a little misleading since they hire people like themselves. You don't see many disenfranchised Mormons since they are door knocking to find like minded people.

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I guess its back to grad school.... i'm not willing to get a job outside of finance.... and financial advisory is my last straw, the only sector actually hiring. But EDJ was the only firm I was willing to work for.Maybe after I get a PhD in finance, firms will say i'm qualified. Rofls!

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You didn't want it that bad then (to be an FA).

Everyone gets rejected. It is the person who is willing to do anything, to get in there and fight for it. Sometimes rejection leads to a better path.

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Moraen wrote: NumbersGeek wrote:
=/ got the letter.... No goShattered my dream on 9/11What to do differently?

How the hell did you not get hired? I have no idea. HR seemed to like me, the advisors signed off on good recommendations. I have a clean background so that should have passed. I'm going to try again.

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EDJ is the only firm your willing to work for?  And you're going to grad school to look better for them, I assume for the next time you interview with them?  You may want to have an open mind about other firms, EDJ certainly isn't the industry benchmark for financial planning/advising.

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3rdyrp2 wrote:EDJ is the only firm your willing to work for?  And you're going to grad school to look better for them, I assume for the next time you interview with them?  You may want to have an open mind about other firms, EDJ certainly isn't the industry benchmark for financial planning/advising.I meant out of the brokerage firms. The rest of em seem shady with their boiler room tactics, high monthly GDC requirements from the start and one place even said my first 3 months' of accounts would go to another advisor. The wirehouses don't hire newbs like me. So I looked around and found that EDJ had a good sales training program, requirements weren't like 5k GDC in month one or you're fired, and a lot of people on this board recommended it.I'm going to grad school to try to find a job. Once again. Not to make myself look better for EDJ. Maybe after a PhD in quantitative finance, i'll write an application for the people who chose not to hire me. RAWR! J/P. I'm going to try again.... before grad schoolSome people sent some e-mails recommending another route. And I thank them, I will try their recommendations and see where it goes. EDJ really, in my opinion, made a mistake on this one. I'm ready to kill it in the market. 2 unpaid financial advisory internships, 1 sales internship, and a market risk internship. As if that doesn't state how badly I want to make it in this business.

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Are you yankin' our chain?

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KensLoveChild wrote:Are you yankin' our chain?
HA! I wish I were! This is the only job that I have focused on in the last month. To be honest, I have never put this much effort into one position at one firm, ever.

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NumbersGeek wrote:

I guess its back to grad school.... i'm not willing to get a job outside of finance.... and financial advisory is my last straw, the only sector actually hiring. But EDJ was the only firm I was willing to work for.Maybe after I get a PhD in finance, firms will say i'm qualified. Rofls!

You will be overqualified at Jones. They won't hire you with Ph.D. in finance, as it will be easier for you to find a better job somewhere else.

Seriously, give up on Jones. Go back to grad school and do something different.

I still can't believe they didn't hire you.

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You're not telling us something.  After seeing the level of "talent" in my class they hire almost anyone.  Used car salesman, thugs, guys who used to work on tanks, ex-bankers, etc. etc.  ANYONE.  Either something is hitting on your background or your answered the questions like crap.
 
My VERY serious advice is apply at MSSB.  Look at all the tools they are hiring now. Anyone can get a job.

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voltmoie wrote:You're not telling us something.  After seeing the level of "talent" in my class they hire almost anyone.  Used car salesman, thugs, guys who used to work on tanks, ex-bankers, etc. etc.  ANYONE.  Either something is hitting on your background or your answered the questions like crap.
 
My VERY serious advice is apply at MSSB.  Look at all the tools they are hiring now. Anyone can get a job.Haha. I'll give it a shot and see where it goes.

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Hey Geek....don't feel bad...you had a better chance of getting into Harvard then to get hired by EDJ!
 
j/k Moraen   ...for those who thought I was being serious!

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Here to tell you, another piece of paper isn't going to get you hired at Jones. They don't care if you have a friggin' Ph.d.
If I were you, I'd badger them until they gave you a specific, actionable reason why you weren't hired. Tell them again how bad you want it, and that you'll reverse that issue if you are aware.
 
Or just go to grad school. But they aren't going to hire you in two years because you've got an MBA. It isn't valued at Jones.

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LockEDJ wrote:Here to tell you, another piece of paper isn't going to get you hired at Jones. They don't care if you have a friggin' Ph.d.
If I were you, I'd badger them until they gave you a specific, actionable reason why you weren't hired. Tell them again how bad you want it, and that you'll reverse that issue if you are aware.
 
Or just go to grad school. But they aren't going to hire you in two years because you've got an MBA. It isn't valued at Jones.If I were to go to grad school, i'd just end up in operations at some broker dealer or investment bank. PhDs are scarce and they'll take anyone with a PhD in math or whatever. Living on a 20k/year budget doesn't necessarily entice me. That's why I want to get into advisory. I figure if I work my butt off and pull down some nice commissions going into year 2-3, that i'll be ok. I have the 500 day war printed and on my wall. All I need is a B/D. Opportunity costs, you know. 4 years for a PhD and the added debt. Yeah i'll make 100k+ on exit but that's 4 years of making nothing.This is the business of making money. I don't care about the degrees, the title, etc. At the end of the day, all I want is the green and a lot of it. There's a saying in NYC, "It aint about the title that you have, its about how much money you make."

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....I'm going to grad school to try to find a job. Once again. Not to make myself look better for EDJ. Maybe after a PhD in quantitative finance, i'll write an application for the people who chose not to hire me. RAWR! J/P. I'm going to try again.... before grad schoolYou realize, you're all over the place. a Quant PhD and Financial Advisor are like entirely different career paths...Sure, they are both in banking, but I can't imagine one doing the other. If you like socializing with people and working with different people every day, FA is a great choice. If you like spreadsheets and Matlab, Quantitative Finance is great!!!

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You know i'm not so sure about EDJ's hiring thus far. I've referred 4 people. One having a finance degree, one having a PHD who is already selling insurance, one having massive sales experience, and a college grad...They only picked the 23 year old with no experience. Sometimes I think they are smoking crack.

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NumbersGeek wrote: LockEDJ wrote:
Here to tell you, another piece of paper isn't going to get you hired at Jones. They don't care if you have a friggin' Ph.d.
If I were you, I'd badger them until they gave you a specific, actionable reason why you weren't hired. Tell them again how bad you want it, and that you'll reverse that issue if you are aware.
 
Or just go to grad school. But they aren't going to hire you in two years because you've got an MBA. It isn't valued at Jones.If I were to go to grad school, i'd just end up in operations at some broker dealer or investment bank. PhDs are scarce and they'll take anyone with a PhD in math or whatever. Living on a 20k/year budget doesn't necessarily entice me. That's why I want to get into advisory. I figure if I work my butt off and pull down some nice commissions going into year 2-3, that i'll be ok. I have the 500 day war printed and on my wall. All I need is a B/D. Opportunity costs, you know. 4 years for a PhD and the added debt. Yeah i'll make 100k+ on exit but that's 4 years of making nothing.This is the business of making money. I don't care about the degrees, the title, etc. At the end of the day, all I want is the green and a lot of it. There's a saying in NYC, "It aint about the title that you have, its about how much money you make."
 
I think we just found the reason this kid wasn't hired. He's an ass.
 
MBA? Phd? What school? What did you get on your GMATS? Whats your GPA? If you don't have real world experince no MBA program worth a damn will accept you. ESPECALLY this year and next.
 
Your last statement is why Eddie Jones didn't hire you. You have your head in the clouds when it comes to this career. Earlier is the week you said you can sell 5 policies in two days. Are you nuts? No wonder he didn't get hired. He's clueless and has watched Boiler room and Wallstreet WAY too many times. Good luck bud. You need a reality check quick.

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franklin21 wrote:NumbersGeek wrote: LockEDJ wrote:
Here to tell you, another piece of paper isn't going to get you hired at Jones. They don't care if you have a friggin' Ph.d.
If I were you, I'd badger them until they gave you a specific, actionable reason why you weren't hired. Tell them again how bad you want it, and that you'll reverse that issue if you are aware.
 
Or just go to grad school. But they aren't going to hire you in two years because you've got an MBA. It isn't valued at Jones.If I were to go to grad school, i'd just end up in operations at some broker dealer or investment bank. PhDs are scarce and they'll take anyone with a PhD in math or whatever. Living on a 20k/year budget doesn't necessarily entice me. That's why I want to get into advisory. I figure if I work my butt off and pull down some nice commissions going into year 2-3, that i'll be ok. I have the 500 day war printed and on my wall. All I need is a B/D. Opportunity costs, you know. 4 years for a PhD and the added debt. Yeah i'll make 100k+ on exit but that's 4 years of making nothing.This is the business of making money. I don't care about the degrees, the title, etc. At the end of the day, all I want is the green and a lot of it. There's a saying in NYC, "It aint about the title that you have, its about how much money you make."
 
I think we just found the reason this kid wasn't hired. He's an ass.
 
MBA? Phd? What school? What did you get on your GMATS? Whats your GPA? If you don't have real world experince no MBA program worth a damn will accept you. ESPECALLY this year and next.
 
Your last statement is why Eddie Jones didn't hire you. You have your head in the clouds when it comes to this career. Earlier is the week you said you can sell 5 policies in two days. Are you nuts? No wonder he didn't get hired. He's clueless and has watched Boiler room and Wallstreet WAY too many times. Good luck bud. You need a reality check quick. I never said I was going to get an MBA. I think you're misunderstanding the posts. I'm leaving the option of an MBA open until I reach a point in my career where I need a shift, ie after some operational experience.No offense, but there's no reason for you to get all hot and bothered. I think you misread something along the way. I know FA work is difficult to get the inertia rolling. With annuitizing a business and all. Starting from $0/year in commissions to $100-200-300k. I had a plan for all that. Work from home using EDJ's model. My parents let me live rent free. I have two extra rooms, one for an office. Etc etc. I wouldn't be pushing index tied annuities to make big "Rips" but selling lower cost solutions that allow for better management, advisory solutions. My debt is fairly low, $20k and that's my only expense. I think i'm a great candidate for the job. Because I want to build a solid book. I'm not going to push one stock and possibly blow up my book and i'm not gonna solely push Ashares until the market is so saturated that I blow out after a few bad months of commissions. Annuitize my business, save my clients money(taxes/fees), and build a solid book.I've got personality!~~!

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franklin21 wrote:
I think we just found the reason this kid wasn't hired. He's an ass.

I don't think that would have disqualified him.

I think the fact that he is talking about his parents letting him live there rent free is the reason he wasn't hired.

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Moraen wrote: franklin21 wrote:
I think we just found the reason this kid wasn't hired. He's an ass.

I don't think that would have disqualified him.

I think the fact that he is talking about his parents letting him live there rent free is the reason he wasn't hired.

I never mentioned that. Heck they didn't even ask about my finances. One of the things that I found out to be a bit odd. Most other companies did.

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I remember KYC class at Jones. There was a guy who got a 98 on his Series 7. Major geek with no personality...could barely do the roleplay. No surprise when he flamed out before Eval Grad. Reminds me of numbersgeek.....
You think you are a great candidate because you want to build a solid book?
This is a sales job plain and simple every day. You live at home for goodness, do you think that retirees are going to trust you with their money if they knew that?
Here's a question for you....Why would I trust you to manage my money?
 

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noggin wrote:I remember KYC class at Jones. There was a guy who got a 98 on his Series 7. Major geek with no personality...could barely do the roleplay. No surprise when he flamed out before Eval Grad. Reminds me of numbersgeek.....
You think you are a great candidate because you want to build a solid book?
This is a sales job plain and simple every day. You live at home for goodness, do you think that retirees are going to trust you with their money if they knew that?
Here's a question for you....Why would I trust you to manage my money?
 "Because I have the right resources to provide you with the utmost care and management. EDJ has been ranked #1 multiple times by JD Power and Associates for the last decade. By employing our strategic portfolio model, you will reduce your tax liability, increase your savings, and minimize your risks. Now all I need is your John Hanc***."Client: "I don't know.""Look at what i'm doing, i'm writing down my home address and personal phone number. How many advisors have given you their home address and number? I'm here to take care of you and your family. Let's make some money." Slides contract across the table** I sense a bit of prejudice here. Just because someone is smart doesn't void them out of social skills. Starting college, my initial mindset was on sales/marketing. I have a marketing certificate and my first internship was in sales. So there's no doubt that sales was in my mind. Somewhere along the way, I was swayed by the opportunity to make a 6 figure salary straight out of college. All that stood in the way was getting an internship and working my butt off for an offer. I live by the 3Ps1. Passion2. Patience3. PersistenceI don't let anything stand in my way. Whether its complex mathematical formulas or meeting sales goals, I want to be the best at whatever I do. And I work, I aint no lazy.

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noggin wrote:I remember KYC class at Jones. There was a guy who got a 98 on his Series 7. Major geek with no personality...could barely do the roleplay. No surprise when he flamed out before Eval Grad. Reminds me of numbersgeek.....
You think you are a great candidate because you want to build a solid book?
This is a sales job plain and simple every day. You live at home for goodness, do you think that retirees are going to trust you with their money if they knew that?
Here's a question for you....Why would I trust you to manage my money?
 "Because I have the right resources to provide you with the utmost care and management. EDJ has been ranked #1 multiple times by JD Power and Associates for the last decade. By employing our strategic portfolio model, you will reduce your tax liability, increase your savings, and minimize your risks. Now all I need is your John Hanc***."I sense a bit of prejudice here. Just because someone is smart doesn't void them out of social skills. Starting college, my initial mindset was on sales/marketing. I have a marketing certificate and my first internship was in sales. So there's no doubt that sales was in my mind. Somewhere along the way, I was swayed by the opportunity to make a 6 figure salary straight out of college. All that stood in the way was getting an internship and working my butt off for an offer. I live by the 3Ps1. Passion2. Patience3. PersistenceI don't let anything stand in my way. Whether its complex mathematical formulas or meeting sales goals, I want to be the best at whatever I do. And I work, I aint no lazy.

Damn Geek. I wouldn't buy a damn thing from you. And if you sold me that garbage at the beginning, I'd sue the sh!t out of you.

Look, there is absolutely no reason they wouldn't hire you other than the fact that you answered some questions wrong in your interview.

You talk about making money, when most people go to Jones for the lifestyle it CAN provide, but not necessarily about the "money train" or "killing it in the market".

You are young, and fresh out of school.

Here's the other thing - if you want to work at Jones that bad, you can. Just keep calling them. They'll hire you eventually. Five to seven times ought to do it.

I also don't think you understand exactly how difficult and depressing doorknocking can be (some guys thrive on it, but most just do it because they have to). You also will not make six figures "right out of college", unless you are Wind.

Not to be a d!ck, which everybody on here knows I can be, but you really need a reality check. This business is tough.   Tough. And tough.

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NumbersGeek wrote: noggin wrote:
I remember KYC class at Jones. There was a guy who got a 98 on his Series 7. Major geek with no personality...could barely do the roleplay. No surprise when he flamed out before Eval Grad. Reminds me of numbersgeek.....
You think you are a great candidate because you want to build a solid book?
This is a sales job plain and simple every day. You live at home for goodness, do you think that retirees are going to trust you with their money if they knew that?
Here's a question for you....Why would I trust you to manage my money?
 "Because I have the right resources to provide you with the utmost care and management. EDJ has been ranked #1 multiple times by JD Power and Associates for the last decade. By employing our strategic portfolio model, you will reduce your tax liability, increase your savings, and minimize your risks. Now all I need is your John Hanc***."I sense a bit of prejudice here. Just because someone is smart doesn't void them out of social skills. Starting college, my initial mindset was on sales/marketing. I have a marketing certificate and my first internship was in sales. So there's no doubt that sales was in my mind. Somewhere along the way, I was swayed by the opportunity to make a 6 figure salary straight out of college. All that stood in the way was getting an internship and working my butt off for an offer. I live by the 3Ps1. Passion2. Patience3. PersistenceI don't let anything stand in my way. Whether its complex mathematical formulas or meeting sales goals, I want to be the best at whatever I do. And I work, I aint no lazy.
 
I will ask the question for a second time since you didn't get it the first time.... Why would I trust YOU to manage my money? You told me why I should trust good ole EJ....... This is very basic...understand the question before you answer it.

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Moraen: As an FA, it'll be tough to make 6 figures straight out of college. But as a quant, all that stands in the way is an offer. That's why I went that route and now i'm headed towards an FA role because I want to build a sustainable practice. Something more long term. I know its a lot of hard work in the beginning and i'm ready for it.All of this is making me want this job even more. I'm gonna get an offer from EDJ and i'm gonna make Seg5 numbers. You all watch. And then i'm gonna come back here and post my numbers.

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NumbersGeek wrote:

Moraen: As an FA, it'll be tough to make 6 figures straight out of college. But as a quant, all that stands in the way is an offer. That's why I went that route and now i'm headed towards an FA role because I want to build a sustainable practice. Something more long term. I know its a lot of hard work in the beginning and i'm ready for it.All of this is making me want this job even more. I'm gonna get an offer from EDJ and i'm gonna make Seg5 numbers. You all watch. And then i'm gonna come back here and post my numbers.

Seriously? You won't be utilizing any quant skills at EDJ. I hope you get the job though, but please don't post your numbers.

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NumbersGeek wrote:

As an FA, it'll be tough to make 6 figures straight out of college. But as a quant, all that stands in the way is an offer....Numbers: There you go again, jumping between FA and Quantitative Finance...I seriously recommend you read, "what color is your parachute" and get a little more focused on your career choice before your next interview. These two careers require entirely different personality types...you really need to decide which is right for you.  If what you've written here represents what you think and say during an interview, you won't get hired for any job...especially as a new grad in this economy. Good luck!

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