Possible Presidential Pairings?

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Indyone wrote:BondGuy wrote:Oil was a short squeeze. Ultimately meaningless.
 
...a few idiots holding short on the last day of the contract spawn another round of client anxiety.  I'm glad they got their @sses handed to them.
 
I concur. What were they thinking? Idiot trade

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+1....errr, +2.

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McCain - Not looking too presidential lately.
 
Think what you will about his decision to suspend his campaign, he looked tired and spooked during his press conference yesterday.
 
All of you still in his camp?

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BondGuy wrote:McCain - Not looking too presidential lately.
 
Think what you will about his decision to suspend his campaign, he looked tired and spooked during his press conference yesterday.
 
All of you still in his camp?I've decided to go with your guy, BG.  Why not go for the guy who ducks his job's responsibilties.  Besides, that 700bil debate, figure it out thing... looks like a real pain in the ass to deal with.  Dodd and Frank look like their up to the task and could do a fine job on Dem's behalf.  That whole save the economy deal, how to pay for it...blah blah blah...no friggin' fun.Real Presidential of Obama to hole up in a hotel boning up on his foreign policy stances while Rome burns.  What's up with that?  The guy is at least living up to his prior work history with his approach on the crisis...voting present in state legislature, run for prez as soon as elected U.S. Senator...Write (2) memoirs about  ???.  He is paid as a U.S. Senator to figure out and vote on this mess and oh yea that little thing that he he has a 40/60 chance of bring Prez. and has to deal with what passes as legislation. You are a funny guy.  

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Rugby, I didn't know anyone here was a member of the "sky is falling" coalition. My mistake.
 
I'll take your fear into account on future posts.
 
I am confused on one count: Yesterday,  republican after republican used their face time with Paulson  to voice opposition to the plan and to further say they wouldn't support the plan. Many said a plan wasn't needed at all or at least not one so hastily constructed. So, to use  your words Rugby, as Rome was burning, why so many republicans opposed to putting the fire out? And this is Bush's plan, right? So the repubs ought to love it. You voted for Bush didn't you?
 
Vote for whom ever you like this time round. Going by your track record you've got a history of voting for screw ups. So why not again? Personally, I can't vote for a candidate who lets us see him sweat. Yeah, it's OK to be scared and uncertain, but don't let me see that in you. Putin sees that, and we are dead in a showdown. McCain was clearly upset yesterday. That or he put on a good act. Thank God he's got Barbie. At least there's at least one candidate with a set of balls on that ticket.

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Let's face it.  Adding McCain and Obama to the mix of those in Washington trying to solve this problem will just make it worse.  Every Senator and Congressman has their own opinion.  We really don't need two more.  Neither of them even knows what to do, so why expect them to help?
 
So you might say, "Well they're running for president, they should help".  No.  Just keep them in the loop with everything that's going on between the President, Treasury, and the Fed.  That's what the President does.  Stays in the loop and makes the executive decision.  We don't need to hear the opinions of two more people that like to hear themselves talk. 

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Fear?  Lets us see him sweat?  These are strange new talking points you and your camp have on McCain.Shouldn't be too effective against a candidate that flew multiple combat missions in Vietnam firing missiles into hostile fire.  Meanwhile, the closest your guy came to firing anything was a stapler into a telephone pole in Chicago.  As far as Repubs. for and against Paulson's plan...is it too confusing to you that this is not a party line issue?  I think this new show (short haired chick) on MSBC has gotten you all confused causing you to make these irrational posts.Oh yea..and McCain is afraid to debate Obama.  He wants to delay the debate for a few days to stay in Washington until legislation complete.  Before you reply, ask yourself why Obama turned down McCain multiple times to have (10) weekly town hall debates leading up to the debate.  In your mind he must of been bluffing.  One more thing, McCain doesn't prepare for a debate he shows up...kind of refreshing don't you think?  Not fearful....although you'll be looking for the sweat on the brow...

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Rugs, are you being overly defensive, or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Where did I mention the debates?
 
Irrational? Rugs in your post above to me you try to justify McCain's emergency DROP EVERYTHING trip to Washington by equating the situation to Rome burning. Yet to justify the repubs stalling on the bailout you admonish Snags not to panick and to take a deep breath. The repubs need to slow things down.
 
If that sounds more than a little schitzo, it's because it is. Rugs, you can't have a candidate who is yelling fire, while meanwhile down on the ground those he would have put out the fire stand around with their hands in their pockets. You can't have it both ways.
 
This plan was a done deal before McCain showed up and stuck a stick in the spokes.
 
Down 9% in the pols before he announced his suspension his move was pure desperation. Time to ride into DC on the white horse and save the day. But, a funny thing happened on the horse ride to DC, the day was saved without him. But whoa, not so fast, McCain gets there and the entire deal falls apart. Now to save face, the repubs are saying there was no deal. Belive that? Ok, suspend reality. This is politics at its worst. It should be the final nail in McCain's candidacy. Then again, guys like you voted Bush in for two terms. Some people just eat an extra bowl of stupid every morning.
 
If anyone believes that it is even possible to suspend a presidential campaign well then, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
 
 

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BondGuy wrote:Rugs, are you being overly defensive, or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Where did I mention the debates?
 You didn't.  I figured you were would be going there at some point.  My bad for getting ahead of myself.
Irrational? Rugs in your post above to me you try to justify McCain's emergency DROP EVERYTHING trip to Washington by equating the situation to Rome burning. Yet to justify the repubs stalling on the bailout you admonish Snags not to panick and to take a deep breath. The repubs need to slow things down.
 
If that sounds more than a little schitzo, it's because it is. Rugs, you can't have a candidate who is yelling fire, while meanwhile down on the ground those he would have put out the fire stand around with their hands in their pockets. You can't have it both ways.
 
This plan was a done deal before McCain showed up and stuck a stick in the spokes.
 Not true.  Deal would not have passed without Repub. support and Dems were reluctant to go along with repub. admin. plan when repubs. themselves were not.  Comprendo?  
Down 9% in the pols before he announced his suspension his move was pure desperation.Gallup tracking poll out today 9/26 has them even.  (46%, 46%)Time to ride into DC on the white horse and save the day. But, a funny thing happened on the horse ride to DC, the day was saved without him. But whoa, not so fast, McCain gets there and the entire deal falls apart. Now to save face, the repubs are saying there was no deal. Belive that? Ok, suspend reality. This is politics at its worst. It should be the final nail in McCain's candidacy. Then again, guys like you voted Bush in for two terms. Some people just eat an extra bowl of stupid every morning.
 Should be final nail?  Why isn't it?  Why can't your candid. separate or distinguish himself?  People are stupid is a lousy argument, BG.  The entire country would better served if it had the collective intelligence as people from NJ / NY, like yourself.  Everything would be fine today with John Kerry & Al Gore too.  If McCain is stumbling so badly, it should be a layup for your candid. to pull away in polls and bring something to table to solve these issues.  Why he isn't is because too many people eating bowls of stupid for breakfast?  My take is that you better serve your candid. by speaking of why your candid. is best for country than questioning the intelligence of your opponents supporters.  (Elitist shtick) 
If anyone believes that it is even possible to suspend a presidential campaign well then, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

   Side Note-  Why in the world would Dems go along with a Treasury Sec.
of a Admin. they despise and have no confidence in?  My take-  Frank,
Dodd, Reid, Pelosi (Scary) = Bush, Paulsen (Scary)....No reason to go
along with entire Paulsen plan...We'll survive.   Also, not very comforting that Obama would get in line behind the DEM side of the above equation in this situation.  Shows a lack of leadership.

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McCain needs to fire whatever idiot advisor told him it would be a good idea to suspend his campaign and skip the debate. Bad advice and McCain is a better man than that. He now looks ridiculous.
 
Headline: McCain Blinks
 
I stand by my observation that when announcing the suspension he looked like a deer in the headlights.
 
 

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BondGuy wrote:McCain needs to fire whatever idiot advisor told him it would be a good idea to suspend his campaign and skip the debate. Bad advice and McCain is a better man than that. He now looks ridiculous.
 
Headline: McCain Blinks
 
I stand by my observation that when announcing the suspension he looked like a deer in the headlights.
 
 
 
I agree, McCain looked stupid.  You were right, all Obama had to do is show up.  That's it, he did.
 
McCain's advisors aren't helping him.
 
Also, what were they thinking not letting Palin talk?  She gave, what, two interviews?  That looks suspect in and of itself.  Are they so afraid the public will see through her now that her luster has worn off?
 
McCain's campaign is being run into the ground.  Maybe being a maverick isn't a good thing?!?
 
Obama, on the other hand, what are we to do with the people he chooses to associate with and seek economic advice from?  He's just as guilty as anyone else in Washington and actually found a way to do it faster than anyone else as he hasn't been there long.
 
This presidential race is a joke. 

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I have to agree with BondGuy, here. What was the McCain camp thinking? However, the whole $700 B bailout talks have all been a circus. All the political postering that has taken place just sickens me.

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Did anybody SEE the interview with Palin/Couric the other day? "What exactly has John McCain done in Washington?"-Couric
"Well, let me find out and I'll get back you!"-Palin

I was sort of para-phrasing (I forget the exact words). But man, she looked stupid.

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For anyone interested in some reasons for this financial mess...this is from the right and could be considered biased. See link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

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B24 wrote:Did anybody SEE the interview with Palin/Couric the other day? "What exactly has John McCain done in Washington?"-Couric "Well, let me find out and I'll get back you!"-Palin I was sort of para-phrasing (I forget the exact words). But man, she looked stupid.
 
The smart answer would be
 
"Why don't you ask John McCain that question. I thought you were interviewing ME"

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I'm still having a hard time getting over this:COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion
helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care,
housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money
into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions
that played a role in creating this mess?
PALIN:
That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill
about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers
looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help
those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to
help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job
creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right
track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending
has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And
trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive,
scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector
today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things
under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.--------------------I know it was a landmine question, but she didn't just lose a leg, she lost it all. 

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Saturday Night Live did it's opening skit with Tina Fey playing Palin in the Couric interview.

Of course it was very funny. But sadly, the answers Fey gave to those questions were as good as Palin's. The were equally nonsensical.  And Fey is so good playing her you had to do a double take to make sure it wasn't Palin.
 
Palin is a smart woman but here's the problem: She's out of her league. And it's not all her fault. Her handlers, those running the campaign, bare much of the responsiblity here. They haven't prepped her. They should have locked her in a room and said here are 150 questions you are going to get asked again and again, we're staying here until you can answer every one of them. They didn't do that. They locked her in the room, but they did nothing, or at least very little to prep her. To top it off she's lost her Mojo. She's lost her confidence. She's not the same woman who delivered that acceptance speech a few weeks ago. That's on the managers, not her.
 
Looking at it realistically, maybe she's never going to be ready. She was the governor of a state that population wise, is smaller than many counties in the northeast states. Or, another comparison would be she leads a government about the same size as a small city. Now she's taking out ofthat and thrust onto the bigist stage there is. That's gotta be a tough gig. And for me at least, I don't think she has the stuff we need in the executive branch.
 
Many are now saying she's going to get slaughtered in the debate this week. I for one, don't think so. It's a controlled setting and she knows the topic going in. Besides Biden will talk too much as usual. If he goes for the jugular it could backfire.
 
Still, to me it's a scary thought that this woman could be president. It is like a bad Disney movie.
 
I thought the McCain/Obama debate was a draw but polls show clearly that Obama won the debate. McCain's "I'm the Sheriff" strategy backfired with independents. They really didn't like McCain lecturing Obama, who obviously had a handle on the points McCain was making and clearly understood the points McCain said he didn't understand. This debate was McCain's strongest suit, foreign policy. He needed a big win here and didn't get it. And now fellow republicans are minimalizing his role as a player in the Bailout.
 
My own impression was McCain was looking backwards at our mistakes and Obama was looking forward with a vision for the future.
 
Stuck in the past or onward and upward to the future. Now, that's a choice. 

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Bondguy,

 
I do agree with what you are saying.  The fact that you say, "It's like a bad Disney movie" is along the same lines of Matt Damon's comments:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk
 
As an independent myself, I did favor Obama in the debate by a pretty wide margin.  All the "Obama doesn't know what he's talking about" stuff did get pretty old.
 
I was also annoyed by the stupid things he says off the cuff.  For instance, when asked, "What would you do or cut from your plans because of this economic crisis?", McCain says, "How about a spending freeze on everything except the war and taking care of our veterans".  Are you serious?  Did you really just say that?
 
I know it's not a huge point, but the guy seems so frantic about everything. 
 
The whole Palin thing has completely worn off on me.  I am so dis-interested in her and now view her pick as a terrible choice.
 
Lastly, I think McCain's advisors must be the dumbest guys around.  They have been making McCain look very poorly of late.

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The Republicans just put the stake through McCain's presidential bid. 
 
This is not going away for a long time.
 
The republicans are blaming Pelosi's speech before the vote, citing it as bipartisan.  Sure, saying nothing would have been better.  But if the republicans voted against it because of Pelosi's comments, then it plainly shows they are playing politics with the market and could not have put it to the side.
 
The republicans went against their own party's plan.  Talk about bumblef*ck.

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I'm over Democracy at this point.  I'm ready for communism.  Our Glorious Leaders, Bernanke and Paulson '08edit: my apologies, I forget irony is hard to achieve with out the but seriously...

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Seriously?  Relax.

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This is serious, but ice's advice is good advice to heed. It's way too early to know what the final outcome of any of this will be. While I tend to agree that this doesn't bode well for McCain, let's let the smoke clear. Right now each side is blasting away at the other. This deal isn't going to pass if that continues.
 
 

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