A Telling Sign for EJ?
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Wind-
Are you related to Spiff? Ron...maybe I can give Wind a little perspective. Last year as indy I grossed 300K and had an assistant 20 hours a week. And she is my wife, i.e., the money stays at home rather than someone who is just punching a time card and playing solitaire on the computer. We decided we needed another 12 hours of help from the outside and recently had to let her go due to our business which year to date is down 12%. If our biz picks up which I am expecting we will bring her back, but only if its warranted. You guys at Jones can't really manage your p/l. Only tweak it. No rep needs a full-time assistant until you are grossing at least 350-400K. Wirehouse figured that out long ago.Hey, how did I get brought back into this thing?
I was happy just sitting back and watching you guys play pile on with someone besides me. Looks like now I'll have to get involved. When I started I took over an office along with a BOA. She moved away and so for a few months I didn't have one. I can tell you that while not many Seg 1 or 2 FAs NEED a BOA, they can be incredibly useful. The thing is, our payout doesn't change based on whether or not we have a BOA in the office. It sucks both ways. The only thing having a BOA affects is our profitability and bonuses. And those aren't even a consideration for the first few years. If I were indy, I can certainly see not hiring full time staff for a few years because you are cutting directly into your paycheck when you do. It doesn't make sense to pay someone to do nothing. Jones isn't going to give up the one FA one BOA model. For a variety of reasons they/we see it as valuable and it's a cost they're willing to put out. I'm sure they do see it as a benefit to have a BOA in the office that doesn't change with the FAs. I personally think they're a valuable tool that can be helpful at any stage of the business. I went back to read the Judge's 500 day war. He spends a lot of time talking about contacts, cold calling, and mailing. He spends zero time talking about paying bills, processing mail, setting up seminars, etc. All of those things can be handled by a BOA. Every minute a new FA doesn't have to worry about something administrative is another minute he could be doorknocking or phone calling. So, he can spend a cumulative 4 hours a week doing paperwork, or he can spend that time creating new relationships.Wind, Buddy, you're talking yourself in circles now. And seriously, the Harvard comment? Wind, that comment is really a reflection of your age and experience in life. Going to Harvard (or Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, etc.) doesn't qualify you as more intelligent or knowledgable (yes, you probably had better grades and SAT scores), it simply gives you access to more powerful people. If you stay in this business forever, you may never see this (as opposed to working in corporate America), but the reality is, I would take a 20 year veteran in almost ANY industry over a newly minted Harvard grad. I have probably hired over 100 people in my career, and interviewed hundreds more. I have worked with literally thousands of people. I can tell you, without reservation, that your understanding of the way the world works is a little jaded. There is simply NO substitute for experience. And life experience also teaches you when to ease up a bit.See I honestly don’t get you guys, saying “There’s never anything wrong with my statements” doesn’t mean I know it all. I just meant that there is nothing really inherently wrong, meaning BAD about my statements. But you like to turn it around to sound like I know it all. I NEVER said I know it all, nor do I tell anyone WHAT to do. I just join in the conversation about what I have see, hear, and been told thus far. I’ve never said, “I know whats best, listen to me”…EVER…I’ve just commented on things because I have been doing well, so i’m obviously doing something right.
I think the difference Indy in me is that I like to learn, unfortunately noone else on this forum does. Everyone just likes to bash new guys. Thats why not very many post. They post a couple of times and get tired of the sh*t. But since I continue to, I’m a pariah.
Moss it’s very plausible that a Harvard Student knows more mechanically than a 20 year vet mechanically. Hell I’ve got 16 years experience of playing the guitar, that in know way means I know more than someone who has 5. Every business, every art-form has people who move VERY quickly because it comes natural. It’s about the person and how much they care, love, and study their career. Just because a person sits behind a desk for 20 years selling the same 7 funds and have been through a few tough markets, doesn’t mean they know more than someone who lives and breathes economics. I’m not talking about me necessarily, but it really just a shame that new guys get written of that they know nothing, Although they don’t have alot of experience, doesn’t mean they know absolutely NOTHING.
Oh…and I’m not sure what Jones you worked for Moss, but $50K gross in your first 4 selling months is ALOT compared to the standard of $8,000 total that most people sit on or below.
Wind, you know everything, but you must not know who Tuffy Rhodes is. Let me fill you in… He was an outfielder for the Chicago Cubs in the early 90’s. On opening day 1994 he became the first player to ever hit 3 HR’s on opening day, 18 months later would be the last time he played a game in the Majors. No, he didn’t get hurt. He is actually still playing in Japan, but he never felt the need to do anything but swing for the fence. He couldn’t believe the criticism he got a few months into the season when his numbers were down. Didnt management see what he did that day by hitting those homers? He was a stud in his own mind. He didn’t need to hit to all fields or move runners or take what the pitcher was giving him. Sure he looked great running into a few fastballs early on from Dwight Gooden, but then everyone caught on and he was done. Who knows what would have happened had he shut up, took instruction, humbled himself before his coaches and teammates, and grew into a complete player.
I think Wind is Spiff’s alter ego. One one side you have the affable, mild-mannered Spaceman Spiff, defender of all things green but very common sensical. On the other side you have the young, arrogant Wind, asking why won’t you people respect me?
First time I’ve had time to post this morning, I guess I should have given more of my ‘busy work’ to my BOA. While I thought it was beneath me to continue to pile onto wind, after making a comment about my wife (you are all class, wind), I thought I should join back in.
First, the reason why you are an embarrassment is that you have two modes, self adulation and uber defensive. Your "advice" comes across as self important and screams inexperience, and you "defending yourself" is rarely context related and centers around personal attacks and a couple hundred elipses. The only real value either has is akin to reading the cover of some gossip mag in the checkout line, fun to shake your head at in disbelief but short on substance. If I have learned anything in my relatively short life it's that the proud are ALWAYS humbled. Beware the karmic freight train, pal. The second reason you are a pariah is that you still don't get it, a few months of success doesn't mean d***. I would rather sit get the advice of a grizzled vet who flunked out of high school and built a 9 digit book than some punk kid who just happened to study well (no disrespect to any MBA's out there, I do think there is some value in the study and respect the time it takes to earn that degree). Here it is broken down for you: John Thain - Harvard MBA Stanley O'Neal - Harvard MBA Jeffrey Skilling - Harvard MBA Sweet...bang up job those guys did. Until you get it, 'it' being that you have to earn your place at the table with some years of hard work and adversity, you will always be the Series 7 licensed version of Ronald McDonald. And just to round things out, I love that you broke out the "I play guitar" thing. On top of everything else you just became "that guy" at the party that breaks out the guitar because he things that chicks dig the artsy guy. The unfortunate thing is "that guy" never knows he's "that guy" because he is too wrapped up in how cool he is. I guess that would just be wasted on you, though.Oh, andWind, you know everything, but you must not know who Tuffy Rhodes is. Let me fill you in… He was an outfielder for the Chicago Cubs in the early 90’s. On opening day 1994 he became the first player to ever hit 3 HR’s on opening day, 18 months later would be the last time he played a game in the Majors. No, he didn’t get hurt. He is actually still playing in Japan, but he never felt the need to do anything but swing for the fence. He couldn’t believe the criticism he got a few months into the season when his numbers were down. Didnt management see what he did that day by hitting those homers? He was a stud in his own mind. He didn’t need to hit to all fields or move runners or take what the pitcher was giving him. Sure he looked great running into a few fastballs early on from Dwight Gooden, but then everyone caught on and he was done. Who knows what would have happened had he shut up, took instruction, humbled himself before his coaches and teammates, and grew into a complete player.
[quote=SometimesNowhere]First time I’ve had time to post this morning, I guess I should have given more of my ‘busy work’ to my BOA. While I thought it was beneath me to continue to pile onto wind, after making a comment about my wife (you are all class, wind), I thought I should join back in.
First, the reason why you are an embarrassment is that you have two modes, self adulation and uber defensive. Your "advice" comes across as self important and screams inexperience, and you "defending yourself" is rarely context related and centers around personal attacks and a couple hundred elipses. The only real value either has is akin to reading the cover of some gossip mag in the checkout line, fun to shake your head at in disbelief but short on substance. If I have learned anything in my relatively short life it's that the proud are ALWAYS humbled. Beware the karmic freight train, pal. The second reason you are a pariah is that you still don't get it, a few months of success doesn't mean d***. I would rather sit get the advice of a grizzled vet who flunked out of high school and built a 9 digit book than some punk kid who just happened to study well (no disrespect to any MBA's out there, I do think there is some value in the study and respect the time it takes to earn that degree). Here it is broken down for you: John Thain - Harvard MBA Stanley O'Neal - Harvard MBA Jeffrey Skilling - Harvard MBA Sweet...bang up job those guys did. Until you get it, 'it' being that you have to earn your place at the table with some years of hard work and adversity, you will always be the Series 7 licensed version of Ronald McDonald. And just to round things out, I love that you broke out the "I play guitar" thing. On top of everything else you just became "that guy" at the party that breaks out the guitar because he things that chicks dig the artsy guy. The unfortunate thing is "that guy" never knows he's "that guy" because he is too wrapped up in how cool he is. I guess that would just be wasted on you, though. [/quote] yourself sometimes. Nicely said.wind,
You get beat on so much you really don't need me pointing this out but here goes... Your performance does not show you "know something". It shows you got people to buy investments from you early in your career. Having said that let me also say Thank You! A part of my net worth is in partnership and you are helping it be a profitable investment. I personally prefer to see EJ FAs that are hard working and succeeding than incredibly smart ones that fail.[quote=wind3574][quote=SometimesNowhere]
And just to round things out, I love that you broke out the "I play guitar" thing. On top of everything else you just became "that guy" at the party that breaks out the guitar because he things that chicks dig the artsy guy. The unfortunate thing is "that guy" never knows he's "that guy" because he is too wrapped up in how cool he is. I guess that would just be wasted on you, though. [/quote] This comment is retarded. It was a comparison and by the way, I wasn't that guy. I was actually the guy who toured, played on the same stage as Guns and Roses, Firehouse, Hinder, Avenged Seven Fold....Oh and the guy who recorded with the same producer as Pantera, B.B. King, Nickelback, Hell Yeah....If you listen to the radio enough, you'll probably hear me and not even know it.......but we won't go into that...You can just believe your own comments:)[/quote] Not only is the guy the next Ron Carson, he is also Axel Rose !! LOL !!!![quote=wind3574][quote=SometimesNowhere]
And just to round things out, I love that you broke out the "I play guitar" thing. On top of everything else you just became "that guy" at the party that breaks out the guitar because he things that chicks dig the artsy guy. The unfortunate thing is "that guy" never knows he's "that guy" because he is too wrapped up in how cool he is. I guess that would just be wasted on you, though. [/quote] FIST OF FIVE BABY....MY FAVORITE BAND!!! LOL This comment is retarded. It was a comparison and by the way, I wasn't that guy. I was actually the guy who toured, played on the same stage as Guns and Roses, Firehouse, Hinder, Avenged Seven Fold....Oh and the guy who recorded with the same producer as Pantera, B.B. King, Nickelback, Hell Yeah....If you listen to the radio enough, you'll probably hear me and not even know it.......but we won't go into that...You can just believe your own comments:)[/quote]Wind I have a great idea for you, although you don’t need it because you have all of the answers, but you could do investments seminars and then play the guitar at the end ! Attendees will get knowledge and entertainment ! Its the wave of the future !
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And just to round things out, I love that you broke out the "I play guitar" thing. On top of everything else you just became "that guy" at the party that breaks out the guitar because he things that chicks dig the artsy guy. The unfortunate thing is "that guy" never knows he's "that guy" because he is too wrapped up in how cool he is. I guess that would just be wasted on you, though. [/quote] This comment is retarded. It was a comparison and by the way, I wasn't that guy. I was actually the guy who toured, played on the same stage as Guns and Roses, Firehouse, Hinder, Avenged Seven Fold....Oh and the guy who recorded with the same producer as Pantera, B.B. King, Nickelback, Hell Yeah....If you listen to the radio enough, you'll probably hear me and not even know it.......but we won't go into that...You can just believe your own comments:)[/quote] And Windy tops himself yet again.Is that $10 bucks a head or are you giving head ?And I can charge them $10 bucks a head…It’s perfect!