Ron Paul
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Yeah you’re right. I’m in way over my head; this is definitely not my strong suit. I totally overlooked the fact that we’re the United States with emphasis on both words.
Very interesting topics.[quote=gethardgetraw]Yeah you’re right. I’m in way over my head; this is definitely not my strong suit. I totally overlooked the fact that we’re the United States with emphasis on both words.
Very interesting topics.[/quote] Well then, if you realize that we are the UNITED STATES, with emphasis on both words, then why would you not understand that the electoral college is completely necessary. It isn't one big election, it is a collection of 50 small elections. Each state's election is it's own thing. If you get the most votes in that state you win that state's election. I don't understand why people don't get this. IT HAS TO WORK THIS WAY if we are to remain States United together. Without the electoral college a candidate could carry every single state except say, maybe lose one by a landslide and LOSE the election. That's rediculous.This is a republic, just as the Founding Fathers intended. [/quote] Wow realized my original statement contains a lot of negatives...[quote=gethardgetraw][quote=LockEDJ][quote=gethardgetraw]…and I disagree against electing a president despite the majority of the country voting for his opponent.
For clarification: I agree with electing a president once he has captured the majority of the citizens' vote. __________ James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people[/quote] And that is exactly what the Electoral College does. It casts it's votes based on the STATE's election of the next president. Do not confuse the issue that we are a group of STATES who are UNITED together. We are a really large Eurpean Union. Each state has it's own rights. Unfortunately the Federal Government has infringed upon those rights over the years to the point where people forget that we were founded on the notion that the STATES maintained the majority the decision making within their own borders. The federal government was supposed to control the national defense and provide a unified national foreign policy so that say Louisiana wasn't negotiating with France while New York was negotiating with Spain on the same issue.[/quote] Quick question LSUAlum, so that I can gage your political leanings... Abe Lincoln. a) National Hero b) Federalist Oppressor
without the Fed, ML would have gone down in dec 08 and the world financial markets would have collapsed and many of us would be out of jobs. The credit crises had what the depression didn’t…the fed and monetary controls
without the fed.......mer would not have been in trouble with the bubble????????
electoral college is dumb.
someones vote in CA or ill or where ever is potentially "worth" more
retarded
This is a republic, just as the Founding Fathers intended. [/quote] Wow realized my original statement contains a lot of negatives...[quote=LSUAlum][quote=gethardgetraw][quote=LockEDJ][quote=gethardgetraw]…and I disagree against electing a president despite the majority of the country voting for his opponent.
For clarification: I agree with electing a president once he has captured the majority of the citizens' vote. __________ James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people[/quote] And that is exactly what the Electoral College does. It casts it's votes based on the STATE's election of the next president. Do not confuse the issue that we are a group of STATES who are UNITED together. We are a really large Eurpean Union. Each state has it's own rights. Unfortunately the Federal Government has infringed upon those rights over the years to the point where people forget that we were founded on the notion that the STATES maintained the majority the decision making within their own borders. The federal government was supposed to control the national defense and provide a unified national foreign policy so that say Louisiana wasn't negotiating with France while New York was negotiating with Spain on the same issue.[/quote] Quick question LSUAlum, so that I can gage your political leanings... Abe Lincoln. a) National Hero b) Federalist Oppressor[/quote] Depends. Do you feel the ends justify the means? Do you think the Civil War was about: (P.S. I grew up hearing the Civil War referred to as the 'War of Northern Aggression' for many years) a) Slavery b) The North's realization that the South was becoming economically independent with both Agriculture and Industry and thus disliked the competitive disadvantage? That the North then used slavery as a 'populist' movement to usurp states rights for the 'good of the nation'? That being said. I think Abe is a national hero for how he handled the period. I also think that Slavery is wrong. I do, however, think that the civil war history is revisionist history depending on where you live and that the north couldn't give a rat's ass about blacks at the time, they just were concerned about the economic disadvantage that cheap labor gave to the south. Coincidentally, you can draw parallels to Obama and the North's complaint about cheap labor in how he favors labor unions to free market wage equilibrium.
This is a republic, just as the Founding Fathers intended. [/quote] Wow realized my original statement contains a lot of negatives...[quote=Wet_Blanket][quote=LSUAlum][quote=gethardgetraw][quote=LockEDJ][quote=gethardgetraw]…and I disagree against electing a president despite the majority of the country voting for his opponent.
For clarification: I agree with electing a president once he has captured the majority of the citizens' vote. __________ James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people[/quote] And that is exactly what the Electoral College does. It casts it's votes based on the STATE's election of the next president. Do not confuse the issue that we are a group of STATES who are UNITED together. We are a really large Eurpean Union. Each state has it's own rights. Unfortunately the Federal Government has infringed upon those rights over the years to the point where people forget that we were founded on the notion that the STATES maintained the majority the decision making within their own borders. The federal government was supposed to control the national defense and provide a unified national foreign policy so that say Louisiana wasn't negotiating with France while New York was negotiating with Spain on the same issue.[/quote] Quick question LSUAlum, so that I can gage your political leanings... Abe Lincoln. a) National Hero b) Federalist Oppressor[/quote] Depends. Do you feel the ends justify the means? Do you think the Civil War was about: (P.S. I grew up hearing the Civil War referred to as the 'War of Northern Aggression' for many years) a) Slavery b) The North's realization that the South was becoming economically independent with both Agriculture and Industry and thus disliked the competitive disadvantage? That the North then used slavery as a 'populist' movement to usurp states rights for the 'good of the nation'? That being said. I think Abe is a national hero for how he handled the period. I also think that Slavery is wrong. I do, however, think that the civil war history is revisionist history depending on where you live and that the north couldn't give a rat's ass about blacks at the time, they just were concerned about the economic disadvantage that cheap labor gave to the south. Coincidentally, you can draw parallels to Obama and the North's complaint about cheap labor in how he favors labor unions to free market wage equilibrium. [/quote]
That's true. A great book to read would be "Lies My Teacher told me".
This is a republic, just as the Founding Fathers intended. [/quote] Wow realized my original statement contains a lot of negatives...[quote=LSUAlum][quote=Wet_Blanket][quote=LSUAlum][quote=gethardgetraw][quote=LockEDJ][quote=gethardgetraw]…and I disagree against electing a president despite the majority of the country voting for his opponent.
For clarification: I agree with electing a president once he has captured the majority of the citizens' vote. __________ James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people[/quote] And that is exactly what the Electoral College does. It casts it's votes based on the STATE's election of the next president. Do not confuse the issue that we are a group of STATES who are UNITED together. We are a really large Eurpean Union. Each state has it's own rights. Unfortunately the Federal Government has infringed upon those rights over the years to the point where people forget that we were founded on the notion that the STATES maintained the majority the decision making within their own borders. The federal government was supposed to control the national defense and provide a unified national foreign policy so that say Louisiana wasn't negotiating with France while New York was negotiating with Spain on the same issue.[/quote] Quick question LSUAlum, so that I can gage your political leanings... Abe Lincoln. a) National Hero b) Federalist Oppressor[/quote] Depends. Do you feel the ends justify the means? Do you think the Civil War was about: (P.S. I grew up hearing the Civil War referred to as the 'War of Northern Aggression' for many years) a) Slavery b) The North's realization that the South was becoming economically independent with both Agriculture and Industry and thus disliked the competitive disadvantage? That the North then used slavery as a 'populist' movement to usurp states rights for the 'good of the nation'? That being said. I think Abe is a national hero for how he handled the period. I also think that Slavery is wrong. I do, however, think that the civil war history is revisionist history depending on where you live and that the north couldn't give a rat's ass about blacks at the time, they just were concerned about the economic disadvantage that cheap labor gave to the south. Coincidentally, you can draw parallels to Obama and the North's complaint about cheap labor in how he favors labor unions to free market wage equilibrium. [/quote]
That's true. A great book to read would be "Lies My Teacher told me".
[/quote] I've read portions. It's on my shelf with several other half-read-I-need-to-finish-soon books. He's also very critical of Reconstruction and how it's taught as the northern whites treated the freed blacks very poorly and actually many of the Jim Crowe laws were supported by the northerners at the time.
[quote=LSUAlum][quote=NYCTrader] [quote=LSUAlum]The FED is an excellent idea. The problem is when it gets politicized. For instance, Rep. Waters from Calif. worried that raising the discount rate would hurt mortgage rates and cause more foreclosures due to ARMS resetting? Are these people, in charge of setting policy and approving budgets, that moronic that they don’t even know how interest rates work. Moreover, they grill him on things that are out of his jurisdiction. He’s in charge of the money supply, credit markets, overall monetary policy NOT Budget Policy.
The fact that the FED buys the majority of our National Debt should probably raise some red flags but ulitmately it then auctions it off to investors anyway.[/quote]Michelle Bachmann asked Bernanke if there were two discount windows.
[/quote] Missed that part. I wonder if he said, only during peak breakfast and lunch hours. We modeled it after the great R. Kroc's franchise.[/quote]
By the way, how did we go from Ron Paul to Jim Crowe?
End the Fed. It is a private banking organization owned by Bank of England, Lazard Feres, Goldman Sachs, JPM and Rothschild Banking interests of Europe. They print trillions out of thin air to finance wars and own governments. Read “End the Fed” by Ron Paul or The “Creature from Jekyll Island” by G Edward Griffin. You people are so uninformed its pathetic. Ron Paul is the man…he is the only statesman left in the U S House! Two families (Rothschild and Rockefellers) control indirectly thru these banks the central banking institutions of Europe and North America. Their goal is to rule the earth. As Mayer Amschel Rothschild said back in the 1600’s “Give me control of the worlds currencies and I care no who make its laws.”
[quote=tdude]End the Fed. It is a private banking organization owned by Bank of England, Lazard Feres, Goldman Sachs, JPM and Rothschild Banking interests of Europe. They print trillions out of thin air to finance wars and own governments. Read “End the Fed” by Ron Paul or The “Creature from Jekyll Island” by G Edward Griffin. You people are so uninformed its pathetic. Ron Paul is the man…he is the only statesman left in the U S House! Two families (Rothschild and Rockefellers) control indirectly thru these banks the central banking institutions of Europe and North America. Their goal is to rule the earth. As Mayer Amschel Rothschild said back in the 1600’s “Give me control of the worlds currencies and I care no who make its laws.” [/quote]
Oh, because Ron Paul is the only person without an agenda?! Griffin is a shill for Paul.
I admire Paul as much as the next guy, but don’t think for one second that people are uninformed just because they don’t agree with you.
Great to have you back Mel!End the Fed. It is a private banking organization owned by Bank of England, Lazard Feres, Goldman Sachs, JPM and Rothschild Banking interests of Europe. They print trillions out of thin air to finance wars and own governments. Read “End the Fed” by Ron Paul or The “Creature from Jekyll Island” by G Edward Griffin. You people are so uninformed its pathetic. Ron Paul is the man…he is the only statesman left in the U S House! Two families (Rothschild and Rockefellers) control indirectly thru these banks the central banking institutions of Europe and North America. Their goal is to rule the earth. As Mayer Amschel Rothschild said back in the 1600’s “Give me control of the worlds currencies and I care no who make its laws.”
u r quite uninformed my friend. The Fed needs to be dissolved! It is a leach on the American Republic. They have destroyed the $. The goal is world domination. To rule the earth u need a removal of borders and a one world currency step by step. The half dozen Illuminati families have already conquered Europe…loss of national currency, national soveriegnty and national borders. Laws are made in Brussells. The North American Union and African Union are next. 1st regional then world govt. Quietly orchestrated by a half dozen families behind the scenes. U need to wake up. America is the crown Jewel because its the only nation with an armed (80-90 milion homeowners) population. Swiss also are armed but they dont have the numbers…Note they still have there currency though. Once they have the USA the globe is toast! These families use the central banks for their financial power base. The folks at this forum are quite naive.
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Furthermore, if we didn't have EC, then Gore would have been a president. I think that is enough supportive proof. [/quote]Right, because we were all so much better off having GW Bush run the country into the ground for 8 years.
[quote=tdude]u r quite uninformed my friend. The Fed needs to be dissolved! It is a leach on the American Republic. They have destroyed the $. The goal is world domination. To rule the earth u need a removal of borders and a one world currency step by step. The half dozen Illuminati families have already conquered Europe…loss of national currency, national soveriegnty and national borders. Laws are made in Brussells. The North American Union and African Union are next. 1st regional then world govt. Quietly orchestrated by a half dozen families behind the scenes. U need to wake up. America is the crown Jewel because its the only nation with an armed (80-90 milion homeowners) population. Swiss also are armed but they dont have the numbers…Note they still have there currency though. Once they have the USA the globe is toast! These families use the central banks for their financial power base. The folks at this forum are quite naive. [/quote]
Ron Paul’s base, right here folks.
NYC TRader…The bankers own the Bushes and they own the Obama’s. The presidency is middle management. David Rockefeller rules the wstrn hemisphere and Jacob Rothschild rules the eastern. They ownthe Clintons and most other politicos. Ron Paul is one of the few who cant be bought.
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Furthermore, if we didn't have EC, then Gore would have been a president. I think that is enough supportive proof. [/quote]Right, because we were all so much better off having GW Bush run the country into the ground for 8 years.
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Sorry NYC - Gore would have done worse. Not to mention, how's that AGW working out? Record snow, a decline in temperatures for 2/3's of the world the last ten years (on average) and sea levels actually falling. Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!
And Arabic is a pretty language, but I wouldn't want to be speaking it or trying to type it on this forum (we'd all be out of business anyway). Al Gore didn't have the balls to retaliate against al Qaeda. Nor go into Iraq (even though Bill Clinton thought that Hussein was the biggest threat we faced).
Oh naive ones…here is today’s news from across the pond:
Gordon Brown calls for a World Constitution
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Out Of Chaos , Comes Opportunity
Using the last 2 years of Global Downturn as a backdrop , Brown uses this
an a excuse for a Global Constitution to cure the ails.
He seems to claim that the only way to progress out of this downturn, is to
use this crisis, for a radical new start.
The man loves 2 words, Global, Globalization.
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Furthermore, if we didn't have EC, then Gore would have been a president. I think that is enough supportive proof. [/quote]Right, because we were all so much better off having GW Bush run the country into the ground for 8 years.
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Sorry NYC - Gore would have done worse. Not to mention, how's that AGW working out? Record snow, a decline in temperatures for 2/3's of the world the last ten years (on average) and sea levels actually falling. Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!
And Arabic is a pretty language, but I wouldn't want to be speaking it or trying to type it on this forum (we'd all be out of business anyway). Al Gore didn't have the balls to retaliate against al Qaeda. Nor go into Iraq (even though Bill Clinton thought that Hussein was the biggest threat we faced).
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No time or energy to get into this debate. Sorry man.
Bernanke needs to apologize to Ron Paul
http://www.infowars.com/fed-chairman-bernanke-should-apologize-to-ron-paul/