[quote=Mike Damone]I've never read a mikebutler post until about 2 weeks ago.  Are you always like this Mikey?[/quote]

Depends on my mood. 'Taking it pretty lightly today. It's Friday, the holidays are coming, I've got a grin I can't get rid of.... and I'm having fun with Sonny and the BankFC. All in good fun 

Wow....  I'm at a loss for words (not really..... I never run out).  Thanks guys.   BTW: its Scotch not G&T.

It is a light Friday for me too and I have writers cramp from the stupid  (oops did I say that) Christmas cards. 

Mikey,

Does your boyfriend work for a Trust Department.  Lol, that's all I hear you talking about...

You and the "big boys" go belly up to the bar...just take it easy, I know that AMEX is probably just about maxed out by now.

[quote=SonnyClips]I know that Porsche stopped making the 928 because it was a big fat pig that really didn't fit what Ferry Porsche had in mind when he said that... [/quote]

I suggest you read "Excellent Was Expected". You'll find the 928 wasn't discontinued for any reason like that.

[quote=SonnyClips]

 That and in all honesty the 928 was built for people who didn't have the chops to drive a 911.

[/quote]

ROFLMAO, no, Sonny, it was made to be a high speed GT car (perhaps you don't know what that it).

[quote=SonnyClips]The 944 on the other hand did handle beautifully in any drivers hands with its 50/50 weight distro and Weisach rear camber changing geometry but still who would want a 944 instead of a boxster or a 928 instead of a 911. "

Wow, so many errors in such a short paragraph. The 944 (and 924 before it) were only produced because Porsche feared they would not much longer be able to produce the aircooled 911 with changing US emmission law. (The US is 50% of Porsche's market). Both the 924 and 944 models, while not bad, sell for far less than a 911 of equal age. That tells you something about what history says of them.

BTW, the Boxster and 944 were not sold the same years and even had they been, they were for different buyers. The Boxster is a 2 seat roadster, the 944 a coupe.

The 928 and 911 were not expected to appeal to the same buyers. The 928 was a mega high speed GT (Grand Touring), the 911 a sports car.

[quote=SonnyClips]

 Gotta love that Elise though would you say its the Seven of its time? Hats off to GM the Elise is the best thing to come out of that company since sh*t I don't when.

[/quote]

ROFLMAO, you just get better. FIRST, the Elise is NOT MADE BY GM. It's a LOTUS, owned by an Indoneasian maker, Proton.

SECOND, it's a fine car but far, far too tiny to be both a track AND reasonable street car. After the first blush on what great car Lotus was bring to the US, sales fell like a stone when people found it was really a track car you could take to the road, not equal parts of the two.

[quote=SonnyClips]

As far as the ribbing Its nice to see your good humored. Have you ever taken a rear engine Porsche to the edge?[/quote]

Thanks, and yes, of course (didn't I mention my 933? Know what that is?). BTW, if you're a doubter of how great the 911 is, perhaps it's because you're not up to the task.

That could explain how you found yourself with a reverse-lock slide. That's not something you'd do on purpose. Perhaps the Boxster with its mid-engine or the new Cayman, a Boxster-based coupe is more your sytle.

[quote=BankFC]

Mikey,

Does your boyfriend work for a Trust Department.  Lol, that's all I hear you talking about...

[/quote]

Awww, ain't that funny. It's also funny that you NEVER mentioned the Trust Department. I bet it's because you realize what a small-account broker mentioning what they do to you makes you. 

[quote=SonnyClips]

You and the "big boys" go belly up to the bar...just take it easy, I know that AMEX is probably just about maxed out by now.

[/quote]

See, you just had to go off and talk like that. And right after the big boys were about you buy you a drink (true, it was going to be just bar brand) in the holiday spirit.

BTW, my AMEX HAS no limit. Does yours? 

Lol, I actually have one credit card that never comes out...can't even remember the limit.  Don't buy much on credit.

LOL, btw, credit limits are hardly a measure of net worth...my ex-girlfriend worked at a high end apartment complex, and guys would come in driving Hummers and Beemers, even Porsche...and couldn't even qualify for a apartment.

But I'm sure you impressed SOMEONE here..

Not to ignore your question though Mikey.  Our Trust department only does Trust business, they don't compete with us for non trust accounts.  They hardly enter my mind.  If I send them business (ex I have a client with about 15 million in real estate), they collect the Trust fee, and I collect any of the commissions generated from securities.  So there is NO conflict of interest. 

Hard for you to swallow that someone might have a better deal out there than you???  You seem awfully jealous  ; )

No trust dept. in my institution.  That's me I guess.

[quote=BankFC]

Not to ignore your question though Mikey.  Our Trust department only does Trust business, they don't compete with us for non trust accounts.  [/quote]

What's the phrase I'm looking for, uh, er, ROFLMAO.

Be serious, pal, everyone who knows anything about bank programs and understands how bank brokerages profit know that "Trust Departments" do much more than trusts, even if they haven't rebranded themselves "Private Bank" they act as one and they're a far better profit center for each customer dollar than you are or could ever be. THUS, the bank places a high priority on getting HNW people to Trust/PB and away from you. You know this, I know this. Thsi leaves you with crumbs.

[quote=SonnyClips]Look back at my earlier posts I never said I disliked 911's, in fact I think they are design classics. I said that they were challenging in regard to handling, an aspect that has been addressed in newer models but sometimes at risk in harming what makes this car really unique and wonderful.

[/quote]

It's the rear engine set-up that they've used for better than 40 yrs that makes them unique and the legend that they are. It sounds like you’re just another driver unable to get the most out of the 911.

[quote=SonnyClips]

I have had quite a time behind the wheel of a number of rear and mid engine Porsche's and find them to be excellent.

[/quote]

Sure you have. Your knowledge of the model line is, well, a joke. How about telling us about all the mid-engined models from Porsche you're driven?

[quote=SonnyClips]

Though I doubt you have really enjoyed them at the limit given your statement about reverse lock slides.

[/quote]

A reverse lock slide is what you do when you've screwed up badly, entered a corner too fast, cut in too quick and need to reduce over-steer. By then you've missed the apex, you've lost speed and you're just trying to save the car.

[quote=SonnyClips]

The Mid engine car can be just as treacherous at the limit ...

[/quote]

Every car is dangerous at its limit. The beauty of the mid-engine chassis is its neutral feel.

[quote=SonnyClips]

Have you ever got the inside front wheel to lift in hard cornering its not as difficult as it sounds. Try it and get back to me.

[/quote]

Gee, I'll have to do that, again, just for you, lamer. I don't know where you get the idea that lifting the front inside is a big deal, you can do it in low speed autocross.

[quote=SonnyClips]
I believe lotus is owned by GM ...

[/quote]

It isn't. Just another of the many items that made it clear you're just a poseur on this subject. Lotus is owned by Proton, has been for more than a decade.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns00832.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Cars

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/information/press/maga zine/magazine1996/autowk.html

You'll notice that GM is CUSTOMER of Lotus engineering. It was Lotus engineering that designed the Vauxhall roadster (VX 220) you're talking about.

[quote=SonnyClips]
As far as super fast the 928 never completely eclipsed the 911..

[/quote]

I don't know how many times I have to explain this to you, but the 928 was never meant to replace the 911. It was a GT car (look up the term), not a competitor of the 911.

[quote=SonnyClips]

The values on 928's don't hold up worth sh*t either but at least the 944 was a 1G car.

[/quote]

Ugh.... the only Porsche that's had values hold up strong has been the 911. The 928 was accepted by Porsche lovers for what it was. The 944, like the 924 before it and the 914 and 968 have never achieved universal acceptance. The last two years of production, when the 944 was produced with massive turbo assisted power (not the less powerful, earlier 944 turbo), now that was a beast.

[quote=SonnyClips]

One f**king G. It wasn't until they replaced the 944 with the Boxster..

[/quote]

No, they replaced the 944 with the 968. Like the 944 it was front engined, and 4 cyl. Man, you know nothing of Porsches.

[quote=SonnyClips]
As far as 933 it is just a lux variant of a 911 no?

[/quote]

No, it's the internal designation [just like 916 isn’t a model number, it’s the internal designation for the 6 cyl version of the 914) for the 911 produced between 1995 and 1998. The last, and best of the air-cooled 911s. If you knew anything of 911s, you’d know that.

http://www.993faq.com/

[quote=SonnyClips] I would rather have the stripped down club racer model

[/quote]

You're really a joy to chat with about Porsches. Say, Porsche expert, just when were "club racer" Porsches made?

[quote=SonnyClips]
Don't be hatin' on other makes of cars ..

[/quote]

Don't confuse "hatin‘" with knowing.

[quote=mikebutler222] [quote=BankFC]

Not to ignore your question though Mikey. Our Trust

department only does Trust business, they don’t compete

with us for non trust accounts. [/quote]

What’s the phrase I’m looking for, uh, er, ROFLMAO.

Be serious, pal, everyone who knows anything about

bank programs and understands how bank brokerages

profit know that “Trust Departments” do much more than

trusts, even if they haven’t rebranded themselves

"Private Bank" they act as one and they’re a far better

profit center for each customer dollar than you are or

could ever be. THUS, the bank places a high priority on

getting HNW people to Trust/PB and away from you. You

know this, I know this. Thsi leaves you with crumbs.

[quote=SonnyClips]All cars are unpredictable at the limit?

[/quote]

I didn't say "unpredictable", I said dangerous. If your assertion is that the 911 is "unpredictable" 40 years of racing history says you're flat wrong. "Unpredictable" cars don't have a winning streak that extends that long. Just because it's too much car for you doesn't mean it's unpredictable.

[quote=SonnyClips]

. As far as club racer, bud your right I don't know the internal designation from internal medicine.

[/quote]

You mean as far as Porsches, period, go. Don't tell you're an experinced driver if you can't tell a Targa from a Cab.

[quote=SonnyClips]

I believe the GT3 is a club racer. [/quote]

Almost every year that the 911 has been produced they have offered a variant that’s at least tried to trim some weight and perhaps added hp. The 993 years offered the RS and RSR versions. The GT3 is in keeping with that thread. It’s funny you should mention the GT3 as a fav, though, because it’s the one 911 that doesn’t come with driver assists that make the car more “predictable”, something you said was needed.

[quote=SonnyClips]
At the track we used to call guys like you "magazine readers." The guys who new all the weenie information about cars but were not really so balls out when it came to driving. Your the kind of guy who likes to use the traction control.

[/quote]

“Your” the kind of guy who knows nothing of the car OR of them guy “your” discussing it with. It’s clear to me based on your “unpredictable” and “reverse lock slide” comments that you know less about racing than you do investing. The “get the inside front wheel up” comment is especially comical considering you can do that at less than 55 mph at any traffic cone marked autocross.

Seriously, no one who’s ever driven a 911 “to the limit” would be unfamiliar with the last and best of the air-cooled heritage, the 993.

[quote=SonnyClips]

The 914-6 was actually the designation for the flat six variation but so what you understood what I meant. Do you turn your nose up at these cars too?
[/quote]

I knew there was never such a thing as a 916 and I knew you didn’t know that. And, no, I like the 914s and even owned one.

Say, given how far off topic this is and how you’ve embarrassed yourself repeatedly on it, do you really want to continue?

[quote=BankFC]

Poor sap. You actually can't handle the fact that I
have completely proved you wrong can you??? [/quote]

You "proved" what again? The fact that your mysterious bank brokerage is nothing like every other bank brokerage in the business? Hardly.

I suppose as long as you don't disclose WHICH bank program you're with you can deny every aspect of the program that doesn't fit the fantasy you which to project. 

I don't remember you disclosing what firm your with?  What city are you in?  What's your name, telephone number, and social security?

Mike, i don't care about your opinion.  i have been NOTHING but honest on this board, and when you don't like it, you say its untrue.

That's what makes you pitiful.

Even if I did tell you my bank, what would you do, try to call and confirm the structure of the trust dept, the benefits, and the payout grid...who would you call Mikey???

see how crazy you sound?

Mike, see my previous post on YouCanHateMeNow.

You lose.

[quote=BankFC]

I don't remember you disclosing what firm your with?  What city are you in?  What's your name, telephone number, and social security?

[/quote]

Since you feel the need to run this discussion on three threads... the majors are all fairly interchangable, you don't need the name of my specific wirehouse to understand, much less other other info you now need. You, otoh, hide behind some mystery bank that's unlike every other bank program....

[quote=BankFC]

Mike, i don't care about your opinion.  i have been NOTHING but honest on this board, and when you don't like it, you say its untrue.

[/quote]

Of course, everything you've said is true, and we can just take your word on that. AND, based on your word, well, life is far better in the bank lobby (or in the cubicle if you're a real hotshot). Say, your word wasn't good on the features of that Hartford annuity you mentioned...

[quote=BankFC]

Even if I did tell you my bank, what would you do, try to call and confirm the structure of the trust dept, the benefits, and the payout grid...who would you call Mikey???

[/quote]

"Call"? Why would I "call" anyone. There's no doubt most everything you've said could be verified or disproved with a little online research.

See how uninformed you sound?

[quote=SonnyClips]I didn't say driver assists were needed, I said you needed them. [/quote]

Of course, the guy who doesn't know me, and doesn't know the first thing about Porsches has made a pronouncement.

BTW, the 993 doesn't have any of the driver's aides, either. I hope you've read the links I've given you. I's hate to think you learned nothing from all the hard work I put into educating you 

Mikey, see how uninformed YOU sound.  Where are you going to go online????  Our benefits aren't online.  The only thing online is where folks can see their accounts etc.  YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY BANK, yet you act as if you do. 

Why?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!  That's why 

and I didn't make an error you fool...i used the term living benefit which is a general term for various riders on VA's.

Sorry, I don't have time to copy and paste from Hartford's website and link to the prospectus.  what a dork you are, lol...

oh my god the argument is spreading!!!!!

look kids, if you can't play nice you won't be allowed to play together at all.  now let's all go to the kitchen and make some pbj sandwhiches for a snack while you two calm down.....

::rolls eyes::

And don't either of you dare say to me "HE started it!"

gladly.  i’ve owned mikey long enough

[quote=BankFC]

Mikey, see how uninformed YOU sound.  Where are you going to go online???? 

[/quote]

The services your bank offers will be available there, the number of branches, the existance of the Trust/PB you say doesn't exist. Plenty of things are online. I bet they even have an informative "careers" section.

[quote=BankFC]

Our benefits aren't online.

[/quote]

I couldn't care less about your bennies, they weren't impressive to start with.

[quote=BankFC]YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY BANK, yet you act as if you do. 

Why?

[/quote]

Why? Because much like the fact that the majors are very much the same, bank brokerages share many features. You might not have them all, but you'll have many. The way you tell the fantasy there are NONE of the drawbacks. 

[quote=BankFC]

and I didn't make an error you fool...i used the term living benefit which is a general term for various riders on VA's.

[/quote]

It isn't that you used the wrong name, I couldn't care less about that. It's that you incorrectly explained what it does.

[quote=BankFC]

Sorry, I don't have time to copy and paste from Hartford's website and link to the prospectus. 

[/quote]

You mean you don't have the time to learn about the product you're incorrectly flogging. All those people you told that they could have a guaranteed 5% income stream for life w/o annuitizing sure will be mad at the guy that replaces you. (We know you won't be there).