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And Joe brings out the Mickey D comment.....BA-ZING!!!!!

They never clarified on the sux site either.  Actually "BB" would be a better adjective then.  Let me explain it for Joe incase he doesn't comprehend:  Barely Breathing.  Reminds me of a state agency back in FL: DOA (my acronym: dead on arrival).  

So there's less women in this field due to lack of math knowledge?  They seem to flock to the insurance field and there's math involved there but is less complex: just deductibles, coverage and such. 

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So i walk up to the counter and the lady says "Can I help you?", "I'd like 40 double cheeseburgers please", I reply. She then asks "for here or to go?", I repeat my order to her slowly hoping she'll catch on.  Then she says "I got the order, for here or to go?"  very irritatingly, like I'm the idiot.

If you don't get it read it again, if you still dont get it IM me, I'll 'splain it.

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So were a dick to the lady at McDonalds, and that is supposed to be funny?




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Sorry Air, I should have known not to mention hamburger in a Jones thread, seems like it brings back memories of bad analogies with the Jonesfolk, I apologize profusely, won't happen ever, ever again for the rest of the day.

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So there's less women in this field due to lack of math knowledge?  They seem to flock to the insurance field and there's math involved there but is less complex: just deductibles, coverage and such. 

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Insurance is actually more complex, but one word makes it easy for Mary Ann and Gilligan to understand. It's the word guarantee.

As far as women in the RR field, 4 of the 6 I personally know at other firms sell mainly annuities. I would say over half of the SF, Allstate, metlife, ALFA, Cotton States etc.  are women in my area. The independent insurances are mainly men.

Is this topic on another current post?

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They never clarified on the sux site either.  Actually “BB” would be a better adjective then.  Let me explain it for Joe incase he doesn’t comprehend:  Barely Breathing.  Reminds me of a state agency back in FL: DOA (my acronym: dead on arrival).  

So there's less women in this field due to lack of math knowledge?  They seem to flock to the insurance field and there's math involved there but is less complex: just deductibles, coverage and such. 

I'm new to the field; currently working on getting licensed to sell in other states.

Hey, give the McD lady a break and not insult her intelligence:  Maybe she thought your office crew would join you there?  Maybe she thought you had a hefty appetite?  Maybe that's why she asked to go: since it was obvious you might be picking up lunch for the fellers back at the office sweating over their "calculators".  When they focus on customer service, they learn not to question customers: customers might be insulted over that.  If a customer is a pig and wants to eat that much, why question it and have him complain and then she could lose that big buck job.   As a former fastfood worker (...would you like our special sauce with that?) 

Actually we're all aliases here, aren't we?

Re: sales, working in any job with customer contact is a good start for getting sales experience and people skills (includes fastfood, telemarketing (cold calls) and even pushing candybars in highschool.  It's really a lot of effort for a job where you don't know if you will make any money.  Luckily, I'm already a good producer with selling insurance; don't think I'd be doing that well if I were an fa, though. 

[quote=goforbroke]

Actually we're all aliases here, aren't we?

Re: sales, working in any job with customer contact is a good start for getting sales experience and people skills (includes fastfood, telemarketing (cold calls) and even pushing candybars in highschool.  It's really a lot of effort for a job where you don't know if you will make any money.  Luckily, I'm already a good producer with selling insurance; don't think I'd be doing that well if I were an fa, though. 

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Actually this is my real name.  

You are right. This is a sales job and being able to interact with people is more important than advanced math skills.  In fact, I think that most financial advisors would do well to take some psychology courses and body language training courses to be better able to understand the interactions between themselves and their prospects.

I posted this before, but one of the most valuable training courses I had when with another industry was when they video taped us during our mock sales presentations.  It was horribly revealing.  OMG ....do I fiddle with my hair that much!!! Click my pen!!! Rock back and forth on my feet!!!  Talk that fast!!!! 

Since then I am very conscious of my body language and how I physically present myself.  Be aware of these things in yourself and in your prospects.

[quote=babbling looney][quote=Mandoman][quote=babbling looney][quote=Spaceman Spiff 

Or you could do all the things that the guys at Jones are so proud of doing (door knocking, cold walking, community service etc) and get paid 80% to 100% of your production.   Spending money to get money makes sense when you get to keep more of your earnings.

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And what is the best way of getting to this point (indy) without doing the Jones thing for several years?  Everyone seems to speak highly of their training program and the number of new hires they bring on.  Alternative suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks.

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I was responding to Spaceman's implication that if you don't do it the "Jones way" you are spending too much money, wandering in the wilderness. His implication that his (Jones) way is the only real and best way.  He irriates me because he thinks he has all the answers and I know he doesn't.  You know, all the kool aid stuff http://www.gbs.sha.bw.schule.de/jim_jones_history.htm   (for the benefit of those who don't know why we call it Kool Aid culture) that the company indoctrinates everyone with.   It is the Jones "attitude" that ticks people off.  If you plan to go there, try not to become a supercilious prick like the majority of the Jones cheerleaders.  Put down the pom poms..... step away from the megaphone before you hurt yourself.

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Babs, you misunderstand me.  I didn't tell this guy that the Jones way was the ONLY way.  The poster before me used the word schmuck in regards to a Jones guy doorknocking.  I'm amazed that sooo many people bash the doorknocking thing, but have absolutely no problem dialing for dollars 200 times a day.  The thought that you are a schmuck for doorknocking and not for cold calling is ridiculous.  In essence they're the same thing.  That's the reason for my response. 

If you read my posts you'll notice that I've never said that the Jones way is the ONLY way.  I just take offense at those of you who have left and now think that the way Jones does things was absolutely the most stupid thing ever.  I like hearing other ideas on bringing in new dollars.  I don't want to doorknock any longer.  But to tell a noob that he should go indy immediately and spend thousands of dollars upfront to outfit his office, host seminars, etc without a client base, I think is not the best piece of advice I've heard you give.  You think people go into the hole working for Jones, how much in the hole would you be if you went indy first. 

The indies on this board who think indy is the ONLY way to run a biz irritate me.  You people think you have all the answers and that the rest of us are stupid for working for "the man."  You have the same radical mentality you had when you used to work for Jones.  Your kool aid is just a different flavor.   

Spiffy, Spiffy....did you ask the "man" to post? 

[quote=goforbroke]

I'm new to the field; currently working on getting licensed to sell in other states.

Hey, give the McD lady a break and not insult her intelligence:  Maybe she thought your office crew would join you there?  Maybe she thought you had a hefty appetite?  Maybe that's why she asked to go: since it was obvious you might be picking up lunch for the fellers back at the office sweating over their "calculators".  When they focus on customer service, they learn not to question customers: customers might be insulted over that.  If a customer is a pig and wants to eat that much, why question it and have him complain and then she could lose that big buck job.   As a former fastfood worker (...would you like our special sauce with that?) 

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Ok. no more picking on MickeyD's for me, I'll leave that to Joe

I just take offense at those of you who have left and now think that the way Jones does things was absolutely the most stupid thing ever.  

NP.   And if you have read any of my posts you know that I have said good things about door knocking as an effective way to introduce yourself to prospective clients.    Each method of business has its own merits and pitfalls.   To each his/her own I say.

[quote=Spaceman Spiff] But to tell a noob that he should go indy immediately and spend thousands of dollars upfront to outfit his office, host seminars, etc without a client base, I think is not the best piece of advice I’ve heard you give.  You think people go into the hole working for Jones, how much in the hole would you be if you went indy first. 

The indies on this board who think indy is the ONLY way to run a biz irritate me.  You people think you have all the answers and that the rest of us are stupid for working for "the man."  You have the same radical mentality you had when you used to work for Jones.  Your kool aid is just a different flavor.   

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Spiff for what it's worth I think it would be quite foolish for someone to try to start out indy, unless they were to do so under the mentorship of a very successful practitioner who was willing to spend measureable time with them.

Indy is by no means the only way to run a biz, but if you want independence from "the man" it is probably the best way.  For many of us we're just so darn happy with indy life we can't fathom why others would stay in an employee status.

Hey in the end it's all about what makes you happy and allows you to pay the bills.  Give it a few more years, indy, and perhaps you'll see it our way.  Or maybe you'll be a lifer.

For what it’s worth, Spiff, I don’t think you’re stupid for working for Jones, or

the man, or whomever.



I think you’re stupid for a whole 'nother reason(s).

This thread turned into a slug fest.

[quote=goforbroke]

When they focus on customer service, they learn not to question customers: customers might be insulted over that. 

[quote=goforbroke]

Actually we're all aliases here, aren't we?

Re: sales, working in any job with customer contact is a good start for getting sales experience and people skills (includes fastfood, telemarketing (cold calls) and even pushing candybars in highschool.  It's really a lot of effort for a job where you don't know if you will make any money.  Luckily, I'm already a good producer with selling insurance; don't think I'd be doing that well if I were an fa, though. 

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I don't think so, either.

If your milkshake is undrinkable because its full of french fries they will make you another one. Same thing if you put a hamburger in it.

 You are one crazy mo. I don't suppose you actually tested this theory.