[quote=Starka]I'm a retired Navy Captain (O-6).  A fair part of my Naval service was in submarines.  It's fair to say that I've forgotten more about security (among other things) than you'll ever know.[/quote]

Congratulations.  A Navy Captain...unfortunately you are ignorant of the fact the most CTs and ISs have access to at least as much information as you.  Call up NSG and have a chat.

Submarines?  That explains a lot.  Send 90 men out...45 couples come back.

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[quote=Starka]I'm a retired Navy Captain (O-6).  A fair part of my Naval service was in submarines.  It's fair to say that I've forgotten more about security (among other things) than you'll ever know.[/quote]

Congratulations.  A Navy Captain...unfortunately you are ignorant of the fact the most CTs and ISs have access to at least as much information as you.  Call up NSG and have a chat.

Submarines?  That explains a lot.  Send 90 men out...45 couples come back.

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Wow, when I started reading this thread I came to think little of this metellno person. Now, after this latest post, I've found my opinion of him was STILL too high.

Still one more subject to include in your “Portfolio of Ignorance”!  (Couldn’t qualify for the boats, huh?  Well, we only accepted the top 25%.)

[quote=Starka]Still one more subject to include in your "Portfolio of Ignorance"!  (Couldn't qualify for the boats, huh?  Well, we only accepted the top 25%.)[/quote]

And to think I was the top 1% and they said "Oh my God...we've got a Nuke!"  And I said "No thanks."

Aye, Aye, shipmate.

Ah…you’re not quite good enough to be MY shipmate.

[quote=Starka]Ah.....you're not quite good enough to be MY shipmate.[/quote]

I know.  You already have a boyfriend.  I assume you did your full 20...most of it on a submarine...no females...quality time with your yeoman...LMAO

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[quote=Starka]Ah.....you're not quite good enough to be MY shipmate.[/quote]

I know.  You already have a boyfriend.  I assume you did your full 20...most of it on a submarine...no females...quality time with your yeoman...LMAO

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Sounds like menotell should drop the obvious denial and embrace his true desires.

Wow, this is a popular topic.

If one has or is currently serving as an officer or enlisted they deserve respect. If a person supports the military and our country they deserve respect. As for clearance there are many factors on who would have access to more knowledge. Often someone with a top secret clearance studies charts, maps and secret data or documents. Now another person who is intelligent and spends time researching a topic could know 10 times more relevent information then a top secret guy.

Hey ladies and gents I am amazed the intelligent people often state the facts, while others attack the person stating the facts. This is why more and more of the dems believe their party left them. Can anyone tell me what the Democrats position is on any issues? As a party they are all over the place.

"Can anyone tell me what the Democrats position is on any issues?"

Sure, this one's easy;

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 The purpose of our government is not to force one persons beleifs on other people. Republicans seem to love to do this in the name of "Morality"

Democrats may seem to be all over the place to closed minded individuals, that care about only themselves. But this is America, There are all kinds of different people that make up this land. Not everybody is a Nascar driving, gun toting jesus freak.

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 The purpose of our government is not to force one persons beleifs on other people. Republicans seem to love to do this in the name of "Morality"

Democrats may seem to be all over the place to closed minded individuals, that care about only themselves. But this is America, There are all kinds of different people that make up this land. Not everybody is a Nascar driving, gun toting jesus freak.

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It takes a special kind of person to, in the same post, to pat one's self on the back for not being "closed minded" and then to label others as "Nascar driving, gun toting jesus freak[s]".

Nevershort that is classic.

As much as welfare was an issue the current social security system is even worse. Daily more benefits are added.

The idiots who question the personal spending accouts are complete morons. EXAMPLE: Unions who fight this idea are investing their money in the stock market. Government employees have used the TSP for 20+ years with an annual average return over 6% compared to 1.6 in Social Security.

Recently I heard this guy state social security pays 0%. What he was saying was if a taxpayer makes 50k and pays 6% to Social Security after 40 years that would be 120,000 invested. Well if they collect 1200 a month it would take at least 10 years to get principal back. Now if one was to die before 10 years their family would not get the money so in turn you were never paid a dime in interest.

I thought that was an interesting point.

I used to work in an auto customizing shop in college - and we had the big (well big back then) 22-24" chrome wheels for SUVs.

Every single person who asked about them either paid cash (some wheels over $8000 to go on an 80s Caprice that was worth about $10) or was waiting to save up their Social Security disability checks or welfare. 

Now when kids are at home with parents who dont work (atleast they had a lot of free time to look at wheel books everyday) I dont think it is a wise investment to use welfare cash to buy wheels for the family car.

And really I dont care if its a democrat or republican - I am voting for the next candidate who will reform this nonsense

Good Luck with that Juiced.  As far as I can see it has hit critical mass in this country and the "blame-society-what-can-I get-for-free" crowd has taken over.   Any politician who told it like it really is will never get elected now. 

Just look at Bush allowing an open boarder.  If he were to cut it off like he should the left would scream bloody murder.  I also totally agree with execjock.  Who with any ounce of thought could agrue against ss reform.

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

I have employees from below the border and they are good people.

We need immigrants to plant trees and pick crops. Now Bush said lets keep tabs on them and charge them taxes. There is no way to completly remove aliens from our society when they make one dollar a day in their country and a few hundred in America. So we need to track them and make them pay taxes.

Part of the whole problem with welfare/social services is the American attitude towards debt and money. Americans in general are fat and happy. In general they dont remember when times were tough. You have a society saying wow teachers have it rough.

Teacher unions were ready to say no to homework when Gov Schwarzenegger only gave them a 3 billion dollar increase instead of 5 billion. If only the working class had the issues of a yearly 5% raise, guarenteed job and 3 months off in the summer. WOW teachers have it rough!

This is why foreign people come here they save and buy a business and make it work. They work 100 hour weeks in the gas station or on the phone to make it work. They live in subpar housing and dont go a couple of hundred thousand in debt with a brand new house, three new cars and all the goodies.

Now this is not to say I am going to work 100 hours a week, but I am frugal. I think outside the box since I have a lot of friends who are from East Europe, Russia and Mexico.

Its amazing to think only 10 years ago many from East Europe and Russia stood in line for bread and meat. On top of that they were able to get fruit one day a year.. That day was New Years.