What is this the school yard? As for insults, go re-read my post. Not once did I insult you before you came claimed "non-profit work is little real world experience." I stand by my comment because a person who sits on boards should not beiieve that employees of that non-profit are lacking real world experience. That was just a glimpse in to your mentality.

I know you are a failure and that your grammar and spelling are atrocious.



I gave my personal opinion of non-profit employees and volunteers (although I have never been paid by a non-profit, I have volunteered and not just in a board capacity). But twice I wished you the best of luck in that post and you decided to insult me instead.



You gave us information on your past, BOY. What I was trying to tell you is that your non-profit experience does not translate in to what I term the real world. That is an opinion. There is a difference between opinions and facts. My definition of “real-world” is different than yours.



I never threatened violence. It’s the internet. We use words here. Preferably words that make a coherent sentence and that are spelled correctly.

Whoa, whoa, whoa…cooler heads will always prevail.  Moraen, you did give quite the left jab to the chin w/the “Your work doesn’t really constitute real world experience, but good luck anyways!” comment.  I think anyone who read that felt the singe of condescendingness there, but anyways its the internet.  Who cares?

Unbelievable. You are upset that I got the better of you. But the insult came from you; I guess that is a matter of opinion as well. As for my grammar, I agree that I was not careful and did not bother stay within proper English guidelines. It is, after all, just the internet.

You state that you have an opinion what the "real world" is, but never bother to define it. I simply said that having more responsibilities at older age would allow me to empathize with prospective clients a little more. I understand that other younger people overcame that, but I didn't. Of course there were other factors that I have tried to correct.

If you wish to call me a failure to make yourself feel better, go ahead. But I have helped hundreds of families find a better life. I have helped men and women find employment, helped low- income high school seniors apply for scholarships and financial aid. I assure you that those families would not call me a failure. 

Do you give me a hard time simply because I was in the field six years ago? Or do you give everybody wanting to enter the field of financial services a hard time?

Again you throw insults while hiding behind a screen name.

I give everybody entering the financial services industry a hard time. The reason: This is a hard business. Very hard.



Yes, real world experience does include raising children and marriage. Or even without being married.



It doesn’t make me feel any better to call you a failure. Facts seldom cause me to have any sort of emotional reaction. They are facts, after all.



I’m pretty sure you did not get the better of me.



You want to talk about helping families? Ok, here you go. I was in the Army infantry. I spent thirteen months in Iraq helping people. In addition, because of my educational and work history, I was given the task of requesting all monies for infrastructure rebuilding. I wrote more CERPS requests and garnered more money for our brigade than all of the brigades in Iraq. We dug tons of wells, built sixteen schools, and destroyed thousands of unexploded ordinance. We raised money for children who could not get their medical needs met to go to the United States and get the best care possible. Low income kids? The definition does not exist in this country. Our poorest have more access than these children. I did all of that in thirteen months.



All of this, while bleeding, fighting and hoping that our efforts were not in vain. I’ve had to watch helplessly as people who have saved my life died before I could save theirs. I have been shot at, stabbed, shocked and deafened. I am ninety percent disabled from war injuries.



Most non-profits exist in their own little world, with their own little focus. At the end of the day, you go home to your family and say, “this is the good I’ve done”. The “real” world is much more complex than that. It is sacrifice. Compromise. Lack of control. Struggle to survive. Hardship. Love so deep that it is painful. Untimely loss of family and friends. It is dealing with the realities of YOUR world, not that of some “disadvantaged” person.



Another key word, “whole”.   I said that it wasn’t a whole lot of real world experience. I didn’t say none. Non-profits are isolated within the function that they serve. ESPECIALLY the workers and volunteers.



Now, while I was fighting, bleeding and watching my brothers die, what were you doing? Were you there to greet us when we got off of the plane? Were you there at the funerals that I could not attend? Did you help my buddy’s daughter and son pay for college?



I will call you a failure not because you failed those families, because you obviously didn’t. I call you a failure only in the context of this business. Which you did. Maybe it was your youth. But I doubt it. There are people that started in this business younger than when you graduated college and are still in it. It is tough. It is hard.



And when you have a bad day, you don’t get to go home to your family and say, “I REALLY REALLY tried to help this kid get a scholarship. What’s for dinner?”. Because you only get paid if you close.



How is my having a screen name any different than yours?

You guys are nuts.  I’m new here, full disclosure.  But seriously… supposedly experienced, financial professionals that manage MILLIONS of dollars for clients?  And people sit on these boards and poke fun at each other like children.

I never insulted your military career. I used the "trenches" and you spun the word to insinuate that I am insulting the military. That was never my intention, that is a Political/FOX news SPIN tactic. I have the utmost respect for anyone who served in the military. And yes, I have helped veterans, their children, fundraisers for those returning. Coincidently, that was as a volunteer. I thank you for your service. But do not look down on me because my path was different.

Tenacious, I appreciate your drive.  I encourage you to give it  your best shot and prove the skeptics wrong.

[quote=tenacious]

I never insulted your military career. I used the “trenches” and you spun the word to insinuate that I am insulting the military. That was never my intention, that is a Political/FOX news SPIN tactic. I have the utmost respect for anyone who served in the military. And yes, I have helped veterans, their children, fundraisers for those returning. Coincidently, that was as a volunteer. I thank you for your service. But do not look down on me because my path was different.

I will bury it right now. Good luck to you tenacious.[/quote]

[quote=tenacious]

 Political/FOX news SPIN tactic. [/quote]

in many ways, Jones is just like a non-profit.
except, unlike a non-profit, people who don’t do the work get fired.

at least, you’re going to love the technology!

[quote=chief123]I hate to be blunt, but everyone and their mother has decided the last time they tried to be an advisor and they didn’t make it was for some reason beyond their control…[/quote]

I would be a successful advisor today if it wasn’t for my field trainer, Elmer Fudd…

So, I got a call from MSSB today and decided to do a little research on the new culture- post merger. Reading this thread has been like watching a VH1 reality show (or perhaps a “newscast” from Glenn Beck).  I got in this crazy business when I was 21 and managed to scrape together five plus years of MDRT and $120K+ earnings before deciding that I needed a change. Stepped into the other “real world” of B2B sales and have spent the last 2+ years watching companies crumble while I worked 70hr weeks. Life throws some crazy curve balls to people who are busting their balls and the sales world is pretty retarded- always acts like things happen in a vacuum (ex: “yes, boy, your company went under but a good salesman still gets the job done”). Pardon my tangent- back to Tenacious- what I recall about many of the top producers from my past (not telling where I was because some idiot will focus on that, when I know what I am about to say is true across the industry) is that none of them could really explain how they became successful. I know that some of them worked their asses off for years to get where they were, but the majority of them combined some hard work with a lot of luck. As you look behind the egos and curtains, you start seeing that Jim or John or Tucker had a very wealthy family that naturally spent their time with other wealthy families. The webs get thicker along with their tall tales. You never get the truth or good advice because this industry works just like politics- the blowhards take all the credit for the successes that occurred on their watch and blame the last guy for any failures. Essentially, it is full of George Bush types.

If you want back in, trust your intuition and don’t look for anybody else to guide you until they start writing business in your name.

[quote=crossroads]So, I got a call from MSSB today and decided to do a little research on the new culture- post merger. Reading this thread has been like watching a VH1 reality show (or perhaps a “newscast” from Glenn Beck).  I got in this crazy business when I was 21 and managed to scrape together five plus years of MDRT and $120K+ earnings before deciding that I needed a change. Stepped into the other “real world” of B2B sales and have spent the last 2+ years watching companies crumble while I worked 70hr weeks. Life throws some crazy curve balls to people who are busting their balls and the sales world is pretty retarded- always acts like things happen in a vacuum (ex: “yes, boy, your company went under but a good salesman still gets the job done”). Pardon my tangent- back to Tenacious- what I recall about many of the top producers from my past (not telling where I was because some idiot will focus on that, when I know what I am about to say is true across the industry) is that none of them could really explain how they became successful. I know that some of them worked their asses off for years to get where they were, but the majority of them combined some hard work with a lot of luck. As you look behind the egos and curtains, you start seeing that Jim or John or Tucker had a very wealthy family that naturally spent their time with other wealthy families. The webs get thicker along with their tall tales. You never get the truth or good advice because this industry works just like politics- the blowhards take all the credit for the successes that occurred on their watch and blame the last guy for any failures. Essentially, it is full of George Bush types.

If you want back in, trust your intuition and don’t look for anybody else to guide you until they start writing business in your name.
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Your mix of ignorant political jabs with your complaining and whining makes this post almost unreadable.  What’s funny is you probably believe you left someone some positive advice. Personally, I want my minute and 40 seconds back…I could have made 5 dials…right! Fred Garvin!!!

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