Religion and politics in the same topic conversation. Let’s throw some abortion in, get a little fired up with church and state. Let’s call up a few of our clients and see what they think. If you think politicians are here to help the masses or “fix” things you’re crazy. If you gave them a broken clock they’d spend 50x what it would cost to replace it, not fix it, and then tell you it’s spot on twice a day, and say we have bigger fish to fry. Or what they would really do is start a “think tank” about how to take people’s minds off the health care or global warming issues. In the end the new guy would raise his/her hand and say, “let’s just f*ck up the economy again,” and call it a day.



Why drive yourself crazy with ranting about what’s wrong with our gov’t or country and spend more time figuring ou how to make clients and ourselves money at the idiocracy of the people in charge.



And if that doesn’t work, brush up on uour Mandarin and not so much on your Espanol.

[quote=Milyunair][quote=Still@jones]The abortion issue is quite complex. I was hoping we would bash Palin some more.

The Catholic church is against all abortions and birth control methods. They believe you should let your wife die so your child will live. Stupid child molesters!
[/quote]…If Palin is wrong or weak, why would you get pleasure out of attacking her? That seems to rob your “liberal” viewpoint of spirituality or morality or reason.[/quote]
I do not think I am liberal…I like freedom and money; all my beliefs have their roots in one of these.

I believe we benefit every time we raise the bar for any politicians…this isn’t the Special Olympics; everyone doesn’t get a medal… I want my leaders to be sharp and polished and I want them to know their sht better than anyone else. Palin was an embarrassment. Biden might say alot of dumb things, but he knows his sht. 

The Catholic church will change their “beliefs” if it attracts more members or money…just like any other church. It’s a business. I have a friend who went to Catholic school; she said she was taught that if she is raped and gets pregnant, she should do the right thing and have the baby. 

[quote=Conrad Dobler]

[quote=52new]And I will preface my ststements by stating that I am a Vietnam era veteran, and until recently very conservative. .[/quote]

You know what’s coming when you read that sort of garbage preface….

[quote=52new]To begin with, the most dangerous group in the world right now, is the evangelical christian conservative republican. [/quote]

I’m not fan of the evangelical wing of conservatives, but you’re out of your mind. Call me when they start flying jetliners into buildings and videotaping beheadings of nonbelievers.

BTW, the concept that you USED to be a conservative, but now you’re turned off by “evangelical christian conservative”[s]. a group whose power within the GOP has been in decline since the days of the Moral Majority in the 1980s, is ridiculous.

[quote=52new]At least now, we have the foundation to build a single payor system that is much more cost efficient…[/quote]

There’s nothing necessarily “evangelical christian conservative” in rejecting the idea of giving 1/5 of the US economy and all choice in our healthcare to the same people that do such a bang-up job with the DMV, the VA, The IRS and the DHS.

[quote=Moraen] As for Palin, …… She’s not any dumber than Biden. [/quote]

True dat……

[quote=52new]



Too ignorant to justify a reply. [/quote]



Yet you replied. Poser.

[quote=anonymous]Primo,  I hear you.  I think that there are lots of valid sides to this argument.   One of the things with laws is that they must be able to handle the 2% of cases and not just the 98%.  IMO, laws should skew towards the 98%.  There are some homicides that are justified, why not make homicide legal?  IMO, rape, incest, health of the mother are difficult emotional issues used to justify killing a person for the purposes of birth control the vast majority of the time.   

I’ve been reading a number of conservative posts. And I will preface my ststements by stating that I am a Vietnam era veteran, and until recently very conservative. But there comes a time when we have to remove the red white and blue glasses and see this country for what it is. To begin with, the most dangerous group in the world right now, is the evangelical christian conservative republican. My reasoning for that statement include two unnecessary wars and our current economic debacle. The idiotic reaction to national healthcare reform is further proof of the foolishness and evil of that group. We consider ourselves to be the strongest military in the world,as if that’s something to be proud of. The fact is that we have never won a war, and lost or are losing wars to third world countries for the last 50+ years. We haven’t a clue how to deal with other cultures, mainly because we haven’t much culture ourselves. We constantly piss and moan about not having enough, while we get fat and sick from having too much. As a country, we have a long way to go. Yet, instead of making real cultural and spiritual headway, we obediently follow self serving demogogues in the name of jesus. Action that would have him turning in his grave.