Crazy? Maybe, Maybe Not
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Morphius, I didn’t see your post when I posted. I should just stop posting and say I agree with everything that you post on all subjects.
I was sitting with a client who, coincidentally is a member of the greatest generation, and the client says I can't vote for Obama- I wouldn't vote for a black person. My first thought wasn't OMG is this person is way off base. No, my firstt thought was, "Oh yeah, Obama is black." That's how far removed his skin color is from my thought process. And IMO that's how far it should be removed from everyone's thought process. It shouldn't be an issue.
Yet we have people who are convinced that life as we know it will come to an end if he's elected. I don't see that. It's not a prevelant thought process here in the Northeast. Now i do beleive life as we know it is coming to an end. We being the white majority in this country. But it's not Barack or black people who are bringing it. It's the mexicans. They are coming, need a generation or two to get to power and they don't like white people. Yeah, you could say that's a racist comment, but it's also a fact. Just listen to Mexican leaders telling their citizens in the USA to keep having babies. It doesn't take a lot of computer power to do the math on that on. America, in a generation or two will be a very different place. Will it be a better place? I don't think it will be better for white people. Maybe i'm wrong. But by then i'll be the 90 year old racist in the nursing home. Babs, good take on racism, i wanted to post something similar but couldn't get it formulated and definately wouldn't have put as well as you did. Still, I disagree with you on Obama. And I'm not seeing any of the freedom of speech issues you see. Primo, I agree with much of what you say, minorities being insular etc, but even if Obama defines himself as an African American first I'm not seeing a dangerous situation. And i too am going by experience. I work in Philly (YEAH PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!) and we just lived through one of the most racist regimes in American history, the John Street administration. Street was mayor of Philly for eight years. And during that time there was only one color-black. His chief of staff put it best"It's our turn." It was ugly and he was a polarizing figure in many ways. Then comes the next election, street can't run, so we get Mike Nutter. Nutter is black. But not a racist black like Street. The business climate is returning to normal. No longer do vendors looking to do biz with the city need to hire black "consultants" just to get an audience with the mayor. So, Primo, I see your concern, but view Obama the same way I view Nutter, a good politician who happens to be black.BG If you work in Philly and Pennsylvania, you might be interested in Obama’s stated plan to bankrupt the coal industry and any businesses that use coal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ Since a good portion of electricity in your area comes from coal and the price of electricity is due to go up not only the coal industry will be purposely bankrupted by Obama. Nice economic plan? The man is a dangerous ideologue and if you vote for him you deserve every bit of misery that his administration is planning to rain down on not just "whitey" but every single soul in this country and possibly the world. Raising corporate taxes, raising capital gains taxes, raising income taxes while proposing massive massive social engineering give away programs. They (the Dimwit Dems) are also planning to take over 401K plans http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102082/posts If that doesn't scare you. How about his proposed "civilian national security force" similar that in Cuba and Venezuela to make sure that we all toe the line. Brown Shirts, anyone? He proposes to fund this as much or more than our actual military. http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2318 http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html http://www.babalublog.com/archives/009042.html How about those forced hours of "community service" that your children will be dragooned into performing. In Cuba children are mandated to go to camps in the countryside away from their family and are "educated" http://www.cubaverdad.net/social_control_starts_at_school.htm absolute control by the Communist party will begin in elementary school with the so-called "Cumulative School File." This is a little like a report card, but it is not limited to academic achievements. It measures "revolutionary integration," not only of the student but also of his family. This file documents whether or not the child and family participate in mass demonstrations, or whether they belong to a church or religious group. The file accompanies the child for life, and is continually updated. His university options will depend on what that file says. If he does not profess a truly Marxist life, he will be denied many career possibilities.These ideas are also those of Ayers regarding "education is revolution" http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308271974461547 Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children in the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive." The man is dangerous dangerous dangerous. If you vote for him. You deserve your fate.
Babs,
I can tell you’re passionate about all this. But do you really think that sort of rhetoric is going to change the opinion of anyone on this message board? Or are you merely trying to express how passionate you are about this? You can’t have both.
Why not? If I'm passionate about it, it is because I see a very bleak future for our country, my children and grandchildren. If I change one person's mind that would be great. It also gives me the right to say I told you so to blind fools who refuse to see.Babs,
I can tell you’re passionate about all this. But do you really think that sort of rhetoric is going to change the opinion of anyone on this message board? Or are you merely trying to express how passionate you are about this? You can’t have both.
[quote=anonymous]Morphius, I didn’t see your post when I posted. I should just stop posting and say I agree with everything that you post on all subjects.[/quote]
I take that as quite a compliment, given the source. I guess great minds really DO think alike!
What I find refreshing about this particular discussion is seeing people of differing viewpoints debating the IDEAS rather than simply attacking the person. That gets boring fast.
Well, unless it’s putsy.
(Just kidding, puts! Mostly. I think.)
gvf, here is the definition of rhetoric:Babs,
I can tell you’re passionate about all this. But do you really think that sort of rhetoric is going to change the opinion of anyone on this message board? Or are you merely trying to express how passionate you are about this? You can’t have both.
Definitions of rhetoric on the Web:
using language effectively to please or persuade grandiosity: high-flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation; "the grandiosity of his prose"; "an excessive ornateness of language" palaver: loud and confused and empty talk; "mere rhetoric"What Babs was saying in her last post was NOT rhetoric, they were facts. Rhetoric is chanting "Change, Change, Change..." over and over. Obama is a master of rhetoric, but every once in a while, he shows his true colors and says the things that Babs mentioned.
However, I do agree that this will not change most liberals' minds. For that to happen, they would actually have to pay attention to the facts!Putsy, You must have been one strong manager of brokerage offices! After all, predicating an investment strategy on conjecture about potential future tax law changes wouldn’t, in any way, conflict with any compliance or sales practice guidelines in our business. Great idea, you are a man truly ahead of your time!
If an old man who uses the N-word is a racist what is somebody who
lynches a black guy, or chains a black guy to a trailer hitch and drags
him till his body comes apart?
Jeane is a 34 year old mother of two. On the way home from her mother's house, after taking the kids trick or treating, her mini van runs out of gas on a busy two lane highway. Jeane gets the van safely to the shoulder, only now remembering she was on fumes eariler. It's dark and it's now started to rain. She looks for her cell phone and can't find it. She puts on the flashers and waits for the police. A half hour passes and no police. She gets out of the car and stands behind it in an effort to flag down a passing motorist. She's incredulous that driver after driver just ignores her. Even more so when one blows his horn at her and cat calls out the window as he speeds past. Finally after another 20 minutes a car pulls over. The man offers her his phone, she calls her husband. The man stays with Jeane and her kids until her husband arrives.
The next day at the office Jeane recounts the story to her co- workers. "I was cold and drenched. I was ready to give up when, finally, this black guy pulls over to help me." Is Jeane's comment racist or only descriptive?[quote=BondGuy]
Jeane is a 34 year old mother of two. On the way home from her mother's house, after taking the kids trick or treating, her mini van runs out of gas on a busy two lane highway. Jeane gets the van safely to the shoulder, only now remembering she was on fumes eariler. It's dark and it's now started to rain. She looks for her cell phone and can't find it. She puts on the flashers and waits for the police. A half hour passes and no police. She gets out of the car and stands behind it in an effort to flag down a passing motorist. She's incredulous that driver after driver just ignores her. Even more so when one blows his horn at her and cat calls out the window as he speeds past. Finally after another 20 minutes a car pulls over. The man offers her his phone, she calls her husband. The man stays with Jeane and her kids until her husband arrives.
The next day at the office Jeane recounts the story to her co- workers. "I was cold and drenched. I was ready to give up when, finally, this black guy pulls over to help me." Is Jeane's comment racist or only descriptive? [/quote] Not racist. Would it be heightist if she had said "... this tall guy pulls over ..."?Is Jeane’s comment racist or only descriptive?
Descriptive. What if it was an Amish guy? Would this be a religous slam? How about if a woman stopped? Sexist. Fat guy? Weightist. Mexican, Asian, Midget? Circus Clown? I guess in your world we aren't supposed to notice or remark on anything about anybody for fear that we are racists or some other "ist". Welcome to the Big Brother society under Obama. What a tool.It's racist to the exact same extent that saying "black guy" is sexist.
Both "Black" and "guy" are descriptive. If she said that he only stopped because he was black then it would have been racist or he only stopped because he was a guy then it would have been sexist.
I can’t believe where this topic went just because Morphius decided to distort my comment to justify a bitch-athon.
Let's just kill this topic and it's needless lunacy. PS. Babs, get some psychiatric help.It's all about you, isn't it ana? Tell us - is the atmosphere really more dense at the center of the universe where you live? Or is it just you? [quote=anabuhabkuss]Let's just kill this topic and it's needless lunacy.[/quote] Perhaps you would grace us with your list of ana-approved topics and threads? Or here's an alternative: you could simply choose to ignore those threads that fail your taste test. It will be challenging, but I'm confident the rest of us will figure out some way to continue the discussion without you. We wait with rapt anticipation for your next royal pronouncements as to which generations you deem moral and which threads you judge worthwhile.I can’t believe where this topic went just because Morphius decided to distort my comment to justify a bitch-athon.
How about you get to work, piker? Better use of your time than your irrelevant and baseless assumptions about me, how I think or my past. How’s that for self centeredness?
Now you not only want to control what posts are worthy, but who participates. Classic. Thanks so much for your concern for how I choose to spend part of my lunch break. Perhaps if you took your own advice to heart your concern would mean something, as you apparently find time to post to tell me that I am a piker for finding time to post. Very astute. Yawn.How about you get to work, piker? Better use of your time than your irrelevant and baseless assumptions about me, how I think or my past. How’s that for self centeredness?
gvf, here is the definition of rhetoric:[quote=gvf]Babs,
I can tell you’re passionate about all this. But do you really think that sort of rhetoric is going to change the opinion of anyone on this message board? Or are you merely trying to express how passionate you are about this? You can’t have both.
Definitions of rhetoric on the Web:
using language effectively to please or persuade grandiosity: high-flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation; "the grandiosity of his prose"; "an excessive ornateness of language" palaver: loud and confused and empty talk; "mere rhetoric"What Babs was saying in her last post was NOT rhetoric, they were facts. Rhetoric is chanting "Change, Change, Change..." over and over. Obama is a master of rhetoric, but every once in a while, he shows his true colors and says the things that Babs mentioned.
However, I do agree that this will not change most liberals' minds. For that to happen, they would actually have to pay attention to the facts![/quote]Indy,
Rhetoric is a bit more complicated than that (anyone in this business must know that by now). Rhetoric also has to do with: ethos, pathos, and logos. I was not insinuating her post was excessive or empty. I was merely suggesting that her style of argument is probably not productive/persuasive given her desired outcome.
Disclosure: I was a rhetoric major in college.
Disclosure: I was a rhetoric major in college.
With a basket weaving minor? Just kidding. I was an Anthropology Major with a minor in Ceramics. I really wasn't deluded that I would be changing anyone's mind.Let me take these in order:
Put: What do you think it makes a person who murders someone? The old guy using the N word is a racist. If that's all he does then that's all he is. Babs: Sorry sweetie, we've already got big brother under your boy Bush. It's called Real ID. As a fist pounding conservative you know all about this. You remember- the conservatives were chanting their normal "no more government mantra" until someone flew an airplane into a building. That ended that! Now conservatives can't get enough big government. They got real liberal real fast. "Here take all my rights away. I'll gladly trade them if only you protect me from the big bad terrorist." That would be Real ID. I chuckle whenever I hear conservatives speak out against big government. Government couldn't get big enough fast enough to protect their rich fat asses. What a joke! Back on the racist question, the question posed by my scenerio is just that, a question. It doesn't forward an opinion one way or the other. It's purposely vague and only intended to provoke thought. This question predates Obama being on the national scene by at least a generation. So too, it is not Obama specific. ANON- My answer to the question is we don't have enough information to make a judgement. That Jeane used race as an identifyer would probably be viewed by many as a racial tendency. Why did she pick race to define this guy when it had nothing to do with the story? She didn't define him by his stature, his clothing, his car or any other trait. Only by his race. Many of you may believe this is ridiculous-it's not. Assuming Jeane is caucasian would she say" this white guy stopped?" No, we all know she wouldn't do that. Unless it had something to do with the story it would sound ridiculous. She might pick out some other characteristic, if it was important to the story. Yet everyday we get into conversations where people, for no reason relative to the subject at hand, define those different than they by their race. That in itself doesn't make them racists. But why race? Something to think about.