Very philosophical. You’re just full of good b.s.

It's a bottomless well spring!

Mr. A

[quote=babbling looney]

That said, I disagree, there is only one peace,

That's not true.  There are nuances to peace and prices to pay and trade offs for having peace.

It may be a peaceful society where women are forbidden to walk the streets without the escort of a male relative and are forbidden from wearing anything that exposes a square inch of skin.  That is a peace that I wouldn't be very happy with.

You could claim it is peaceful because all of the undesireable people have been removed from society.

It was very peaceful on the mental ward after Randle McMurphy was lobotomized.

Saying there is only one peace is like saying there is only one kind of ice cream.    We know that to be false.

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There's more than one kind of ice cream?

Since when is tyranny peace? In any form?

[quote=mranonymous2u]

Bab,

Peace itself is peace itself. There are varying degrees of non-peace.

Thanks for making my point.  Your definition of peace and the conditions that make "peace" is not necessarily mine.  Therefore there is not "one peace" as Bond Guy asserts.

Right within your explicaion shows that the acceptance of the idea of the ideal.

We can all disagree over how best to acheive peace, what peace is worth and so on, but peace is peace.

By who's definition?  "Peace in our time" certainly meant different things to different people.  Maybe I think it is peaceful if all the dogs in the neighborhood were euthanized.  (You can take this as a crude analogy to the Jews, Germany, and the willful ignorance of the German people about the death camps) while you think that it is a horrible thing and don't mind the barking of dogs at night. 

Maybe the teachers who advocate drugging disruptive children to achieve peace in the classroom think this is a good idea. Maybe the children who are chemical zombies don't really like this definition of peace.

It's not like ice cream, it's like Black, or White. Black is the absence of all color. White is the absolute harmony of all colors. Between them are infinite shades of gray. But that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as Black or such a thing as White.

Sure, it is like ice cream.  If we say that ice cream represents "Peace" then there are many flavors of peace from pistachio to rocky road.  I may not like pistachio and would not confuse it with rocky road, but they are both defined as ice cream.   You cannot assert that there is one "Peace" when my comfort with your definition of peace is not the same as yours with it.

The absence of conflict or war does NOT necessarily equate with peace.  That is much to simplistic a world view.  Unfortunately it is that simplistic view that is espoused by the left wing that will ensure that we never achieve real peace......by MY definition.

Mr. A

BTW:  I am not advocating killing all the dogs  or any thing else.  Just making analogies.   However, we need to be aware that there are people out there who do advocate these types of actions.   Can we say IRAN and "Imanutjob" the President.

And to answer Bond Guy.   Of course there is more than one kind of ice cream.  Yogurt, Fat Free, Sugar Free, Sorbet, Italian Gellato.  Not to mention the various flavors.  If you say ice cream, or PEACE, then you need to be aware that there are many varieties of each.

Tyranny is peace if you are the tyrant or you agree with and profit by the tyranny.

Done debating..... going on a mini vacation.  Have fun.

So if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?

"MY definition."

Please, tell us what that definition is.

Please don't use word's like "peaceful" in your definition.

Mr. A  

[quote=joedabrkr]So if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? [/quote]

In Bab's neck of the woods, yes.

Unless it falls into a pile of ice cream.

Mr. A

Almost forgot

"(You can take this as a crude analogy to the Jews, Germany, and the willful ignorance of the German people about the death camps) "

GODWIN"S LAW!

You lose!

That girl bes funny, I don't care who you are!!

Mr. A

" If we say that ice cream represents "Peace" then there are many flavors of peace from pistachio to rocky road."

"We" didn't say ice cream represents "Peace" you did. Just because you did, doesn't mean we have to "Grasp" it.

The gammut of ice cream flavors runs from Pistachio all the way to Rocky Road? Where in this spectrum would one find vanilla? Are all flavors of ice cream nut inclusive? What about strawberry?

That girl funny!

Ha Ha AND Peculiar!

Mr. A

[quote=mranonymous2u]

[quote=joedabrkr]So if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? [/quote]

In Bab's neck of the woods, yes.

Unless it falls into a pile of ice cream.

Mr. A

[quote=mranonymous2u]

" If we say that ice cream represents “Peace” then there are many flavors of peace from pistachio to rocky road."

"We" didn't say ice cream represents "Peace" you did. Just because you did, doesn't mean we have to "Grasp" it.

The gammut of ice cream flavors runs from Pistachio all the way to Rocky Road? Where in this spectrum would one find vanilla? Are all flavors of ice cream nut inclusive? What about strawberry?

That girl funny!

Ha Ha AND Peculiar!

Mr. A

"Slice of pie, Peace of Cake!"

What's that one from? I'll give you a hint, The character was played by John Lithgow, and another hint, he was speaking to a Russian. (of course he didn't say Peace of cake , but you know what is meant).

Mr.A

It was a sequel to one of the most popular movies of all time.

Mr. A

"He is not, however, a German shepherd"

DOGWIN'S LAW

You SLOT!

For all you Dyslexic Agnostics out there!

Mr. A

And several butcher's aprons

The larch

Bring out your dead

[quote=mranonymous2u]

“He is not, however, a German shepherd”

DOGWIN'S LAW

You SLOT!

For all you Dyslexic Agnostics out there!

Mr. A

You guys are out of control.

I believe that true peace is neither black nor white nor grey....true peace is outside the realm of the tension of opposites, which govern our very perception and limited capacity for comprehension...therefore, like the tao, cannot really be spoken of...only alluded to. 

Example, in the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, prior to their 'fall' were considered to be at peace (I like to think of the state of peace internally as a state of Amorality)...then they ate from the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil and through their new comprehension were bound by it's constant, incessant swings between extremes and resulting LACK of peace.  Peace to me implies the ultimate constant.

Light requires dark to have contrast, therefore without dark there is no light, without evil there is no good and as long as 'good' exists, so therefore will there be evil and therefore no 'peace' or reconcilliation between the two.

The world of entropic forces and energy cannot be at peace...our minds can only achieve momentary glimpses of what peace is like, since we will soon return to the swings of this temporal world.

Dog (or however you define the concept of grand creative source of all things) is peace and is unbound by this constantly changing unresting universe. 

There cannot be more than one peace, since peace implies a union or reconcilliation of the tension of opposites.

The Yogis of India call it 'Hatha' or union of the Sun and Moon to describe that ultimate peace.

I think you disread when you respond "that true peace is neither black nor white nor grey....true peace is outside the realm of the tension of opposites,". Intrinsic in that response is the supposition that there is a comparison between balck and white. No such connection is intended.

True Peace might be achieved by the absolute absence of stress (black) or the absolute harmony of all tensions (white). In either case the state is bliss.

Mr. A

Ah…the subtleties and inadequacies of language that only metaphor and analogy can come close to resolving.  I understand your analogy better now.  Always fun to read your posts MR. A.