What you're describing, Inquisitive, is debate.  What menotellname does is argue...."Yes I am, no you're not" kind of nonsense.  His motto seems to be, "If you can't debate, obfuscate."

Indeed, this seems to be the mantra of the less intelligent liberals.

[quote=moneyadvisor]

Regardless of affiliation, anyone would have to admit that W. has not had an easy presidency. [/quote]

Quite true.  9/11, rampant corporate fraud, recession, never-ending liberal lies and attacks from the left. 

Anti-Bush movies, CDs, concert tours, fake new stories...yet Bush still got re-elected!  And with a majority vote--something Clinton never accomplished.

[quote=moneyadvisor]

It makes me want to vomit when Dems. associate Clinton with the prosperity of the 90's.

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The internet was the driver of the 90s economy.  Not Bill Clinton.

There is not one single policy that Bill Clinton spearheaded that was responsible for the economic activity of the 1990s.  Not one.

[quote=moneyadvisor]

Since Bush got into office he has been plagued with difficult circumstances and issues. Clinton's biggest problems were ones he created. The guy was defending infidelity and a history of corruption the whole eight years.
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Well, to be honest, Clinton did have the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.  His administration's response?  Build a wall between intelligence and law enforcement and prevent them from sharing information.

Bill Clinton, Dec. 1998:

"Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons...

[quote=Starka]

What you’re describing, Inquisitive, is
debate.  What menotellname does is argue…“Yes I am, no you’re
not” kind of nonsense.  His motto seems to be, “If you can’t
debate, obfuscate.”

Indeed, this seems to be the mantra of the less intelligent liberals.

[quote=inquisitive] [quote=Starka]

What you're describing, Inquisitive, is debate.  What menotellname does is argue...."Yes I am, no you're not" kind of nonsense.  His motto seems to be, "If you can't debate, obfuscate."

Indeed, this seems to be the mantra of the less intelligent liberals.

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Well, as far as what I've said the past few days:

If you disagree with my comments, challenge them.  But don't start throwing around the label "racist" or anything else.  Because if you can't challenge the points I, or anyone else, make, then you are tacitly admitting I'm correct.


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Hmmmmmmmmm...your friend Sniper called you a bigot.  Not me.  I just happen to agree.

Beyond that, you have shown that you know nothing.  Just like your alter ego, Starka.  All I have seen you do is make a fool of yourself (again...just like your friend Starka).

"Some people, however, are afraid of the truth.  And there are some that resort to personal attacks because they can't refute what you've put forth."

I don't agree with this menotellname guy at all, BUT ascribing to race what can be explained by economic circumstances or religious belief or lack of educational opportunity is, imho, racism. That's what you did with your "can't escape genetics" comment on the other thread, and I feel no need to apologize for saying so.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Hey hey.. Bill Clinton had a lot to do with the 90's econemy. Remember how great Janet Reno was protecting his ass. Well while this was happening the corporate crooks and accountants were cooking the books, analysts were beefing up prices and brokers/dealers/funds were stealing from the customers. Ohh yeah then to show it was no big deal gave a pardon to a guy who stole 50+ million form the people.

Now more then ever I know BUSH is bad. Since he controls every military action he secretly attacked Katrina. When he did this he made the storm focus on the blacks in New Orleans. Then when the sugar hit the fan Cheeny and Bush delayed the 1000 tons of water, food and supplies to Mobile, Beloxi, Pascagula, Slydel and New Orleans..

Damn him for being so slow. He should have raised taxes 10% to cover the levies, started the draft and for every hurricane make sure 100,000 troops and convoys of troops, food and supplies are ready to go in a 2 hour notice.

Good thing is we have some wonderful people in Hollywood who know the truth. After all the media and 2 Pac Shakur know more about managing a war or the worst disaster in the past 100 years on American soil. 

How can anyone in this country like a racist man named Bush? How did he get 70% of hispanic vote in TEXAS? The Washington DC media based polls show people are mad and only 40% support Bush. On top of this we all know everyone loves Cindy Sheehan. She is a patriot with Michael Moore and moveon.org. 

I wonder how many of these people who bitch about our country have spent one minute on something productive?

Ohh yeah George Bush makes tens of millions on oil and forces the poor to buy expensive oil. I work with different people in DC and CT and it is amazing what these people tell me.

Melotonin I am going to read that budget article.. Thanks

Who ever posted the note saying debating makes one think, do research and learn is 100% right! Nice post.

Anyone who has a GED knows fact from fiction.

Social Security will fail and we need a change. http://www.socialsecuritychoice.org/archives/2005/01/democra ts_on_pe.php

Saddam the eco, bio and general terrorist: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/040816  

The one issue that ticked me off was the who Shivo case. The republicans used her and Frist is a dumb ass.

The problem is 50% of the country hates Bush since he stole election with Gore. These people know Bush is the problem, everything was great under Clinton, Michael Moore knows everything and everyone likes and supports Cindy Sheehan.  It seems these people are so close minded they dont even want to hear the truth.

The fact is BUSH won the ELECTIONS!! He is a straight shooter! He is religious and does not sleep with other women. During his terms freedom is on the move in Lybia, Pakistan, Palistine, Lebannon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afganistan. The UN has some serious issues. Social Security will fail if nothing is done. Judges should not set the law from the bench. The Democratic party has three leaders who cant stand one another (Howard Dean -- Michael Moore/Moveon.org -- Clintons)!

[quote=Sniper]

"Some people, however, are afraid of the truth.  And there are some that resort to personal attacks because they can't refute what you've put forth."

I don't agree with this menotellname guy at all, BUT ascribing to race what can be explained by economic circumstances or religious belief or lack of educational opportunity is, imho, racism. That's what you did with your "can't escape genetics" comment on the other thread, and I feel no need to apologize for saying so.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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Perhaps you should read this book ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684818868/qid =1125806987/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0899413-5203957?v=glance &s=books&n=507846) and find out the truth about the "economic circumstances" and how they can into being.

Sonny, your point is well taken, and not without merit.  However, do you suppose that when and if the revolution comes, that fact that you’re a rich liberal will give you any shelter?

I see.  So your advice is to ignore what is fair to all and just pay the tribute so the bad man won't burn down my house.

" Keeping the people engaged in common cause as opposed to dividing in order to conquer. Long term not short term."

Isn't it a shame that current black "leaders" as well as the Democrat party does the exact opposite?

" Now what we see in the guise of conservatism is something that resembles the communism of the evil empire. "

All I can say to taht is, "huh?".

"Exportation of naive idealism is an affront to capitalistic pragmatism and the American Ideal. "

I say again, "huh?".

I" come from St. Louis. A place where the most infamously dangerous projects were so far beyond repair in the seventies that they were blown up, Pruitt Igoe. The danger that emmanated from this place was due to neglect and indiference. "

No, it was due to failed liberal policies. We can discuss the details, if you want.

" The days of managing this by pitting the poor against one another based on race and competing interests is over. "

If it were the above mentioned black "leaders" and most of Democrat party would be out of jobs.

"In the words of Andre 3000... "marinate on that for a minute."

Interesting source of insight you have there. This decade's version of Abba....

Sniper,

You seem to say "huh" a lot.  Any reason why you fail to understand logic?

One reason for Sniper's inability to understand it is that it is meaningless jibberish, and not logic.

[quote=menotellname]

Sniper,

You seem to say "huh" a lot.  Any reason why you fail to understand logic?

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I understand logic completely. I also know there was no logic in the sentences I reponded to with "huh?".  (In fact, that made them much like your posts.)

However, if YOU found logic in those two sentences, how about pointing it out. We could all use a laugh.

huh.

I better start reading the bible.

Looks like 10,000 may have been a high number from the doom and gloom or libs.

[quote=Starka]

One reason for Sniper's inability to understand it is that it is meaningless jibberish, and not logic.

[/quote]

???????

The same reason baby's tend to understand each other's babble is the same reason that you and sniper understand each other.  Of course, also like babies, you and sniper don't have fully developed cognitive skills.

   I bet that hillary clinton could beat up george bush

I wonder if the buses in New Orleans were running during the election?

I am sure that the best friend of the minority (which led the state for 60 years), democrats took care of the voters on that day.

“First, The GOP has apologized for the "southern strategy." <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Who brought up the “southern strategy” and what place does the party with Robert “Klansman” Byrd as its Senate Leader have lecturing anyone on race relations?

“The Democrats had nothing to do with this. “

You mean other than the fact that solid Democrats like Fullbright voted against civil rights and were forever welcome in the Democrat folds?

”Sniper. Do you even know how to handle a weapon. Just a personal question.”

Yes. Could you get any further  from the subject without the use of drugs? Just a personal question.

”As far as the communist stuff. Don't talk about those issues you no f**k all about. The father of the Neo Con Ideal, Irving Krystol, famously adapted Trotskyite strategy to his newly found consevative politics after their conversion.”

LOL, “Trotskyite strategy”. I just love it….. such lunacy. Another goofy, he-must-be-high line to defend a pervious WTF comment….

”Capitalist Pragmatism, or what Ayn Rand and Alan Greenspan call objectivism.”

ROFLMAO, please do detail Greenspan’s comments on Rand and objectivism…..

“ Lets quit f**king around and decide that we are going to do what we're good at and thats make money and markets and let the people of the world decide for themselves whether they want Revolution.”

Interesting, a liberal defending a philosophy of “screw them, let’s make some money”…

“ Then when they do send them guns not young Americans to get their asses shot off in a ill conceived policing mission.”

Hmmm, so people under the thumb of a tyrant should assemble, take a vote, ask the US for weapons and then overthrow the tyrant.  Yeah, there’s a plan.

“ We need to reserve these troops for where they can do the most good, here at home. “

This is probably news to you, but aside from infrequent natural disasters, we don’t use US troops on US soil.

“Because the Revolution you start may be your own.”

Oh, the “revolution” is still coming. (It came in 1980 when Reagan was elected, but I’m sure you missed that).

“ See I still have my sense of humor.”

Yes, you do. I see humor throughout your post.

”As far as the projects being a liberal idea, hell we can just say that we libs learn from our mistakes….”

Doesn’t look like you’ve learned much since 40 years later you’re still pushing the same failed policies….

 while Babs and the Bush bunch still wonder why the poor just don't eat some cake.

”As far as the black "leaders" and Democrats that your talking about well have you ever heard of the term strawman.”

You figure Jesse “I fly first class” Jackson. Al “I got people killed at the race riot I started” Sharpton aren’t real?

“ Your defining us sure makes it alot easier to build your pathetically ill constructed arguement.”

I haven’t defined you, I’ve simply noticed you.

”And Outkast as Abba. Stop listening to top forty radio playa.”

“Outkast has been around for fifteen years,…”<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Madonna’s been around longer. Neither of them have real importance. They're both self-important, empty-headed celebs worshiped by fools.

“I had a friend like you that laughed in '87 when I said the Beastie's were the next Beatles. Well You know who won that bet.”

Yeah. How much did he take you for? I bet you had to work a couple of extra Taco Bell shifts to pay him off, didn’t you?

“As far as my other assertions you still seem to have pointed out exceptions to prove your rule. Stop trying to address the marginal and make a real and substantial claim.”

As I see I pointed out that you’re either drinking the bong water or you’re a random sentence generating program.

“ Ken Mehlman is the apologist who drew attention to the GOP southern strategy when he apologized to the NAACP. “

The question remains, how did that subject come up and what right does the party of Robert KKK Byrd have to lecture anyone on the issue of race?

”Jackson and Sharpton? What about Julian Bond? Do you Know who he is?”

Sure, and I know he never ran for president as a Democrat. Then again, lately the NAACP has been as partisan Democrat as the DNC itself. It's a shame, too.

”Greenspan and Rand.? You show serious gaps in your knowledge, look here.”

You’re just too funny. I asked you to relay Greenspan’s comment’s on Rand and you link me to a book not written by either.

Here’s a hint; you fell in a trap. There are loads of liberals like you who think that since they were close that they agreed on economics. They didn’t. Now, if you’d like to get back to your original “point” where you were trying to explain who capitalism is like Stalinism, if I recall….

”As far as my philosophy, I would suggest a little light reading.”

So since you can’t defend what you said before AND you can’t explain your own philosophy, you’re going to give me a freshman philosophy reading list? No thanks, been there, done that and unlike you, I actually read the books assigned.

“Start with trying to wrap your mind around the concept of enlightened self interest. “

Imagine someone working in finance and economics who doesn’t understand the basics of how markets work. Perhaps you can, but I can’t.

“….and come up with your own unique perspective instead of parroting the same tired flim flam you here from your friends and favorite radio personalities.”

Awww, can’t I just quote a rapper and give you a reading list? After all, you seem to think you can get away with it. 

”What I am trying to get at is that you need to read a few books before you debate the big boys ..”

ROFLMAO, you’re a joke. “The big boys”… oh that’s just too rich.

“Maybe I should devolve into baseless personal attacks, I guess I already have.”

As my kids would say “DUH”….

“ I would think a dink who gives his handle as Sniper would be able to handle a god damn rifle on the range at least. Your not answering that question which makes me think it is more GOP chickenhawkesque rhetoric than reality.”

Gee, you can’t even read, can you? Take another look at my response to your question on that front. The one word sentence should have made it clear even to the lies of you. It said “Yes”. BTW, parrot, nice working in of the famous weenie lib “chickenhawk” line.

Say, menotellname, why use another handle?