You are incorrect my browbeaten friend.

My last post is clearly correct.

This is not an "overwhelmed AND requested assistance" choice.  This is an "overwhelmed and requested assistance" OR "appointed by the President" choice.  This is EITHER (2) or (4).  Obviously (4) applies since 8/29.

Any questions?

[quote=menotellname]

You are incorrect my browbeaten friend.

My last post is clearly correct.

This is not an "overwhelmed AND requested assistance" choice.  This is an "overwhelmed and requested assistance" OR "appointed by the President" choice.  This is EITHER (2) or (4).  Obviously (4) applies since 8/29.

Any questions?

[/quote]

The only question is whether or not you're beyond help. It's obvious to any thinking person that your claim that the president, by declaring a state of emergency, has assumed control of a disaster. You've had that fact pointed out to you several times, including the segement of the law that says the governor WILL DIRECT the state plan.

To your latest claim, about the NRP.

#2 requires that the state request assistance BEYOND the declaration of emergency, which ONLY serves to make Fed funds available. Obviously #2 had NOT been done on the 4/29.

#4 DID NOT HAPPEN as a result of a declaration of emergency, which again, SIMPLY MAKES FED funds available to the state. To suggest that Bush had directed the Fed take over even PRIOR to the hurricane even striking and long before the locals asked for assistence beyond Fed funding is just foolish.

The law is clear, it's been highlighted in bold letters for you several times. The fact that you continue to argue your losing point says a great deal about you.

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname]

You are incorrect my browbeaten friend.

My last post is clearly correct.

This is not an "overwhelmed AND requested assistance" choice.  This is an "overwhelmed and requested assistance" OR "appointed by the President" choice.  This is EITHER (2) or (4).  Obviously (4) applies since 8/29.

Any questions?

[/quote]

The only question is whether or not you're beyond help. It's obvious to any thinking person that your claim that the president, by declaring a state of emergency, has assumed control of a disaster. You've had that fact pointed out to you several times, including the segement of the law that says the governor WILL DIRECT the state plan.

To your latest claim, about the NRP.

#2 requires that the state request assistance BEYOND the declaration of emergency, which ONLY serves to make Fed funds available. Obviously #2 had NOT been done on the 4/29.

#4 DID NOT HAPPEN as a result of a declaration of emergency, which again, SIMPLY MAKES FED funds available to the state. To suggest that Bush had directed the Fed take over even PRIOR to the hurricane even striking and long before the locals asked for assistence beyond Fed funding is just foolish.

The law is clear, it's been highlighted in bold letters for you several times. The fact that you continue to argue your losing point says a great deal about you.

[/quote]

It is obvious that you still don't get it.  This is not a state issue.  I goes way beyond that.  This is a federal issue.  The state plays a small role in the federal plan.  The federal plan is what has jurisdiction.

Are you telling me that Louisiana is responsible for integrating with Mississippi?  Are you telling me that New Orleans is responsible for Biloxi or upstate Louisiana?  Is the governor of Louisiana responsible for Mississippi?

Of course not.  Each person has a responsibility for themselves (and what they can reasonably control).  Each entity (or municipality) has responsibility for themselves up to what they can control.  Who has control over the entire situation?  The feds.  Who controls Mississippi (Biloxi) and Louisiana (New Orleans)?  The feds. 

One can reasonably argue multiple jurisdiction over New Orleans by the city itself, the state, and the feds.  You could even break it down smaller to the parish (or district) representatives within each city.  But that is like saying the shareholders are responsible for running a company.  It is the board of directors, chief executive, and president that are responsible.  They are held accountable by the shareholders (or city residents; for the purpose of this argument).  Who goes to jail when a company falsifies the accounting...the shareholders?  No.  The executives.  Who is accountable for the failures of this disaster?  The people?  No.  The city officials?  No.  The state officials? No. Think bigger...not smaller.

Seriously.  Blaming the residents of the city, city officials, or the state officials for the failures during this disaster is like blaming the shareholders for the failure of Enron.  This goes to the top.

Any questions?

[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname]

You are incorrect my browbeaten friend.

My last post is clearly correct.

This is not an "overwhelmed AND requested assistance" choice.  This is an "overwhelmed and requested assistance" OR "appointed by the President" choice.  This is EITHER (2) or (4).  Obviously (4) applies since 8/29.

Any questions?

[/quote]

The only question is whether or not you're beyond help. It's obvious to any thinking person that your claim that the president, by declaring a state of emergency, has assumed control of a disaster. You've had that fact pointed out to you several times, including the segement of the law that says the governor WILL DIRECT the state plan.

To your latest claim, about the NRP.

#2 requires that the state request assistance BEYOND the declaration of emergency, which ONLY serves to make Fed funds available. Obviously #2 had NOT been done on the 4/29.

#4 DID NOT HAPPEN as a result of a declaration of emergency, which again, SIMPLY MAKES FED funds available to the state. To suggest that Bush had directed the Fed take over even PRIOR to the hurricane even striking and long before the locals asked for assistence beyond Fed funding is just foolish.

The law is clear, it's been highlighted in bold letters for you several times. The fact that you continue to argue your losing point says a great deal about you.

[/quote]

"Are you telling me that Louisiana is responsible for integrating with Mississippi? "

[/quote]

No, I'm telling you that your claim that the president declaring a state of emergency means the Feds have assumed control of the recovery of the disaster is wrong, wrong, wrong. It couldn't be clearler and you've been told over and over.

[quote=menotellname]

 Seriously.  Blaming the residents of the city, city officials, or the state officials for the failures during this disaster is like blaming the shareholders for the failure of Enron.  This goes to the top.

Any questions?

[/quote]

Yeah, do you ever tire of being wrong or been proved wrong?

The city and state officials are responsible for their failures to execute their plans and for any delays they had in requesting Fed assistance on the ground. That would include the mayor's decision to send people to the Superdome w/o food, water or security. That would include the mayor's failure to declare a mandatory evacuation sooner than he did and his failure to use the buses he had to take people out of the city. It would include the governor's failure to use her own NG units earlier and her refusal to allow the Red Cross in the Superdome to provide people there with food and water.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

The Feds are responsible for their failure to respond to calls for assistance as quickly as humanly possible. The locals know the plan tells them to expect to be on their own the first 24 to 72 after a disaster occurs AND they know they have to request assistance as the Feds can't march in and take over. The Feds should have been on the ground NLT Thursday AM.

If that doesn't help you, nothing will. As far as I'm concerned, I'm finished explaining the obvious to you. Feel free to live in ignorance of the facts.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm finished explaining the obvious to you. Feel free to live in ignorance of the facts.

Thank God!!!  Please let this thread die a quick death.

So you think the president should just declare military rule and law.

Until TUESDAY no one knew there was a major disaster in New Orleans.

The mayor (Mr. return - retreet) did not use the buses (500 of them) and sent people to shelters with no food or water. The governor did not bring in the guard to help control the city.

With a pathetic police force (25% disertion.. some drove police cars to as far as Atlanta).... *NOTE not one sherrif left their post...

Finally or two days after request the feds beat the state guard to the scean. They killed 50+ thugs and the city was in control. Gen Horne (kick a.. black general) came to town and did exactly what melotonin told him to do.

Ohh yeah while nothing was being done by Bush and the feds... 3000+ people were saved from the Coast Guard, Fish & Wildlife and other volunteers who rushed to the scean. If only the president listened to Kionie West, Melotonin, Jessy Jackson and Abdul Farakon (Mr. white man blew up wall) the world would be a better place.

For 30 years everyone knew the walll could only hold at Cat 3. During the last 30 years an two acers a minute were being eatin up (maybe the state should have thought ahead instead of instant tax gratification). So year after year nothing was done (everyone is at fault)..

In the end blame the system and hurricane Katrina.

NO is a melting pot of overweight slobs who don’t want to work. If this happenened in NY City or Boston it would be a different story.

I love all people..

I am a bible loving american. :) Just like my pals Jessy Jackson, Sharpton and Farakon (did I misspell ohhh well).. I think they all have a purpus, but when one uses race to make money..

[quote=executivejock]

I love all people..

I am a bible loving american. :) Just like my pals Jessy Jackson, Sharpton and Farakon (did I misspell ohhh well).. I think they all have a purpus, but when one uses race to make money..

[/quote]

Yeah white people NEVER used race to make money.

According to you slavery was a choice...it wasn't about race.

Executivejock...YOU'RE A DUMBASS.

Like Sonny said.  Your southern white ancestors should have been prosecuted as traitors.  They ceded from the union (the United States of America).  Formed their own country (the Confederate States of America).  The country was made up of FORMER states from the United States of America, it had:  its own president, its own currency and monetary system, its own branches of government, and its own national flag.  This country conspicuously modeled themselves after the United States of America but they most definitely were not part of "the union".  All of this for a country that tried to OVERTHROW THE UNITED STATES and got their asses beaten like the Japanese, Germans, and Italians in WWII.  They should have been treated as war criminals and disposed of properly.

[quote=menotellname]

Yeah white people NEVER used race to make money.

[/quote]

Oh, there are whites that use race-baiting ala Sharpton and Jackson (and loony Louis) to create and further careers. It's just that (thankfully)  David Duke isn't afforded any equal sort of respectability.

But the difference is that I am funny and your a dick.

Funny, but I don't see much of a difference in the spelling OR humor departments...

[quote=mikebutler222]

David Duke isn't afforded any equal sort of respectability.[/quote]

??????

I don't see why not.  David Duke is at least as respectible as you. 

[quote=menotellname][quote=executivejock]

I love all people..

I am a bible loving american. :) Just like my pals Jessy Jackson, Sharpton and Farakon (did I misspell ohhh well).. I think they all have a purpus, but when one uses race to make money..

[/quote]

Yeah white people NEVER used race to make money.

According to you slavery was a choice...it wasn't about race.

Executivejock...YOU'RE A DUMBASS.

Like Sonny said.  Your southern white ancestors should have been prosecuted as traitors.  They ceded from the union (the United States of America).  Formed their own country (the Confederate States of America).  The country was made up of FORMER states from the United States of America, it had:  its own president, its own currency and monetary system, its own branches of government, and its own national flag.  This country conspicuously modeled themselves after the United States of America but they most definitely were not part of "the union".  All of this for a country that tried to OVERTHROW THE UNITED STATES and got their asses beaten like the Japanese, Germans, and Italians in WWII.  They should have been treated as war criminals and disposed of properly.

[/quote]

They were prosecuted and disposed of their property, you idiot.

Arlington National Cemetery was the estate of Robert E. Lee, to mention one high profile example.

[quote=menotellname]

[quote=mikebutler222]

David Duke isn't afforded any equal sort of respectability.[/quote]

??????

I don't see why not.  David Duke is at least as respectible as you. 

[/quote]

And here I was thinking that you couldn't possibly become a bigger parody than you were. Keep shooting for the stars...

Could some one just please call some one a Nazi and mention Hitler so we can end this pointless and never ending thread?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 

[quote=babbling looney]

Could some one just please call some one a Nazi and mention Hitler so we can end this pointless and never ending thread?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 

[/quote]

Okay.

Your toothbrush moustache makes you look like Hitler, so you must be a Nazi.

May I will say a prayer for you two loving Americans.

Wow. I love all types of people. My best friend is much darker then myself (is that politically correct). I love Colin Powell (great leader) and I like Larry Elders. Listen to him he might enlighten you two angry Americans.

It seems pointing out the facts really hurts you 2 Gore loving hateful Americans (?Frenchman?).

Like we say in the south "pour some grits on your head."

[quote=SonnyClips]Oh and it wasn't Lee's family estate it was his wifes who was a decendent of Washington. 



Best,
Sonny[/quote]

Which, of course, made it Lee's.

[quote=SonnyClips]So you are a Southerner! It seems the most righteous and merciful Lord is kicking ass down in Jesusland right now. Sonny[/quote]

People die, Meno/Sonny makes a joke. What a pathetic excuse for a human being....