Jesus comes to Jones!
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Windy, this business is not the "pat little johnny on the head" type of business. If you need your ego stroked, call your mother.
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I heard a quote once... "Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded"....I think that applies to quite a few people here....[/quote] Just out of curiosity, have you ever known, or been related to, anyone that either competed in the special olympics or that you might say is "retarded"? If so, hwo did you know this person and how specifically would you consider this person "retarded"?It took what, 1400 plus posts to finally see the light?[quote=Ron 14] No, certainly not. You have to struggle, go broke, run through your savings, hit goals, and THEN you get to be a successful vet at Jones. Anyone who doesn’t follow that track must obviously be lying.
"Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded"
OK Windy - you win - that was one of the funniest quotes i’ve seen on these boards!!!
This board is full of Jones brokers…Lord can I get a true advisor to chat with. All I hear is door knocking, 5.75 commish biz and 30 year bonds.
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Just so you know Moraen…I posted the $10,000 Wed at 11:49…and Posted that I am out of town Friday…Friday-Friday…So now is it impossible for someone to have a good day and leave town the next?..Wait i guess thats true…cause if I posted a good day Thursday then my car wouldn’t start the next day…causing an explosion in Iraq which would send nukes to the U.S, and that would make me still have to be in my office the next day…I guess your right…
Oh and by the way…I said i’m out of town, not dead. Last time I checked there was this thing called a phone…and it’s really cool…No matter where you are…you can STILL call people…Out of town doesn’t mean I don’t make a few calls a day…and i’ve made money over that thing before…
Thanks Spiff…It’s nice to know someone in here…has a little bit of class…One thing I have noticed in ALL successful Vets…they are all positive…no wonder everyone in here thinks amazing things can’t happen…[/quote]
Like I said, I knew you’d have an excuse, it only took you a couple of days to come up with it… you left town and the first thing you did was pop up Registered Rep? You said that you were out of town for the week and that’s why you were posting so much. Which was it, you were out of town for a week, or you weren’t? I don’t get it.
And I know that you can use the phone. Unfortunately, you cannot make trades from “out of town” unless you are using someone else’s office (which I admit is a possibility). So don’t tell me how the system works windy, I’ve been there. Just because you sell something over the phone doesn’t magically make it into your commission screen.
You are right about one thing… Spiff has class. You however, don’t. You also might want to work on your grammar a little bit, people are touchy about details like that.
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Five - Fee based accounts in general (along with commission based) have been decimated. he can't do any worse than the last guy did. [/quote][/quote] It's a good thing commission based (AmFds, VKAC, Frank/Temp) haven't been decimated, isn't it?[/quote] I see you have a reading comprehension problem. So, I highlighted the words that should have covered this in my original post. [/quote] I see you have the need to distinguish between fee based and commission based even though it's apprently irrelevant. Should I assume then that VA's were not decimated? Why the need to list them both then? [/quote] No. I put that parenthetical statement in because I knew, from thousands of posts on this forum, that if I didn't I'd get idiots like you pop up and say something retarded like you just did. Evidently I underestimated your level of idiocy. The point was in another post wind said that he was moving money out of fee based biz into his commission based format. If I'm ever going to sell against fee based, now is certainly the time to do it. Now is also the time to sell against mutual fund portfolios with no income guarantees. Heck, you could pick just about anything to sell against right now and you could make a pretty good arguement. Heard the local financial talk show host's ad on the radio this morning basically saying buy and hold doesn't work so you need to come see him so he can fix your portfolio.He's right on the remote access thing. I can be anywhere and place trades as long as I have an internet connection for my laptop. Beyond that there's order services and your BOA. He could be somewhere calling on a stock or a bond and just call his BOA every once in a while for a price or inventory update. He can also tell her to place trades or he can call order services and have them place them for him. I've done all of them from time to time while out of the office. Wind - the one thing I'd suggest is you refresh your memory on the licensing rules for contacting clients. I believe you have to be registered in the state you are calling from. So, if you're on vacation in FL and don't have a license for that state, you are technically not in compliance. Probably not a big deal, but just a thought.
And I know that you can use the phone. Unfortunately, you cannot make trades from “out of town” unless you are using someone else’s office (which I admit is a possibility). So don’t tell me how the system works windy, I’ve been there. Just because you sell something over the phone doesn’t magically make it into your commission screen.
[quote=wind3574] Like I said, I knew you’d have an excuse, it only took you a couple of days to come up with it… you left town and the first thing you did was pop up Registered Rep? My ass…you just don’t want to admit you are wrong…
You said that you were out of town for the week and that’s why you were posting so much. Which was it, you were out of town for a week, or you weren’t? I don’t get it. I said I was out of town for A week…not THAT week… Unfortunately, you cannot make trades from “out of town” unless you are using someone else’s office (which I admit is a possibility).So don’t tell me how the system works windy, I’ve been there. …You really are an idiot and you really don’t know the system if you believe that…There’s these sweet things called laptops…that Jones gives its new guys…Last time I checked you use those anywhere too…even if I didn’t have a laptop…Theres this other sweet thing called remote access…I could login from England and place a trade… You are right about one thing… Spiff has class. You however, don’t. You also might want to work on your grammar a little bit, people are touchy about details like that. The old 3rd grade tactic…when you can’t find any truth in your argument…you resort to chat room grammer bashing!!!..I don’t blame you…It was pretty successful for me when I knew I was wrong…Of course I was 12 [/quote]
I’ll admit that I’m wrong about the remote access - we couldn’t do that when I was there. My bad. I actually don’t ever have a problem admitting I’m wrong. You’re still a liar.
I will not admit that I’m wrong about you being inconsistent… yet again. You know that you meant you were out of town last week. Please! Of course you covered yourself with all of your little details.
As for chat room grammar bashing… well, if you can’t spell correctly, how are you doing organizing those client portfolios… oh, that’s right American Funds does it for you. And Alan Skrainka puts out some nice stuff that is spell-checked as well.
Here is a news flash, people think you are an ass without class because you think you know better than people who’ve been doing this for years!
I’ve been at your company. I know how it works. You, are a tool. You are also deluded.
You've probably not heard/read me tell anyone else this before, since you just joined this year, but if you haven't been at EDJ in the last 2 years, you really don't know what you're talking about when you are bashing Jones. So much has changed in just the last few years that the company has a whole different feel to it. It's still at some level the same old Jones that it has always been, but with some better investment options, planning tools, and technology advances.
I don't have to be able to spell anything to be able to do this job. Nothing that I write makes it through to a client without going through compliance first. I put a full presentation together this morning for a client and never even picked up my pen even one time. Morningstar hypo, call to my VA wholesaler, portfolio tool from Jones...none of them require me to spell check anything. I've never gotten the impression from wind that believes he knows anything better than anyone else on this forum. He stated what he was doing and what kind of numbers he was putting up. Then from there he gets blasted with the "you're a liar" comments from the peanut gallery. I find it funny that nobody seems to think it's even possible that he could be having great success just doing what he was told to do. None of us have ever doorknocked in an environment like this one. Unless you've been out doing it, you don't really know if it's possible to do what he's been doing. I hope he keeps putting up good numbers like he has been, just to piss you people off. I'm going to continue to be a cheerleader for him because he's one new guy who's a benefit to my LP, not a drag on it.[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=Johnny Roast Beef][quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=Johnny Roast Beef][quote=Johnny Roast Beef][quote=Spaceman Spiff]I
Five - Fee based accounts in general (along with commission based) have been decimated. he can't do any worse than the last guy did. [/quote][/quote] It's a good thing commission based (AmFds, VKAC, Frank/Temp) haven't been decimated, isn't it?[/quote] I see you have a reading comprehension problem. So, I highlighted the words that should have covered this in my original post. [/quote] I see you have the need to distinguish between fee based and commission based even though it's apprently irrelevant. Should I assume then that VA's were not decimated? Why the need to list them both then? [/quote] No. I put that parenthetical statement in because I knew, from thousands of posts on this forum, that if I didn't I'd get idiots like you pop up and say something retarded like you just did. Evidently I underestimated your level of idiocy. The point was in another post wind said that he was moving money out of fee based biz into his commission based format. If I'm ever going to sell against fee based, now is certainly the time to do it. Now is also the time to sell against mutual fund portfolios with no income guarantees. Heck, you could pick just about anything to sell against right now and you could make a pretty good arguement. Heard the local financial talk show host's ad on the radio this morning basically saying buy and hold doesn't work so you need to come see him so he can fix your portfolio. [/quote] I'd guess I'm thicker-skinned than the guys like you that get your panties in a twist every time someone says something that offends the Jones way of doing things but...what's with you Jones guys and the "retarded" thing anyway? I remember being told years and years ago that fee based reps would have "their ass handed to them" in a downturn (this was well before '00-'02). People don't want to pay fees, they said, they want to pay commissions and buy and hope, they said. My experience has been that, while fees are waayyy down (as are commissions - parenthetical statement added so I don't get Jones guys popping up and saying something "retarded"), I've not seen a mass exodus from the advisory platform. Now, that could all change with another leg down here but, not yet anyway. You're right, when it comes to "reviewing" a prospects investments in this market, the first liar doesn't stand a chance. The problem comes when you adapt your strategy, as an advisor, to the prospect (i.e. if they have a wrap, bash that - commissions are better, if they have a commission based account, bash that - fees are better). At that point, you're completely rudderless.[quote=Spaceman Spiff]
You’ve probably not heard/read me tell anyone else this before, since you just joined this year, but if you haven’t been at EDJ in the last 2 years, you really don’t know what you’re talking about when you are bashing Jones. So much has changed in just the last few years that the company has a whole different feel to it. It’s still at some level the same old Jones that it has always been, but with some better investment options, planning tools, and technology advances.
I don’t have to be able to spell anything to be able to do this job. Nothing that I write makes it through to a client without going through compliance first. I put a full presentation together this morning for a client and never even picked up my pen even one time. Morningstar hypo, call to my VA wholesaler, portfolio tool from Jones…none of them require me to spell check anything.
I’ve never gotten the impression from wind that believes he knows anything better than anyone else on this forum. He stated what he was doing and what kind of numbers he was putting up. Then from there he gets blasted with the “you’re a liar” comments from the peanut gallery. I find it funny that nobody seems to think it’s even possible that he could be having great success just doing what he was told to do. None of us have ever doorknocked in an environment like this one. Unless you’ve been out doing it, you don’t really know if it’s possible to do what he’s been doing.
I hope he keeps putting up good numbers like he has been, just to piss you people off. I’m going to continue to be a cheerleader for him because he’s one new guy who’s a benefit to my LP, not a drag on it. [/quote]
Spiff - he’s a liar. I’m glad he has you to stick up for him, but he’s a freakin’ liar.
He is a drag on your LP, b/c he’s NOT REALLY PUTTING UP THOSE NUMBERS!
Good communication with your clients requires good grammar. And I have to say, I think you are looking with blinders on. Dig a little deeper and maybe you’ll see that he’s full of it.
I hope he puts up some good numbers too some day.
OK, fine. Anyone remember the name he had on his profile? I’d love to be able to put this thing to rest with some hard facts. IF I can find out some additional info on this guy perhaps we can put this thing to rest.
Wind - if you're up for it, PM me. I've got friends in HQ who can settle this thing once and for all. They'll never believe you, but they might believe me.ring ring…hello…“yes, this is Spaceman Spiff and I need a favor”. (sigh…another big ass kisser)…What is it a** Kiss…oh I mean spiff? “well, I need to settle something on an investment forum, see, Theres this guy named wind who said he’s been out doorknocking like a mother, and, and, well, he’s knocking it out of the park…see”. Okay,again, what can I do for you? Well, here is his name and I need his production numbers. Why do you need his production numbers? Well, see, the big bad Indy’s on this forum are calling us big baby pikers and I need to show them… You need to show them what? I need to show them Winds numbers to prove that doorknocking works. WHAT? Are you nuts? Doorknocking is a farce…We started the whole doorknocking becuase way back in the day, we didn’t want to pay for the phone bills our salespeople were racking up…so we come up with this huge farce about doorknocking, face to face,and heck, we even showed this to the Kirby Vacuums and Avon. That’s too funny…how long you been with Jones SPiff? WHAT…THAT LONG and you still think doorknocking works? I suggest you tell your buddies on the forum that compliance won’t allow you to see the numbers, but that I told you his numbers were legit. That way you can save face and fight the good fight another day…take care…click!
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You've probably not heard/read me tell anyone else this before, since you just joined this year, but if you haven't been at EDJ in the last 2 years, you really don't know what you're talking about when you are bashing Jones. So much has changed in just the last few years that the company has a whole different feel to it. It's still at some level the same old Jones that it has always been, but with some better investment options, planning tools, and technology advances.
I don't have to be able to spell anything to be able to do this job. Nothing that I write makes it through to a client without going through compliance first. I put a full presentation together this morning for a client and never even picked up my pen even one time. Morningstar hypo, call to my VA wholesaler, portfolio tool from Jones...none of them require me to spell check anything. I've never gotten the impression from wind that believes he knows anything better than anyone else on this forum. He stated what he was doing and what kind of numbers he was putting up. Then from there he gets blasted with the "you're a liar" comments from the peanut gallery. I find it funny that nobody seems to think it's even possible that he could be having great success just doing what he was told to do. None of us have ever doorknocked in an environment like this one. Unless you've been out doing it, you don't really know if it's possible to do what he's been doing. I hope he keeps putting up good numbers like he has been, just to piss you people off. I'm going to continue to be a cheerleader for him because he's one new guy who's a benefit to my LP, not a drag on it. [/quote] Spiff....I can only speak for myself, I'm a fairly new (not as new as wind) Joneser who has done his share of doorknocking, quite successfully I might add, and I happen to think he is full of it! I don't think anyone is doubting that someone can have "great success doorknocking"...I think the problem is the definition of what great success is. I have seen some guys who are experienced...believable....smart...trustworthy and overall great salespeople who aren't getting 200k thrown at them over & over on first knocks...and still have time to post as much as he does. If we can truly find out if he is for real by getting the name and researching...I will gladly eat my words and apologize, however, great (realistic) success seems to be several notches below what he is claiming. Remember, he said he has NO FAMILY OR FRIEND accounts!!And I will do the same. I’m not going to say I haven’t heard of people starting as quickly as he has, but they are rare. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
I think if you'll go back and read the posts, he doesn't say that all of the accounts are coming from the first contact. Didn't anyone read the whole coffee cup with a deck of cards post? Spears - you crack me up. What part of doorknocking doesn't work? Is it the three $250K+ accounts I've pulled in just this year on the mabye 5 days of doorknocking I've done? Or is it the hundreds of households I can track back specifically the day I rang their doorbell the first time? My only problem is that I get stuck in my office and don't go out and do it more often. I KNOW that part doesn't work.