Fair enough.

Do indy guys actually take trips or do they just talk about how many and how expensive the trips would be that they could take? 

Maybe expensive vacations aren’t your cup of tea and you choose not to do them.  What do you do with the the warchest of extra indy money then? 

Or is all the extra indy money we hear so much about hearsay that gets exaggerated and overblown because a few guys made it big going independent and now everyone believes that’s where the money is when in reality for most there is not a lot to be had in that model?

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Do indy guys actually take trips or do they just talk about how many and how expensive the trips would be that they could take? 

Maybe expensive vacations aren’t your cup of tea and you choose not to do them.  What do you do with the the warchest of extra indy money then? 

Or is all the extra indy money we hear so much about hearsay that gets exaggerated and overblown because a few guys made it big going independent and now everyone believes that’s where the money is when in reality for most there is not a lot to be had in that model?
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I think you’re part correct with this.  I know there are some Indy’s that take probably much nicer trips than the Jones Diversification trips, but I’ve been on both sides of this fence and since I left Jones quite a while ago, I have yet to take a vacation as nice as most of the Div Trips I went on there.   Other than maybe my honeymoon.  We still take one week trip each year and maybe one or two smaller 3-4 day get a ways but a jones trip to Cabo still beats the 5 days I’ll take to Fort Meyers in March.   But once again, it’s all personal perference on how much you really want to shell out of your pocket to take a nice trip.  Bottom line is, the Jones trips are nice, even if you still spend some of your own money.  And it’s not “work”.  I took one trip to Honolulu and i honestly went to the opening dinner, our I think one morning meeting and I did not see another Jones person the remainder of the trip.  You are not forced to attend dinners or bullsh*t by the pool if you don’t want to. 

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Do indy guys actually take trips or do they just talk about how many and how expensive the trips would be that they could take? Maybe expensive vacations aren’t your cup of tea and you choose not to do them. What do you do with the the warchest of extra indy money then? Or is all the extra indy money we hear so much about hearsay that gets exaggerated and overblown because a few guys made it big going independent and now everyone believes that’s where the money is when in reality for most there is not a lot to be had in that model?

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Did you not read my posts about my trips BB? Mine are both longer and full of more adventure.

[quote=voltmoie] My analogy didn’t revolve around the handling of the cars. Simply the speed. It works because the trips are nice and they treat you well.



Are they the right trips for everyone, obviously not … However, it does not mean they are not good trips … Just the “drive” might be too firm for you.



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Volt - one of the trips was a “Porsche driving experience”. Driving a Porsche on the autobahn is not the same as knowing it’s fast.

[quote=Moraen] [quote=voltmoie] My analogy didn’t revolve around the handling of the cars. Simply the speed. It works because the trips are nice and they treat you well.



Are they the right trips for everyone, obviously not … However, it does not mean they are not good trips … Just the “drive” might be too firm for you.



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Volt - one of the trips was a “Porsche driving experience”. Driving a Porsche on the autobahn is not the same as knowing it’s fast.



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Your comparing it wrong. Volt is saying that, Just because you haven’t “Drove a Porsche on the Authobahn” doesn’t not mean that you don’t know driving a porsche on the autobahn is fun.

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Do indy guys actually take trips or do they just talk about how many and how expensive the trips would be that they could take?  Maybe expensive vacations aren’t your cup of tea and you choose not to do them.  What do you do with the the warchest of extra indy money then?  Or is all the extra indy money we hear so much about hearsay that gets exaggerated and overblown because a few guys made it big going independent and now everyone believes that’s where the money is when in reality for most there is not a lot to be had in that model?

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Did you not read my posts about my trips BB? Mine are both longer and full of more adventure. [/quote]

I did miss it, but I went back and found it and it looks like you’ve had some great adventures.  My post wasn’t directed at you specifically, in fact I think you’re the first indy guy whose made the “I could…” statement that’s actually then followed that up by posting "I did ________.

My company does one trip per year, I will get to go on them someday, some of it’s stuff I’d pay out my pocket to do, some of it’s stuff I wouldn’t pay to do, but if forces you to get out and take your wife somewhere that you probably otherwise wouldn’t go and do and I think it’s a good thing.

The trips are a perk of being affiliated with a company and when people are excited about winning them I don’t understand why some indy guy always has to chime in:

“I make so much money with my 96.8% payout at LPL that I could just go and buy my own island in the Caribbean and build my own resort”

[quote=Ronnie Dobbs] [quote=Moraen] [quote=voltmoie] My analogy didn’t revolve around the handling of the cars. Simply the speed. It works because the trips are nice and they treat you well.



Are they the right trips for everyone, obviously not … However, it does not mean they are not good trips … Just the “drive” might be too firm for you.



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Volt - one of the trips was a “Porsche driving experience”. Driving a Porsche on the autobahn is not the same as knowing it’s fast.



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Your comparing it wrong. Volt is saying that, Just because you haven’t “Drove a Porsche on the Authobahn” doesn’t not mean that you don’t know driving a porsche on the autobahn is fun.[/quote]



It does mean that. Driven is the correct form of the past tense verb by btw. Have you ever driven a porsche on the autobahn, Wind? Did you know that there ARE speed limits? Did you also know that the Polize do NOT play around. You literally have to be 6 and a half feet tall to be one. Have you ever been in a Stau? NOT fun.

The trips are a perk of being affiliated with a company and when people are excited about winning them I don’t understand why some indy guy always has to chime in:“I make so much money with my 96.8% payout at LPL that I could just go and buy my own island in the Caribbean and build my own resort”[/quote]







Nice one BB!



They are a nice perk. To me it was just a debate about the merits of company sponsored trips versus taking your own.



Personal preference. I know guys who couldn’t WAIT to go on div trips just so they could talk to top producers and GPs.

Using the trips to "pick the brain" of a (multi)million dollar producer or a GP is silly.  If I want that (and I DON'T), I can pick up the telephone and call them - I don't need to waste my time on my "vacation" to do that.  When I'm on vacation, I don't want to hear about the investment business - no TV news, Wall Street Journal, IBD, etc.  It took me a while to get there,  but man, is it nice!!!

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It does mean that. Driven is the correct form of the past tense verb by btw. Have you ever driven a porsche on the autobahn, Wind? Did you know that there ARE speed limits? Did you also know that the Polize do NOT play around. You literally have to be 6 and a half feet tall to be one. Have you ever been in a Stau? NOT fun.

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Just because someone hasn’t done something or been somewhere, does NOT mean that they know about it.



No i have never driven a Porsche on the autobahn, nor have i been to Germany, but I could tell you that the Autobahn means highway in German. It is not a specific highway. I could tell you that there are speed limits on the “Highways” in Germany in the “Ungoverned” part of the country. I could also tell you that the cities speed limits are very slow. I could also tell you that “Die Polizei” (Plural) does not f*** around when you break the law. I could also tell you that even though I have not been to Germany (and maybe you have), that I know more about the language, culture, and country than you probably ever will…



Oh and I could also say…



Besprechen Sie etwas, das Sie nächste mal wissen. - But i’m sure you knew that.

I lived in Germany for seven years. Still think you know more than me?



Also. Do you think never having been to combat, that you know what it’s like? I’ve never been in a band like you and I have no clue what it’s like to make music for people.



Please spare us the fact that you think you know everything. Theory and practice are two different things. You may have read a lot about Germany, but until you’ve done some of those things you don’t know.

M … Living on a military base in germany is certainly not cultural immersion. (Have no idea if you lived on the base.) But I agree its difficult to understand a culture if you’ve never experinced it.



I know Navy guys that have been to dozens of ports and never go beyond the bar and the cheap $20 hooker.



The combat analogy does not fit at all - we’ve all driven cars at fast speeds. Its easy enough to make the leap of what it would feel to drive a performance vehicle in Germany.



Fun side note - my brother in law has a mini. It handles better than the Porche, I’ve driven that ugly ass car hard and fast down some crazy mountain roads. I’ve got an idea I’d like that div. trip

I never said I knew everything. It’s obvious however, that I know as much as you about Germany, if not more and I’ve never been there. Maybe i’ve never walked down the streets of Berlin, but if we both were in germany and had to take a sht, atleast i’d be able to find my way to the bathroom without looking like a tourist, while you sht your pants asking for directions in English. Lucky for you, most germans speak English.



My father was in germany for the same amount of time as you, and i know 100 times more about Germany than him. Theory is not the same as practice, but if you don’t know Theory…you can’t f***in practice.

The only thing that is obvious here is you know a lot more about gay bars in Germany than anyone else.

[quote=Moraen]I lived in Germany for seven years. Still think you know more than me?



Also. Do you think never having been to combat, that you know what it’s like? I’ve never been in a band like you and I have no clue what it’s like to make music for people.



Please spare us the fact that you think you know everything. Theory and practice are two different things. You may have read a lot about Germany, but until you’ve done some of those things you don’t know. [/quote]

I heard that they give you a ticket for flipping people off…is that true?

The only thing that is obvious here is you know a lot more about gay bars in Germany than anyone else.

[quote=Ronnie Dobbs] I never said I knew everything. It’s obvious however, that I know as much as you about Germany, if not more and I’ve never been there. Maybe i’ve never walked down the streets of Berlin, but if we both were in germany and had to take a sht, atleast i’d be able to find my way to the bathroom without looking like a tourist, while you sht your pants asking for directions in English. Lucky for you, most germans speak English.



My father was in germany for the same amount of time as you, and i know 100 times more about Germany than him. Theory is not the same as practice, but if you don’t know Theory…you can’t f***in practice.[/quote]



Here we go:



Went to a GERMAN school for two years of primary school. 1 of secondary. Actually, I have never walked down the streets of Berlin.



Do you know what the protocol is in a German swimming pool? Can you navigate to Neuschwanstein? How many locks do you have to go through on the Rhine (total)? How many castles did Mad King Ludwig finish? How many didn’t he finish? I’ve been skiing in the German Alps with Herman Schepers and understand German farming more than I’d like to admit.



I have, in fact been in many Staus, and have driven there (as recently as last year). My mother is FROM Germany. My father lived there for five years before marrying my mother, spent the last three years there.



I’ve also eaten AUTHENTIC German food (since I was actually there). I have NEVER lived on a military base. We live out on “the economy” because that’s the way to really do it.



And NEWSFLASH Windy - they have PICTURES on the bathrooms! I’m surprised from all of your research you didn’t know that. And most Germans do NOT speak English for your information. Most Germans you will meet at an Airport will.

I slept with two German chicks one night in Spain after a long night of drinking. I’d say I’m an expert in German protocol.



One thing I never figured out though,what is the strange German obsession with tractors? Seriously.

I lied, I have lived on military bases. As an adult. Most of my time in Germany was in primary and secondary school.



And volt - that means you have more experience than Windy