Possible Presidential Pairings?
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RCP Average polling this morning:
Obama - 47.2% - McCain - 43.4% - Obama +3.8% As expected, the race tightens back up with the Republican convention counter-bounce. I would expect it to tighten further as the convention is not yet all factored in. We'll have to disagree with Palin not being a country first choice. In McCain's mind, he's better for the country than Obama and the VP choice will probably not have a significant effect on policy if he's elected president, other than possibly opening up ANWR if Palin can influence his thoughts in that area. McCain is doing what he thinks is necessary to prevent an Obama presidency, which he likely views as a very bad thing for the country. All the arguments about Palin's lack of experience stick to Obama as well and again, he's running for the #1 spot on the ticket, putting that glaring inexperience at the top. The more that is made of Palin's relative lack of experience, the more Obama's campaign opens their man up to the same criticism. As expected, McCain's speech, which while not a disaster, certainly did not excite and inspire like his veep's did. As has been said many times, McCain should do better off the cuff than he does with a prepared speech. Rush Limbaugh said something to the effect last night that he sees some unfortunate event causing Biden to bow out of the campaign opening up the door for Hillary to join the ticket and stem the momentum that the Palin pick is giving to McCain. That's clearly one of the most outrageous statements that I've seen from the far right blogs this campaign season...At this stage the Palin pick is being received very well. The Obama camp is adjusting to the “rock star” label being moved from him to her. Interesting that her speech drew more TV viewers than his acceptance speech in Denver.
Her lack of “experience” is not really a negative thus far and is instead drawing attention to Obama’s resume (i.e.):
- What does a “community Organizer” actually do?
- Why did he compare his experience of running a big budget campaign to her running a 12 mil. a year town budget with 50 employees? Do any of you put your job hunt as experience on your resume? Not the best comparison, but you may get my point…his experience is thin…That can’t play well and is appears to be hurting him.
- Obama comments today that he has been at this for 19 months, and Palin 4 days and if she wants to be treated as one of the guys…All of this focus on Palin, his experience etc…is not helping him win over the voters he needs to send him to the WH. He should avoid talking about her AT ALL. Rock star persona sticks on her at least through the election. Likely much longer.
My dem. friends all mention ethics legislation as his experience and qualifications. That is the one talking point I keep hearing over and over. What else? Leader of the Harvard law review is a little too early in his career for me BG. What has he done lately? Campaigning for prez, writing books, playing the part of a big time politician…? IMO, status quo with a fresh face.
Sooner or later McCain is going to have to stop attacking Obama and start talking issues.
Yet, she has zero foreign policy experience, next to zero domestic expereince …So she’s fine with wasting other peoples money. I’ll give you that she is a fabulous speaker. So, in her pick for veep,
Are you describing Obama, or McCain? It sounds to me like you have the two of them confused.
In a similar vein, can’t we pretty much use the same words as above to describe Obama’s track record and lack of executive experience?
Hyman, the experience thing is so, well, last week. The new new thing is CHANGE! Try to keep up.
I can't blame you if you fell asleep during John's speech, but just so you know, the messege was change. His campajgn managers took one look at the election map and realized that experience, in itself, was a non starter. They need to first connect with Obama's change messege and then push the experience gap. This will give Obama's change supporters a no gap bridge to cross over to McCain's camp. Of course there is one problem with this: "We are all Georgians" Remember McCain saying this? You can google it. He said it recently and prominately in support of the republic of Georgia. He said it on advice from his senior foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemann. Turns out that Randy is a lobbyist. A lobbyist who's firm took $200,000 from the Georgian government this past spring to represent them in DC. Of course the McCain camp says there is no connection. Isn't that what politicians always say? I'd say that was money well spent. What do you think? Considering how many lobbyist are working for McCain on his campaign including his campaign mamager, long time republican insider and lobbyist Rick Davis, his change messege is laughable. The messege, as stated above, is merely a sleight of hand campaign tactic to draw off Obama's change supporters. The coasts are already figuring this out, leaving the question; is the middle of the country gullible enough to buy into it? Based on 04, my guess is yes. Never under estimate the gullibillity of the heartland. Good people, who take people at their word. Even those they shouldn't. Hyman, think for a moment about this: McCain is employing DC insiders, lobbyist, and Bush admin advisors in all the key roles within his campaign. Yet, he says it's a new day DC and all these people are out on their asses come day one of his administration. Do you really believe that will happen? It's a new day yet "We are all Georgians." A $200,000 sound bite. Smart campaigning, but sleight of hand. This doesn't play well with those who are tired of the subterfuge. As for the John not talking issues, his campaign manager Rick Davis told reporters that this campaign is not about issues. Well, when you've effed up for eight years what else are you going to say? Agree though, Obama needs to sharpen his messege and stop parsing his coomments."The coasts are already figuring this out, leaving the question; is the middle of the country gullible enough to buy into it? Based on 04, my guess is yes. Never under estimate the gullibillity of the heartland. Good people, who take people at their word. Even those they shouldn’t."
From someone in the heartland, these are offensive and divisive words, my friend. They sound just like Obama did in San Francisco ealier, and that, more than anything will be the reason he struggles in the flyover states (and yes, we find that term offensive also). Without being racist, sexist, etc., we folks in the heartland think there are plenty of idiots on the coasts also. I don’t believe those folks smashing windows this week were from Minnesota.
Any argument that McCain is a crooked politician (i.e. Georgian lobbyist connection) is deeply flawed.
If we are now indeed moving from last week’s “experience” argument to the “change” argument…Like Obama is ill advised to go after Palin regarding experience; he really cannot afford to take on McCain in the “judgment” and “shady politician” argument. Why? A few reasons:
1) Tony Rezko, convicted felon slumlord (linked to him through his time as a “community organizer”, financial backer to get him going on this wonderful journey he has been on.
2) Rev. Wright. Need we see say more about judgment?
3) The William Ayers connection. This one needs more light shed on it. Too bad for the Repubs. that the Media couldn’t put as much into finding out about this association as they did the Palin baby story. I have a feeling more will come out about this. If not, this is still a large knock on the judgment of Obama.
Like Obama is in a tough spot on experience issue and VP issue…Their camp is also dead in the water on shady connections, politician stereotypes, character, judgment, arguments when comparing to McCain.
I agree that this about CHANGE. Obama’s challenge is how he can convince voters that he is the best candidate to initiate change and to minimize everything else…My guess it will prove very difficult for him to accomplish when he has not differentiated himself in other areas in any extraordinary way. While the election should be about change, can he hold the voters focus there and then sell the voters on his specific changes? I can’t see enough people buying into him…Lets see though…If he is that special, maybe he can get it done. The worst part if he loses is that wench Hillary will be back on the scene in 4 short years.
As for the John not talking issues, his campaign manager Rick Davis told reporters that this campaign is not about issues. Well, when you’ve effed up for eight years what else are you going to say?
You know it really isn't about the issues. People are tired of hearing the same tired old talking points (aka lies) being repeated over and over and over by people who don't know WTF they are even talking about. Pie in the sky. Tax/punish the rich. Everything for free. Nothing turns me off of a candidate or his appointed mouthpiece more than answering a question with a pre prepared script that has nothing to do with the question. They are only out there to parrot and squawk their mantras not engage in serious discussions. None of us out here in the real world believe anything they say.
Character and honesty are what more people are interested in. General overall goals and themes that we think the candidates actually believe and will really be able to attempt to implement, rather than beating us over the head with the same old same old points with everyone using the exact same words. They must have little hand books and practice together like a synchronized swimming team.... All together now, Sarah Palin hasn't got the experience to be President on day one..... All together now....We can't drill our way out of this oil crisis. All together now...... The mere fact that Palin is completely outside of the mold the the left liberal elites consider proper for a woman and that she thumbs her nose at them is enough for me to think that she IS ready. Nevermind that she has been a Mayor and Governor....not nearly as impressive as working within the corrupt Chicago political machine to get some toilets working in slums that the Democrats created by their very own policies. As to the education thingy that BG thinks is so important. If you went to an ivy league school that somehow makes you better than a person who went to a lesser (low class) school? It's all about getting a degree to be able to make executive decisions, is it? Well, somebody better tell that to Bill Gates. I guess he isn't ready to run one of the most profitable and influential companies in the world. He should step down!![quote=BondGuy]Hyman, the experience thing is so, well, last week. The new new thing is CHANGE! Try to keep up.
I can't blame you if you fell asleep during John's speech, but just so you know, the messege was change. His campajgn managers took one look at the election map and realized that experience, in itself, was a non starter. They need to first connect with Obama's change messege and then push the experience gap. This will give Obama's change supporters a no gap bridge to cross over to McCain's camp. Of course there is one problem with this: "We are all Georgians" Remember McCain saying this? You can google it. He said it recently and prominately in support of the republic of Georgia. He said it on advice from his senior foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemann. Turns out that Randy is a lobbyist. A lobbyist who's firm took $200,000 from the Georgian government this past spring to represent them in DC. Of course the McCain camp says there is no connection. Isn't that what politicians always say? I'd say that was money well spent. What do you think? Considering how many lobbyist are working for McCain on his campaign including his campaign mamager, long time republican insider and lobbyist Rick Davis, his change messege is laughable. The messege, as stated above, is merely a sleight of hand campaign tactic to draw off Obama's change supporters. The coasts are already figuring this out, leaving the question; is the middle of the country gullible enough to buy into it? Based on 04, my guess is yes. Never under estimate the gullibillity of the heartland. Good people, who take people at their word. Even those they shouldn't. Hyman, think for a moment about this: McCain is employing DC insiders, lobbyist, and Bush admin advisors in all the key roles within his campaign. Yet, he says it's a new day DC and all these people are out on their asses come day one of his administration. Do you really believe that will happen? It's a new day yet "We are all Georgians." A $200,000 sound bite. Smart campaigning, but sleight of hand. This doesn't play well with those who are tired of the subterfuge. As for the John not talking issues, his campaign manager Rick Davis told reporters that this campaign is not about issues. Well, when you've effed up for eight years what else are you going to say? Agree though, Obama needs to sharpen his messege and stop parsing his coomments. [/quote]Agreed that it is hard to swallow McCain's talk about 'change' when he has so many insiders trying to ride on his coattails.
But the guy was strong enough to resist torture in the Hanoi Hilton, so who's to say he can't fight off the attempts of DC insiders to co-opt his rise to power. Maybe he is using them to get elected, but they have underestimated his strength of will.
I find Obama to be an intelligent man and one of the best speakers I've ever seen. Yet, here's what I've learned about him that makes him a complete non-starter when I try to consider with an open mind giving him my "change" vote:
1.) He has already confirmed that he intends to raise my taxes, and is playing the old traditional democratic card of demonizing the rich. I've never once seen a situation where ANY economy was helped by a higher tax burden. Furthermore, it is those "evil rich" who are often the entrepreneurs who have started companies and provided jobs to those poor working class folks Mr. Obama has sworn to serve. Ironic, really, considering that he's made millions from two books that he wrote while working as a government employee.
2.) Related to #1, he's exhibited a fundamental lack of understanding of the most basic of economic theories and principles whenever I've seen him speak on the subject.
3.) His lack of experience is a major concern to me. From what I know of his career, he does not have any significant "executive" experience where he has been responsible for leading folks to acheive a concrete goal. Furthermore, in his limited time in the legistlature(on both a state and local level) he has not authored a significant piece of legislation, nor led any significant initiatives. What has he actually done other than write books and campaign for the presidency?
4.) I am especially concerned about his lack of experience(and apparent lack of savvy) when it comes to international affairs. He has publicly stated that, as the head of the most powerful democracy in the free world, he would be willing to meet with the president of IRAN and the leader of the Palestinian Authority with NO PRECONDITIONS. These are people who see a willingness to negotiate on their terms as a sign of weakness. If Obama were to do this as President, it would be very hurtful to our image in the Middle East, and would send a signal to other hostile countries and terrorist groups that we were being led by an administration that was weak and naive when it came to protecting our country.
5.) I find his connections to Rev. Wright to be troubling. More so when he tried to deny ever knowing that Rev. Wright had such hateful and divisive views about his own mother country. How could Obama be a member of that congregation for over a decade, be a friend of Rev Wright, and not know that Rev. Wright hold those radical viewpoints? It calls Mr. Obama's very credibility into question IMHO.
In summary, I will say again that I think he is a great man with profoundly good intentions. I also respect his place in history.
But for the reasons outlined above, I just can't trust him. McCain is far from perfect, but I'll sleep a lot better with him in the White House than Mr. Obama.
[quote=BondGuy]Hyman, the experience thing is so, well, last week. The new new thing is CHANGE! Try to keep up.
I can't blame you if you fell asleep during John's speech, but just so you know, the messege was change.[/quote]Agreed as well that when it comes to delivering a prepared speech, McCain doesn't measure up to Obama. But that's only a small part of the job they're competing for.....
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
[quote=Primo]
I thinnk Obama's own words speak for themselves. >From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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I'll get back to most of you with some thoughts on your posts, but let me take this piece of trash first. Here in America anyone can say whatever they want. They can even email it to as many people as they wish and the can post it on forums like this one. Obviously Primo isn't an Obama fan and when he got this email he was so happy to get the goods on Obama he sends it here to alert us to the real Obama. Of course(and you know this is coming) none of it is true. The statements are either completely made up, twisted to another menaing or taken out of context. For example the statement about whites, Obama never said it. The statement about standing with Muslims: in context that he would never inter them as we did the Japanese in WW2. The first tip off should come from the fact that the originator of this email trash wasn't smart enough to even get the title of Obama's book right. The correct title of the book is Dreams From My Father. The actual quotes come from places like "The American Conservative" Big surprise there! Factcheck.org, and snopes completely debunk this email as completetly untrue. It is untrue ,read the books if you don't trust Factcheck.org Here's the problem: I'm gonna give Primo the benefit of a doubt here and say he wouldn't have posted this here if he knew it was untrue. I don't know where Primo lives, but that's the gullibility I speak of. How many of you read that post and believed it to be true? How many of you thought it could be partially true. Primo thought it was true and I'd bet he's not alone. How many non thinkers out there do you suppose will see an email like this and use it as a basis for their vote? The bogus Pledge of Alligiance email helped defeat Obama in the Ohio primary. In an informed thinking society emails such as this would pose no threat. Informed, thinking? That ain't us folks. People the only thing at stake is our future. I'm only saying, regardless of who you are for or against, think.Indy, gullible: offensive and devisive words?
Gullibily is not a negative. It's one who is easily duped or deceived. That's the personality trait of a trusting person. Does this not discribe the personality of the american heartland?People who take you at your word? I don't see it as offensive or devisive, and if you do then you are reading in an alternative meaning. That's your problem. To clear it up in the context of my post here's what i meant; For those who voted for Bush in 2004, let's start with this question; If you knew then what you know today about George Bush, the lies, the deceit, all the rest, would you have voted for him? Most people answer that question no. Most people today are not happy about the direction Bush has taken us and had they known then what they know today they most likely would not have voted for him in 2004. Here's the point: The Bush negatives were in the public domain in 2004. There for anyone who wanted to see them. However, the 04 Bush campaign was in itself so deceptive that many people were deceived into voting him to a second term. The heartland is awash in red on that count. Can i blame them for falling for the deceit? yes and no. I'll give you that it may be unfair to call the only heartland gullible when I live in a repulican congresssional district that went for Bush in 04. Especially when i have neighbors tell me how discusted they are with Bush/cheney and they quote something they don't like. Mostly it's the war, but almost all of what i hear was out there before 04. They too were duped. You said it best yourself "If you're not watching, listening and reading you shouldn't be voting."[quote=BondGuy][quote=Primo]
I thinnk Obama's own words speak for themselves. >From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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I'll get back to most of you with some thoughts on your posts, but let me take this piece of trash first. Here in America anyone can say whatever they want. They can even email it to as many people as they wish and the can post it on forums like this one. Obviously Primo isn't an Obama fan and when he got this email he was so happy to get the goods on Obama he sends it here to alert us to the real Obama. Of course(and you know this is coming) none of it is true. The statements are either completely made up, twisted to another menaing or taken out of context. For example the statement about whites, Obama never said it. The statement about standing with Muslims: in context that he would never inter them as we did the Japanese in WW2. The first tip off should come from the fact that the originator of this email trash wasn't smart enough to even get the title of Obama's book right. The correct title of the book is Dreams From My Father. The actual quotes come from places like "The American Conservative" Big surprise there! Factcheck.org, and snopes completely debunk this email as completetly untrue. It is untrue ,read the books if you don't trust Factcheck.org Here's the problem: I'm gonna give Primo the benefit of a doubt here and say he wouldn't have posted this here if he knew it was untrue. I don't know where Primo lives, but that's the gullibility I speak of. How many of you read that post and believed it to be true? How many of you thought it could be partially true. Primo thought it was true and I'd bet he's not alone. How many non thinkers out there do you suppose will see an email like this and use it as a basis for their vote? The bogus Pledge of Alligiance email helped defeat Obama in the Ohio primary. In an informed thinking society emails such as this would pose no threat. Informed, thinking? That ain't us folks. People the only thing at stake is our future. I'm only saying, regardless of who you are for or against, think. [/quote] At first I felt bad BG that you put that much effort in to responding to obviously false statements. To use your own words, the wrong title of the book was the first clue. You suggested that I "think", I suggest you do the same. Then I went to factcheck.org and realized you basically copied their text in your post. Now I am back to being amused. Ironically, I posted the email to see who would bite on it. Who would take it at face value and run with it. In other words, who doesn't "think".Hyman, did you vote for Bush in 2000?
If so was his foreign policy experience a front burner issue with you then as it is for you with Obama today? Even if it was, you did you still vote for Bush? Pre first term Bush had zero foreign policy experience. This isn't atop secret or some left wing tin foil diatribe. Nor is it as some RR posters put it, a first class lie, or fiction. Bush freely admits to this. Read Bob Woodward's book 'State of Denial" if you are interested in learning the details of Bush's early FP mentoring. So the question is: if it wasn't an issue then, why is it an issue now? The answer is it shouldn't be an issue at all. Many presidents come to office with no foreign policy expereince. The question shouldn't be are they qualified on day one. Because, clearly, most aren't. Clinton and Bush are two modern day examples. The question should be, do they have the capacity to grow into the job based on their experiences and character? It is only an issue because Mccain has made it an issue in this campaign. He can't run on the iisues because he is a clear loser on the the issues. So, first he ran on experience and now he's running on change. Hyman, back in 2000, if you voted for Bush, was his minister a front burner issue for then as it is for you today with obama? I'm gonna guess no. And that's as it should be. I too respect Mccain's military history but we're past that now. it's what is he going to do to lead this country? As for the economy, It is Obama who has hit the nail square on the head. it is the Mccain campaign that is adjusting to counter Obama's very effective with working guy message. Not advising your wife to leave the bling at home while in the national spotlight of a presidential convention shows an out of touch element. Cindy, as you know by now was wearing an outfit estimated by Vanity Fair to be worth $300,000. Hyman, that doesn't play well in factory towns.Anyone else get the impression that Bond Guy is a complete elitist snob that you wouldn’t invite to a back yard barbeque if your life depended on it?
Gullibily is not a negative. It’s one who is easily duped or deceived.
That’s the personality trait of a trusting person. Does this not
discribe the personality of the american heartland?People who take you
at your word? I don’t see it as offensive or devisive, and if you do
then you are reading in an alternative meaning. That’s your problem.
He can’t understand why his words are offensive to those of us who live in small town America. Sure, everyone likes being called gullible and condescended to by people like Bond Guy. Being told that your values are just a result of some sort of mental defect. Keep it up. Keep insulting people and that’s a sure fire way to win them to your side. Hope you don’t use this tactic with your clients.
Not advising your wife to leave the bling at home while in the national
spotlight of a presidential convention shows an out of touch element.
Cindy, as you know by now was wearing an outfit estimated by Vanity
Fair to be worth $300,000. Hyman, that doesn’t play well in factory
towns.
Ah yes… the old class warfare bullshit that the left always tries to play. I know no such thing about her outfit as I don’t read Vanity Fair, who would? First of all, as a woman I thought that Cindy McCain looked rather nice if a bit overdressed. I preferred Sarah Palin’s more understated style.
However, what plays well in factory towns is the fact that Cindy’s family got their wealth the good old fashioned way by working their asses off: starting a small business with one beer truck and building it into a success story that is the dream of those poor gullible dopes (as Bond Guy would put it) who live in the factory towns. Clue for you…people are not resentful of such stories but instead take hope that they too might be able to achieve the same success.
Try again. This is the crap that the left keeps trying to float, but it won’t work because you have no connection to or understanding of what Mid America or small town America is about.
Here is a story to illustrate the snobbish disconnection of city vs the rest of the country. Snobs like Obama vs ordinary working people like Palin. I live in a rural/agricultural/resort area. Recently had some relatives come to visit from the Big City. At a local function I introduced them to one of my clients who was wearing jeans, beaten up cowboy hat and had just come from a ‘roping competition’. My relatives were cold and not in the least interested in talking to him and after he left made fun of him. Little did they know he is a multi multi millionare who owns large amounts of the Big City they came from and has controlling interests in several industrial center complexes throughout the State as well as homes in places they could only hope to visit. My client built his wealth based on a small plumbing business in the Big City that he inherited from his father. He lives here in bumfuck rural America because he wants to and he likes the people who live here and holds the same values. They were standing in the midst of millionares and people who can afford to own $80,000 horse trailers for their $100,000 roping horses and enjoy doing what they like. BUT…because they didn’t have the designer sun glasses, perfectly coifed hair and had some dirt
on their boots they passed them over like they were trailer trash. See yourself in this scenario anywhere BG?
Bond Guy…I suggest you read something other than the Daily Kos for your talking points. The dress that Cindy McCain wore wasn’t 300K. Granted she was wearing some kick ass jewelry which she owns and paid for through her business income. No one gives Angelena Jolie grief for her expensive expensive outfits…or for her mothering skills for all the children she has accumulated either.
When Cindy McCain made her first appearance at the Republican National
Convention, she was wearing a buttercup-yellow shirt dress with a
flipped-up collar by Seventh Avenue designer Oscar de la Renta. As is
the current fashion, the dress looked as though the designer had found
some inspiration in the early 1960s world of “Mad Men.” It was
feminine, reserved and lovely. Ballpark price for a de la Renta dress:
$3,000.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090501027.html?nav=rss_print/style
How much do you pay for one of your good business suits and accessories? Rolex?
Looney, it is only wrong to be wealthy if your are not a Democrat. I would like to see a Democrat put their money where their mouth is. Maybe send a few extra bucks to the IRS each year to do their part.
Primo, are you saying that you posted the email knowing it was false?
I gave you the benefit of a doubt that you posted it thinking it was true? We all do that from time to time. An honest mistake. From an integrity POV, that's the better outcome. Lest we never trust anything you post here in the future. After rereading my post I apologize to you about the thinker comment. In the last three lines of that post i was talking about people in general, not you. After rereading it though, I don't blame you if you're pissed at me. I can see how it reads. Just to be clear, i wasn't calling you a non thinker.I’m not upset in the least, and yes I was aware it was false before I posted it. I assumed it was so blatantly obvious that only a “non-thinker” (to use your own term) would run with it. Sometimes I have been criticized for my subtlety.
Oh, i see you're confused about the meaning of the word guillible. Let me give you some synonyms: innocent, trustful,simple, naive. Anything meaning mental defect in those words? There isn't. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant. The people i put down in that post are the deceivers. To clear that up for you they would be the 2004 Bush campaign leaders. These are the people who duped good people into giving them a second term. people including my neighbors and coworkers. Average people who didn't bother to inform themselves and just voted the party line. People like you babs. People like you who wouldn't give Bush another term today because of all that has happened, voted for him then. You voted for him then even though almost all the negatives were in the public domain at that time. There to see for anyone who bothered to look. But you didn't look. You took Bush at his word. Things could have been different. To me it is inconceivable that anyone would have voted for Bush in 04 knowing the Iraq invasion was based on a lie. Yet he got away with putting it past the American public in 04. That's the deception. The heartland voted overwelmingly for Bush in 04. They were the deceived, the innocent, the naive, the trustful. Maybe in your book that's a mental defect, in mine it is far from it. Apparently, you've read many things into that post that i never said. I live in a town, not a big city. I wasn't putting small town america down. That you've connected alternative meanings to the word gullible is more than a little scary. Lastly, that you immediatly embraced Palin without knowing her is disconcerting. Sarah Palin may turn out to be the best thing that's ever happened to this country, but that's not the point. McCain could have appointed a bucket of shit to run with him for office and you'd have embraced it as well. You keep making the same mistake. You are the problem babs. Take a look around at the mess this country is in. Economy in the toilet, tens of thousands of people dead on a war based on a lie. People losing their jobs. Others barely scraping by. Our rights flushed. Look at all that and then look into a mirror. Because it's your fault babs. You and your millionaire roping horse freinds who are just fine with the way things are. lastly, the cindy Mccain thing, I got it from fox news. They are the ones concerned that McCain may come off as out of touch. You can google it. It checks out. What was she thinking wearing an outfit that cost as much as nice house?Anyone else get the impression that Bond Guy is a complete elitist snob that you wouldn’t invite to a back yard barbeque if your life depended on it?
Gullibily is not a negative. It’s one who is easily duped or deceived. That’s the personality trait of a trusting person. Does this not discribe the personality of the american heartland?People who take you at your word? I don’t see it as offensive or devisive, and if you do then you are reading in an alternative meaning. That’s your problem.
He can’t understand why his words are offensive to those of us who live in small town America. Sure, everyone likes being called gullible and condescended to by people like Bond Guy. Being told that your values are just a result of some sort of mental defect. Keep it up. Keep insulting people and that’s a sure fire way to win them to your side. Hope you don’t use this tactic with your clients.
Not advising your wife to leave the bling at home while in the national spotlight of a presidential convention shows an out of touch element. Cindy, as you know by now was wearing an outfit estimated by Vanity Fair to be worth $300,000. Hyman, that doesn’t play well in factory towns.
Ah yes… the old class warfare bullshit that the left always tries to play. I know no such thing about her outfit as I don’t read Vanity Fair, who would? First of all, as a woman I thought that Cindy McCain looked rather nice if a bit overdressed. I preferred Sarah Palin’s more understated style.
However, what plays well in factory towns is the fact that Cindy’s family got their wealth the good old fashioned way by working their asses off: starting a small business with one beer truck and building it into a success story that is the dream of those poor gullible dopes (as Bond Guy would put it) who live in the factory towns. Clue for you…people are not resentful of such stories but instead take hope that they too might be able to achieve the same success.
Try again. This is the crap that the left keeps trying to float, but it won’t work because you have no connection to or understanding of what Mid America or small town America is about.
Here is a story to illustrate the snobbish disconnection of city vs the rest of the country. Snobs like Obama vs ordinary working people like Palin. I live in a rural/agricultural/resort area. Recently had some relatives come to visit from the Big City. At a local function I introduced them to one of my clients who was wearing jeans, beaten up cowboy hat and had just come from a ‘roping competition’. My relatives were cold and not in the least interested in talking to him and after he left made fun of him. Little did they know he is a multi multi millionare who owns large amounts of the Big City they came from and has controlling interests in several industrial center complexes throughout the State as well as homes in places they could only hope to visit. My client built his wealth based on a small plumbing business in the Big City that he inherited from his father. He lives here in bumfuck rural America because he wants to and he likes the people who live here and holds the same values. They were standing in the midst of millionares and people who can afford to own $80,000 horse trailers for their $100,000 roping horses and enjoy doing what they like. BUT…because they didn’t have the designer sun glasses, perfectly coifed hair and had some dirt on their boots they passed them over like they were trailer trash. See yourself in this scenario anywhere BG?