Physical Confrontation
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[quote=BioFreeze] [quote=BondGuy]Walking away, if possible, is always the right answer. Answering will lead to confrontation. If they have a weaopn you are screwed. If you pull a weapon on them and they are unarmed you are screwed, regardless of how many of your teeth are on the sidewalk. It’s just the way it is.
Years ago i had a problem with of all people, a motorcycle gang. Not the Hells Angels or Warlocks. Just some half-assed local nitwits. I couldn't deal with these guys head on because I'd lose. So i made a phone call to a friend. This guy was ranking law enforcement official. Now, don't know exactly what happened, except that pleasantries were exchanged and that the messege that these guys should consider certain neighborhoods toxic to their continued ability to walk upright on the planet was successfully conveyed. Officially all I know is that within a few days of making the call I never saw these guys again. Diplomacy is always the right answer. [/quote]If you're ever attacked in front of me, I'll keep my weapon holstered. I'll just tell your family that you didn't believe in self-defense.
[/quote] Bio, How many times have you had to unholster your weapon? I'm guessing never. Around here, where it illegal to carry a weapon let alone pull one, pointing a gun at anyone, with rare exception, is a one way ticket to a mandatory five year stint. But i do agree with you in that, in that once in a lifetime situation that few of us luckily will never face, having a weapon could come it handy. Let's move on to reading comprehension. Please edit my post as you see fit to show me where you got that i don't believe in self defense? Diplomacy, is self defense. But feel free to read it anyway you'd like.
[quote=mrjones99999][quote=army13A]This is kind of a follow up from Moraen’s topic on politeness but a step further.
Is there ever a time when words from some punks would result in a physical confrontation? Example, you're walking with your family and some punks say some dumb crap in passing. This happened over the weekend as I was with my family and extended family and some young punks (about 7 of them) walked by and said some stupid stuff. To be honest, I couldn't really make out what they were saying but a relative of mine ( a self proclaimed tough guy) wanted to teach them a lesson and start a fight. Situation: we were in Jamaica, Queens. If anyone is remotely familiar with NYC, you know Jamaica, Queens, in general, is not the best place. That said, it wasn't the worst area in the world but still pretty rough. Luckily, nothing happened and no one got hurt but it could have been a messy situation. I was really upset as I don't think any words, regardless of the content, would warrant me risking losing everything over some young punks who have nothing to lose. My relative is of a different mindset, mostly macho crap. Any thoughts? [/quote] Being a 13A is your problem. We 11Bs aren't phased by something so innocent![/quote] Who said I was phased? If you read my post, I said a relative of mine got upset, not me. Mr Jones, when did you get out of the service?[quote=BioFreeze]
I never have unholstered it and hope it stays that way. You are not screwed if you pull a weapon on an unarmed person. You only have to be in fear for your life or someone's life who is present.
[/quote] Well, you are screwed here. Bigtime! The only reason i can see for owning a gun is for the possible breakdown of civilian rule. I almost bought one after 9/11. Please show me where i said i don't believe in self defense.
[quote=mrjones99999][quote=army13A]This is kind of a follow up from Moraen’s topic on politeness but a step further.
Is there ever a time when words from some punks would result in a physical confrontation? Example, you're walking with your family and some punks say some dumb crap in passing. This happened over the weekend as I was with my family and extended family and some young punks (about 7 of them) walked by and said some stupid stuff. To be honest, I couldn't really make out what they were saying but a relative of mine ( a self proclaimed tough guy) wanted to teach them a lesson and start a fight. Situation: we were in Jamaica, Queens. If anyone is remotely familiar with NYC, you know Jamaica, Queens, in general, is not the best place. That said, it wasn't the worst area in the world but still pretty rough. Luckily, nothing happened and no one got hurt but it could have been a messy situation. I was really upset as I don't think any words, regardless of the content, would warrant me risking losing everything over some young punks who have nothing to lose. My relative is of a different mindset, mostly macho crap. Any thoughts? [/quote] Being a 13A is your problem. We 11Bs aren't phased by something so innocent![/quote] Just over 2 years ago, SIR! You?Recently got confronted by a 19-20 year-old punk kid because I stopped for someone in a crosswalk. He was aggressively tailgating me, flipping me off, and yelling all kinds of obscenities at me. I pulled into a C-Store (because I knew there were surveillance cameras there), got out and walked towards the guy’s car. He shoved me. I chicken-winged his right arm with my left, spun him around, and face-planted him into the asphalt with about 20 people looking on while still wearing my suit. I then put my knee into and neck and said, “From here, I can bash your f-ing head into this pavement all day long. I can kill you with my bare hands. Had enough?” He said he’d had enough. I let him up. He rushed me again. I kind of stood back, looked over at a lady watching all of this and said, “Ma’am, can you call an ambulance? Because this guy’s going to need one. And, make sure they have a ventilator on board.” The guy ran back to his car, and tore out of the parking lot. True story.
[quote=mrjones99999][quote=mrjones99999][quote=army13A]This is kind of a follow up from Moraen’s topic on politeness but a step further.
Is there ever a time when words from some punks would result in a physical confrontation? Example, you're walking with your family and some punks say some dumb crap in passing. This happened over the weekend as I was with my family and extended family and some young punks (about 7 of them) walked by and said some stupid stuff. To be honest, I couldn't really make out what they were saying but a relative of mine ( a self proclaimed tough guy) wanted to teach them a lesson and start a fight. Situation: we were in Jamaica, Queens. If anyone is remotely familiar with NYC, you know Jamaica, Queens, in general, is not the best place. That said, it wasn't the worst area in the world but still pretty rough. Luckily, nothing happened and no one got hurt but it could have been a messy situation. I was really upset as I don't think any words, regardless of the content, would warrant me risking losing everything over some young punks who have nothing to lose. My relative is of a different mindset, mostly macho crap. Any thoughts? [/quote] Being a 13A is your problem. We 11Bs aren't phased by something so innocent![/quote] Just over 2 years ago, SIR! You?[/quote] Hooah! I left active in late 2005. I tell you, I miss it everyday but the OPTEMPO was killing me. Constantly in the field or on a mission; had to hang it up because I wanted to settle down. If I was still single, I would have stayed in, no question.I have a CCW, and you and I both know that if you so much as show them your gun, you are seriously effed. On another note, I became much more self aware after getting into this career. In my younger years I was always the guy ready to jump into a physical confrontation over some "punks" saying something stupid. When I got rolling in the "real world" I finally figure out that its better to confront them verbally. Nine times out of 10 they get scared and either apologize or walk away. (it probably doesn't hurt that I'm 6'3'' and not exactly built like a flagpole.) HOWEVER, if something unblowoffable is said to my Wife, or the threat of a physical confrontation is brought on by the other person, than yes, it is ok to remind them what my fist tastes like.[/quote][quote=UNDERMINDED][quote=BioFreeze]Concealed handgun.
If my life is in imminent danger, I will aim my weapon at the threat and fire it until the threat is over. The only time it gets drawn is when my life is in danger.
Thugs in NYC know that normal people are unarmed and feel safe when they torment them. Not so much, here in Texas.
[/quote] Yep here in the state of XX many people are armed. Kind of makes a lot of people more polite. If you break into a house you have a real chance of being shot dead on the spot. The cops here will shoot a guy down in a heartbeat if necessary. I think they're awesome. I just bought a .22 with a suppressor on gunbroker. Now I can stitch without ear rings.
This past week, on a crowded street in NYC, two pedestrians bumped into each other. One a 20 year old high school drop out, the other, a military veteran with a light criminal record. They both squared off with each other getting ready for a fight...as they approached each other, the veteran plunged a knife into the dropout killing him. 48 hours later, the veteran took his own life believing he was acting in self defense...but obviously overcome with guilt. This sh*t happens every day in NYC. A wanna-be tough guy wants to talk sh*t to the next person who crosses his path. Sometimes he's drunk; sometimes he's high. Often he has a weapon; sometimes he's armed. When two of these people cross paths, bad things happen. No one with a healthy level of testosterone ever wants to walk away from a fight...but, when you have a wife, kids or goals in your life...it's what you have to do. Smartest thing you can do is have a plan in place before it happens to you...dumbest thing you can do is carry a gun.If my life is in imminent danger, I will aim my weapon at the threat and fire it until the threat is over. The only time it gets drawn is when my life is in danger.
Thugs in NYC know that normal people are unarmed and feel safe when they torment them. Not so much, here in Texas.
Let me be clear on something. Me: 6'3", 210#, used to participate in what they called "smokers" around where I grew up, former Army Ranger/Pathfinder, regularly work out at a gym--not show up, but actually work out. This guy: Maybe 5'10", sleeve tatt on one arm, maybe 160#, no discernable muscle definition anywhere on his body. My point is, it was light duty. Mostly, I wanted the guy to quit tailgating me, honking, and whatever else on a very busy stretch of state highway. I was very surprised when he wanted a physical confrontation. I guess he figured I was old and in a suit, and that he could intimidate me. He wasn't expecting to get face-planted into the asphalt in less than 10 seconds.
Liar.
Let me be clear on something. Me: 6'3", 210#, used to participate in what they called "smokers" around where I grew up, former Army Ranger/Pathfinder, regularly work out at a gym--not show up, but actually work out. This guy: Maybe 5'10", sleeve tatt on one arm, maybe 160#, no discernable muscle definition anywhere on his body. My point is, it was light duty. Mostly, I wanted the guy to quit tailgating me, honking, and whatever else on a very busy stretch of state highway. I was very surprised when he wanted a physical confrontation. I guess he figured I was old and in a suit, and that he could intimidate me. He wasn't expecting to get face-planted into the asphalt in less than 10 seconds. [/quote] You are lying...[quote=BioFreeze] Liar.
[quote=BioFreeze] Liar.
Let me be clear on something. Me: 6’3", 210#, used to participate in what they called “smokers” around where I grew up, former Army Ranger/Pathfinder, regularly work out at a gym–not show up, but actually work out. This guy: Maybe 5’10", sleeve tatt on one arm, maybe 160#, no discernable muscle definition anywhere on his body. My point is, it was light duty. Mostly, I wanted the guy to quit tailgating me, honking, and whatever else on a very busy stretch of state highway. I was very surprised when he wanted a physical confrontation. I guess he figured I was old and in a suit, and that he could intimidate me. He wasn’t expecting to get face-planted into the asphalt in less than 10 seconds. [/quote]
Why would a Ranger use a chicken-wing to put someone down? What was your class number? Did you graduate in the 80’s?
Also, seems odd that you were that aggressive about tailgating given your training.
I was not tailgating him; he was tailgating me. I guess he got angry because I stopped for two people in a marked crosswalk. There had been some discussion of installing a traffic signal at this particular crosswalk because people had not been stopping, and there had been some near misses. So, motorcycle patrol officers had been monitoring that section of road heavily in the days leading up to it. I stop for people in crosswalks anyway, but was particularly careful about this one. I guess this guy thought if I had maintained speed that we could have been through the crosswalk before the pedestrians entered. I chicken-winged him because the first thing I could grab was his right wrist with my left hand. Don't give class numbers or anything else that might compromise anonymity on a forum like this. Enlisted in the late 80's, went to OBC and Ranger school in the early 90's--nuff said. I've been in many confrontations in my life--so many that I lost count years ago. The reality is, most guys have never been hit in the face. And, most don't react very well when it happens. For the most part, if you land a good clean shot on somebody and it really doesn't back them off or deter them, you're either in a world of sh*t or in a damn good fight. 90% of the guys out there just fall to pieces when they get hit pretty good or see their own blood. However, like someone else said on this thread, you grow up and move past this stuff. I had not had anything like this happen in almost 11 years. I used to be the guy that if someone were looking for a problem, I'd do everything I could to help 'em find it. The last one of these deals I was involved in was at a bachelor party of a wedding in which I was the best man. So, this kind of took me by surprise. I couldn't believe such a goofy little twit wanted a broo-ha-ha with some guy who outweighed him by 50 lbs. I'm done with this thread. Has just gotten stupid.[
Why would a Ranger use a chicken-wing to put someone down? What was your class number? Did you graduate in the 80’s?
Also, seems odd that you were that aggressive about tailgating given your training.
It got stupid when you bragged about being a badass.
A chicken wing is an unsupported move. Very little leverage. If you could grab his right wrist with your left hand, you could have immobilized him very easily with a wrist lock. Could have driven him to his knees and had enough pressure to break his arm if you wanted. Also give you leverage to do anything you want with him.
So you are at least 37 years of age and getting mad at someone for tailgating you? Enough to do violence? Odd. The only people who would understand your class number are people that went through Ranger school with you.
I never knew a single O who went to Ranger school to act like that. Sounds more like a recycled IOBC grad.
But I don’t know you, so I’ll go ahead and believe you. Early 90’s Ranger school would have taught you better though, IMO. Maybe your RI’s were slackers.
Moraen is the man.It got stupid when you bragged about being a badass.
A chicken wing is an unsupported move. Very little leverage. If you could grab his right wrist with your left hand, you could have immobilized him very easily with a wrist lock. Could have driven him to his knees and had enough pressure to break his arm if you wanted. Also give you leverage to do anything you want with him.
So you are at least 37 years of age and getting mad at someone for tailgating you? Enough to do violence? Odd. The only people who would understand your class number are people that went through Ranger school with you.
I never knew a single O who went to Ranger school to act like that. Sounds more like a recycled IOBC grad.
But I don’t know you, so I’ll go ahead and believe you. Early 90’s Ranger school would have taught you better though, IMO. Maybe your RI’s were slackers.
[quote=BerkshireBull] Surveillance footage of soothsayer taking care of a “punk” at the gym
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That was hilarious.