Milyunair:

Funny, it will be even funnier when liberals learn to laugh at themselves (endless source of humor). Probably about when the money runs out.

  When?   That may be the funniest thing I've heard all day. 

Obama should borrow up to 1.3 times GDP to keep our economy moving. Bush should have run a surplus budget from '04-'07 but he didn’t.

  Bush just passed the debt on to the next administration...and now you jackasses are complaining about it like it is a "liberal" debt? I could teach you something, but you probably aren't into learning.

[quote=Milyunair]Teach me. Tell me how you talk to clients. Be funny, Billy.

  If I make a hundred fifty grand, I should put a second mortgage on my house and invest in my practice and my life up to $195,000 to keep it moving. My dad should have paid for my college, and run a budget surplus to do it, but he didn't.   Dad didn't pay for my college, so I had to work while other kids partied, and I had to put my corporate job suits and ties on charge cards and it took years to pay off my student loans.   And now you  are saying, " Yeah, so what?" and I could just ask you to leave me alone and stop taking my money, but you probably aren't in to capitalism.   I would love to buy from you Mr. Billy prospect, but this needs to be a good fit, because we might be working together for a long time, so you go home and think about it and call me if you want to work together.   How did Keynes actually make his money, anyway? Oh, was it the taxpayers?   You call some professionals who manage capital morons for wanting to replace debt with capital? The fact that you do so in a righteous manner - is funny.   Do you get it? It's called - capital. You're being right -eous. Do you believe you can cloak economic theory in political emotion, and sell your ideas here? Go for it!   Be honest, dead men don't lie. [/quote]

[quote=Billy Mays]

  Bush just passed the debt on to the next administration...and now you jackasses are complaining about it like it is a "liberal" debt? I could teach you something, but you probably aren't into learning. [/quote]   I doubt you could teach anyone anything on the subject since you're consumed by Bush debt-drop in the Obama deficit ocean.

[quote=Milyunair][quote=Milyunair]Teach me. Tell me how you talk to clients. Be funny, Billy.

  If I make a hundred fifty grand, I should put a second mortgage on my house and invest in my practice and my life up to $195,000 to keep it moving. My dad should have paid for my college, and run a budget surplus to do it, but he didn't.   Dad didn't pay for my college, so I had to work while other kids partied, and I had to put my corporate job suits and ties on charge cards and it took years to pay off my student loans.   And now you  are saying, " Yeah, so what?" and I could just ask you to leave me alone and stop taking my money, but you probably aren't in to capitalism.   I would love to buy from you Mr. Billy prospect, but this needs to be a good fit, because we might be working together for a long time, so you go home and think about it and call me if you want to work together.   How did Keynes actually make his money, anyway? Oh, was it the taxpayers?   You call some professionals who manage capital morons for wanting to replace debt with capital? The fact that you do so in a righteous manner - is funny.   Do you get it? It's called - capital. You're being right -eous. Do you believe you can cloak economic theory in political emotion, and sell your ideas here? Go for it!   Be honest, dead men don't lie. [/quote] [/quote]   So you are saying that Bush (Republican) debt is good. And, Obama (Democratic) debt is bad.   You really are stupider than you think.

Just a thought, maybe I'm not so Keen on Bush debt.   Assuming THAT, and the fact that you're smarter, please explain yourself.

[quote=Billy Mays]

  So you are saying that Bush (Republican) debt is good. And, Obama (Democratic) debt is bad.   You really are stupider than you think. [/quote]   Huh? I can't speak for Milyunair, but my point is that you're trying to make the case that Obama's massive increase in debt is somehow acceptable cause Bush had a (much, much, much smaller) debt, or worse yet, that Obama's explosion of debt isn't his fault, it's Bush's.   We've discussed economics before and I'm still laughing about your rage at the rich ("they add nothing to the economy"). Just what are you doing in this business when you hate your potential clients? Speaking of potential, do you actually have any yet? In July weren't you talking about how tough it was opening your first account?

[quote=Milyunair]

Just a thought, maybe I'm not so Keen on Bush debt.   Assuming THAT, and the fact that you're smarter, please explain yourself. [/quote]   check out my blue balls...

[quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Billy Mays]

So you are saying that Bush (Republican) debt is good. And, Obama (Democratic) debt is bad.   You really are stupider than you think. [/quote]   Huh? I can't speak for Milyunair, but my point is that you're trying to make the case that Obama's massive increase in debt is somehow acceptable cause Bush had a (much, much, much smaller) debt, or worse yet, that Obama's explosion of debt isn't his fault, it's Bush's.   We've discussed economics before and I'm still laughing about your rage at the rich ("they add nothing to the economy"). Just what are you doing in this business when you hate your potential clients? Speaking of potential, do you actually have any yet? In July weren't you talking about how tough it was opening your first account?[/quote]   #1 - I've opened quite a few accounts since August. I just needed to keep asking. #2 - We will never agree on the Death Tax - give to god what is gods; give to ceasar what is ceasars. done! #3 - Government should borrow and spend during a recession; government should pay down their debts during a boom. It's just like running a lemonaide stand. If Bush ran a lemonaide stand the way he ran our country, it would go out of business. #4 - We are printing money to avert a disaster. If we were still on the gold standard, Bush would have bankrupted the country. It would be the great depression again. #5 - I don't have to like the people I do business with. I'm not their friend - it's just business.  

[quote=Billy Mays] [quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Billy Mays]

So you are saying that Bush (Republican) debt is good.

And, Obama (Democratic) debt is bad.



You really are stupider than you think. [/quote]



Huh? I can’t speak for Milyunair, but my point is that you’re trying to make the case that Obama’s massive increase in debt is somehow acceptable cause Bush had a (much, much, much smaller) debt, or worse yet, that Obama’s explosion of debt isn’t his fault, it’s Bush’s.



We’ve discussed economics before and I’m still laughing about your rage at the rich (“they add nothing to the economy”). Just what are you doing in this business when you hate your potential clients? Speaking of potential, do you actually have any yet? In July weren’t you talking about how tough it was opening your first account?[/quote]



#1 - I’ve opened quite a few accounts since August. I just needed to keep asking.

#2 - We will never agree on the Death Tax - give to god what is gods; give to ceasar what is ceasars. done!

#3 - Government should borrow and spend during a recession; government should pay down their debts during a boom. It’s just like running a lemonaide stand. If Bush ran a lemonaide stand the way he ran our country, it would go out of business.

#4 - We are printing money to avert a disaster. If we were still on the gold standard, Bush would have bankrupted the country. It would be the great depression again.

#5 - I don’t have to like the people I do business with. I’m not their friend - it’s just business.

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1. Good for you. Opening accounts is awesome

2. You are right. We’ll never agree on that. How do you figure that my money is Caesar’s?

3. Bush had a little thing called 9/11 to contend with. Fighting a war on Terror costs money. Since we have never fought that kind of war, what did you expect?

4. Bush, Bush, Bush. You don’t blame other Presidents for spending ridiculous amounts of money? We would have had another great depression any number of times. Forget for a moment that presidents don’t determine how productive we are, do you really think that Bush is the only president who has done things wrong?

5. Very true. But you do have to be able to empathize with them. Your opinions will come through in your recommendations and could possibly lose business in the long run.



Obama has chosen to increase the debt more than it already was. To “avert” high unemployment. Unemployment has gone up. Health Care reform will increase the debt beyond anything Bush has done. You want to talk about lemonade stands? Obama is selling the crap the cub scouts do at the grocery stores. At least Bush was trying to sell Girl Scout cookies. What about Tarp II? Smart? Of course not.



Billy, this country is great because of capitalism. We will continue to lose our status as a great power with ideas like the current administration.



I hope that President Obama takes a week off, reflects on his ideals, comes back and actually starts to think straight.

I hate to quote wikipedia, but they have a great chart of debt/president. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms Republican presidents borrow money to pay for their "tax cuts". Just smoke & mirrors.   I've got to ask, where were the tea-parties back in '05??? Nothing but a bunch of tea-baggers, if you ask me.  

[quote=Billy Mays]

I hate to quote wikipedia, but they have a great chart of debt/president. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms Republican presidents borrow money to pay for their "tax cuts". Just smoke & mirrors.   I've got to ask, where were the tea-parties back in '05??? Nothing but a bunch of tea-baggers, if you ask me.  [/quote]     Wow, that is an impressive wikipedia entry which would make your point if Presidents could appropriate money, but they can't, so it doesn't.  As far as your next statement, typical liberal bluster.  Liberals feel that a tax cut is a governement subsidy, when in fact it is allowing those the earn the money to keep the money.  It is not a gift.  BTW, you do know that after Bush's tax cuts in 2003, federal tax receipts went up in 2004, 05, 06, and 07.  You know that, right?

if cutting taxes increases tax receipts, everyone would do it...smoke and mirrors again.

and, if cutting taxes increased tax receipts, why did our debt increase.   you don't know what you are talking about.  

[quote=Billy Mays]

  if cutting taxes increases tax receipts, everyone would do it...smoke and mirrors again. Sorry, couldn't find anything on Wikipedia, hope this helps. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200   and, if cutting taxes increased tax receipts, why did our debt increase. Might have something to do with spending.  Yep, pretty sure that is it.   To summarize, tax cuts led to higher tax receipts, yet spending put us further into debt.   you don't know what you are talking about. It simply takes a deeper understanding of economics which most liberals such as yourself have difficulty understanding.  You say less taxes can't mean higher receipts, that doesn't make sense.   What you don't get is  less taxes means individuals have the ability to spend the money, which they do far more effeciently than the government.  The additional dollars available due to lower taxes lead to economic growth, which, you guessed it, increases tax receipts.  This isn't a new concept, you might want to look into it.  [/quote]

It simply takes a deeper understanding of economics which most liberals such as yourself have difficulty understanding. 

  This about sums it up.   So much for debating the virtues of continuing this modern leftist (according to a majority of the American people) experiment in Keynesian economics versus tax cuts - trading ignorant thoughts with an anonymous passive aggressive liberal and probably Godless dead guy named Billy who can't conduct discourse at the Economics 201 level and apparently thinks he's smarter than everybody else.   Smart enough to manage other people's money?   In a free country, the burden of proof is on the tax collector, not the creators of wealth.   It's pretty obvious that something big is happening in America right now, and it has more to do with taking personal responsibility than applying the tired ideas of the status quo to a depressed post industrial economy.   If you want to understand what is happening, follow job creation, investment and wages. This recession is not typical, and it is obvious that dropping money from airplanes to stimulate the economy, which has worked in the past, is not working now.

[quote=Milyunair]It simply takes a deeper understanding of economics which most liberals such as yourself have difficulty understanding. 

  This about sums it up.   So much for debating the virtues of continuing this modern leftist (according to a majority of the American people) experiment in Keynesian economics versus tax cuts - trading ignorant thoughts with an anonymous passive aggressive liberal and probably Godless dead guy named Billy who can't conduct discourse at the Economics 201 level and apparently thinks he's smarter than everybody else.   Smart enough to manage other people's money?   In a free country, the burden of proof is on the tax collector, not the creators of wealth.   It's pretty obvious that something big is happening in America right now, and it has more to do with taking personal responsibility than applying the tired ideas of the status quo to a depressed post industrial economy.   If you want to understand what is happening, follow job creation, investment and wages. This recession is not typical, and it is obvious that dropping money from airplanes to stimulate the economy, which has worked in the past, is not working now.   The only viable solution is to increase the small business economy, at the expense of big government, big corporations, unions, and even the social welfare agenda. [/quote]