[quote=Butkus]

I noticed with interest that Jones has recently been named a top company to work for in the states of Kentucky, New Jersey, Indiana and Ohio. Of course it's important to point out that working for a organization like a moronic drone in a dark cave is infinitely beneath the pure fresh air of independence on a mountain peak (with apologies to Abraham Lincoln, the Pope, Billy Graham, Derek Jeter, Walter Cronkite, and Bob Denver, all of whom worked for an organization).

For some reason I did a search on Google and Yahoo on "Edward Jones Investments" and didn't find anything negative (going in some pages of links). Apparently it's pretty hard for clients and potential clients to have the insight about the company prevalent on this site. All they are likely to see are things shoved at them by a loser at the door from those third party/public sources like JD Power (#1 customer satisfaction 2 years in a row), Registered Rep (#1 14 years straight), Fortune (top 100 company to work for 7 years straight), Smart Money, Kiplinger's, etc, ad nauseum. Bummer.

Maybe if everyone here worked harder posting so much that no other topics can be visible for long, the word could get out. It's all about the effort.

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Butkus:  good job!

Now THIS is how you should professionally handle people who you want off the site.  Politely ignore them and talk amongst yourselves.  (They may not care if they are ignored and will post anyway (guess who!) ... but, read on!

Most non-reps will not post in topics they know nothing about; but if they do have something to "add" to the conversation, there really is no need to bully and mistreat them.  (It just reflects very badly on you if you do attack).  And what's the harm of posting in off-topic threads (not allowing this is encouraging an isolated HIAL Reps! (closed minded) Society) : get over yourselfs and quit thinking of this site as a little sorority, water cooler gathering just for REPS.  If the moderators allow others (non-reps) to post here, then, it should be no concern of yours.  Act respectful and polite as well as professional; otherwise, you just discredit the profession. 

Didn't mean to frighten people with my reports to the media; no need to register under new names and run/hide; doubtful if they will have the interest or time to investigate. (...maybe...maybe not?)

Now some will be immediately tempted to bash away.  Go ahead; I've already proven that it won't prevent me from posting.  It just makes you look bad.

Allow free speech.  Thank you!

Freedom Advocate

Why can’t you answer the questions that I’ve asked you? 

Will pm you and answer them AGAIN.

There’s no need to PM…you can post the answers here for all to see. Or are

you ashamed of the answers?

duh, well, actually, the pm is EXACTLY (almost verbatim) what I have already said here. Why would i be ashamed of the answers, silly?

Here goes: cc of the pm sent to you and you already read it!

refer to my next post below.

Where, specifically, have you (or anyone else for that matter) been
prevented from posting? Who has tried to kill you as you've charged?
Can you even answer the questions that have been put to you?

I assume these are your questions.

Here's the answers:

Review the numerous bully posts that have prevented goforbroke, parachute, 4luvofmoney from posting.  Mostly from Bobby Hull, Babbling Looney and joedabrkr.  Pathetic Moron: insult after insult, after insult!  This is DISCOURAGING.  I have heard from others who are discouraged from posting here: other brokers and newbies.

Re: Murder:  If someone is telling me to put my head in a device and chop it into--this is the same as them telling me that they would like to do it themselves.

And surely you noticed the posts re: encouragement of suicide and abortion.

It's funny how these cyber bullies have disappeared and resurfaced with different names: seems they might be afraid of the media.  Personally, I have nothing against joedabrkr andfind him a grump sarcastic person wanting to promote a soriety here: this is very isolated and not wanted to hear from others is very CLOSED minded and isolated and is WRONG.  What bothers me is that these members who have posted here forawhile think they own the site:  they do not control the site.

There, I have answered all your questions now, haven't I?  If not, let me know.

You posted subsequent to that time. You were not prevented from posting.

In fact, how WOULD anyone prevent you from posting?



I repeat: How specifically were you prevented from posting?



How have you been threatened with death as you’ve claimed?

we're nitpicking over semantics.  Let me clarify.

the words should be : DISCOURAGED from posting due to bully efforts.

the words should be:  exhibit (very strong) desire to murder me as evidenced by encouragement of suicide.  

IF someone is wanting my mother to abort me.

IF someone is encouraging me to commit suicide.

THIS is the same as them WANTING to MURDER me.  Do I need to draw you a picture?

CYBERBULLYING does not PREVENT someone from posting as evidenced by cyber bully victims continuing to post; HOWEVER, it is

discouraging them from posting.  (Bashing/Trashing/Insulting = cyber bullying).  Unless you are a masochist, who wants to be treated like this!  Furthermore, I've proven that you do not have to be a rep to post here.  I've proven that these bullys do not control the site; only the moderators do.  I will continue to post, of course, but at this point, the only thing I can post is how the cyber bullying must stop.  Nothing else to post at this point.  Why would I even attempt to post in a off-topic thread or add to the conversation if I am bullying; nope, not able to do that: at this point, I just have to harm on the cyberbullying I am experiencing.

Ignoring may work, continuing to talk amongst yourselves is much more effective: just as buctkus did.  Try that instead: it's less brutal and might be effective with some non-reps but might not work for everyone (guess who!). 

clear enuf?

Why would I even attempt to post in a off-topic thread or add to the conversation if I am bullying; nope, not able to do that: at this point, I just have to harm on the cyberbullying I am experiencing.

bad verbiage: corrections.

edit:  conversation if I am being bullied.  have to harp on

I believe I've answered your questions.  I have no desire to post on a forum like this and it is my opinion that MANY others don't have a desire to post here either, as I've mentioned, I've received pm's from brokers disgusted by this behavior; newbies who are afraid to post their questions.

Thanks for asking.

And you equate ‘discouraged’ with ‘prevented’? You equate someone

posting ‘encouragement of suicide’ with attempted murder? That’s not

semantics…that’s psychotic.



To take this a step further, how exactly did you ‘stop the cyberbullying’? Are

not your attempts to control what people say and force the moderators to

bend to your will example of the very practices that you pretend to eschew?



I’m sorry, but you haven’t come close to making a case. Unless you wish to

continue being a laughingstock, you’re going to have to do a LOT better

than that.

I've made my case as far as I am concerned.  I do not need your approval.

If I've continued to post despite the "bully treatment" why would I be concerned about being a laughingstock? 

It's up to the moderators

...and maybe the media, too...

to sort it out.

But since people are now discouraged from posting here,

go gather at your HIAL REP watercooler and think of ways to attack the next poster you want off the site.  As for me, I've made my point and don't care to post on this site anymore (...and as I've said, this bad, unprofessional behavior has discouraged many others from posting here, too, per pm's I've received).

point:  When you cyber bully others, you prevent free speech; you discourage people from posting thus creating a HIAL REP CLOSED Society environment. 

I can't stop this closed society/cyber bully environment: I'm only one person:  I've presented it to the moderators and I've pointed out the cyber bullying (a crime, by the way) to the media.  It's out of my hands.

I've lost my desire to post here.  So the bullys win.  Do you think anyone else wants to be treated this way:  they won't even post here to find out.  This behavior is hurting this forum and is hurting the profession.

Why would you think cyber bullying would be a good thing?  Surely you should realize that non-reps might be interested in a topic and might ask a question or two; but otherwise, would only post or add to the conversation if they have something to add.  I openly mentioned that I was a non-rep as non-reps really should do here (especially since joedabrkr was concerned about giving out wrong/bad advice) but then, I was immediately cyberbullied.  This is wrong and discourages free speech. 

It's this behavior on this site is the laughingstock because it shows the mentality of people in this careerfield: and trust me, it's not pretty.  The cyberbullies have really done a discredit.

Clear enuf?  No need to be concerned about me raining on anyone's HIAL REP parade: I've had my fill of the bully treatment and am done with this site.  I've tried to make it a BETTER place for potential members since I'm against bullies who try to impede the free speech rights of others; as mentioned, other brokers who don't want to post anymore either because of the unprofessionalism on this site. 

My job is finished.  Bullies win unless others come forward and make a stand and attempt to put a stop to this bad behavior towards others once and for all.  I can't do the job alone and I do have better things to do. 

ByeBye   

When did I say that cyber bullying was a good thing?



What on earth is an “HIAL”, and why does it need to be shouted?



You’ve presented it to the moderators ad nauseum, yet nothing has

happened. Has it occurred to you that nothing here is wrong except to you?



What gives you the right to dictate policy on these boards? You proclaim

that these boards don’t belong to certain folks here, yet you ignore the fact

that they don’t belong to you, either.



Physician, heal thyself.

Nice that you want a dialog here. 

Commonsense decency is what I am talking about.

Actually what is missing is the moderators don't have time to keep banning people and keeping people in line.  They don't have a statement like this in their member agreement as some forums do and probably should have one:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually-oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law.

I explained "Hial" in another thread: it's related to how the jews were repressed by the germans; I was comparing how even reps are shouting non-reps off the site even if they happen to post on a non-rep topic (politics; jokes). (i.e. Hial Hitler).  It's not good to impede free speech.  I've made my point here.

Here's another example:  this guy, Coltrane is probably a Rep and he started a joke topic.  I admit I posted something about "bad comedian" when he used a pig icon; however, someone else lambasted him and told he stunk as a comedian when in fact the little guy was attempting to bring a little humour to this site: nothing wrong with this.  Maybe people aren't that thin-skinned but they just don't care to be made fun of and ridiculed: I haven't noticed him posting any more jokes (actually some of his jokes were pretty funny, too.)  Did anyone encourage him:  no, people seem to enjoy discouraging on this site.

Don't know if these bullys just don't have clients or want to elevate themselves by putting down others: but there is an illness that has run rampant here but since it has been pointed out maybe things will get better.

As far as me controlling the boards:  what I am advocating is respect for everyone or promoting good citizenship so all members can post on this site without getting bashed/trashed.  Let's take society:  remember street gangs trying to prevent someone from walking on "their" street.  I happen to be right (good of society as a whole); they happen to be wrong (bully, gang activity).

But I don't care anymore.  It's up to someone else to stop it.  I'm only one person and I have better, more productive things to do.  My interest in this forum has extended beyond my initial, passing interest due to the cyber bullying and feeling that it is WRONG. 

The moderators obviously don't have time to moderate but if they allowed me a non-rep to be a member, doesn't that tell you they are advocating FREE speech rights of others and it's not up to the bullies on this site to say that I'm not "allowed" to post here.  Look at the description of the forums:  the moderators want newbies (non-reps) to post here.  They allow for "general" discussion--they are not specifically saying this is a closed "society" and only reps are allowed.

You can have this site.  It's all yours.  Someone else can fight this batter.  I don't care anymore.

byebye now.   

Someone else can fight this battle.

This issue has caused me enough distress.

I've put too much effort in this.  Time to move on.

If you want an animal farrm (street gang) environment with alpha dogs running the site, have at it. 

In point of fact, you are wrong. But that pales by comparison with the

shallowness of your convictions. You come to a site under several names,

make false claims of threats and other prevartications (contrary to the rules

of these forums, by the way), and then cave because the issue has caused

you so much 'distress" [sic]. Clearly the cause of free speech means very

little to you and your presence here was meant to accomplish nothing more

than to sow discord



That’s pretty low, goforbroke/parachute/gofprbroke’s roommate,

FreedomAdvocate…pretty low.

Oh, and by the way…the word used by the Nazis was “Heil”. Given your

dictatorial attitudes, I would have thought that you would have known that.

Speaking to Starka....It would be an entirely different story if these trolls actually had something positive to contribute to the dialogue or were asking "real" questions instead of trying to provoke arguments and setting up straw-men to knock down. 

Over the time we do get the same questions asked over and over so it may be that we are a bit short tempered, but all in all I think we do a good job of encouraging people who truly want to have help.  We are not paid mentors.  We tend to be snappy with people who want the answers on a silver platter without doing any research first.  As I have said in the past the search feature on this forum and Google can be your friend. 

Some things you most certainly need to be a successful broker/FA are a thick skin and the ability to roll with the punches.  If you can't take a joke or can't dodge the insults you need to look for another line of work.  There is no whining or crying tolerated in this business.  We don't have time for stupidity or playing games.

Quite right, Dust Bunny. I do, however, wish that would could elevate the

quality of trolls visiting here.

FreedomAdvocate,

If you should have the free speech to post what you want, shouldn't the "bullys" have the same right to say what they want?  If you answer is no then you are not a "Freedom Advocate".

She’ll be back under another name soon.