Eliot "Tiger" Spitzer

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Joined: 2009-09-23

right, Eliot.

Still a Chump's Game
Is the stock market safe again for the small investor? Not by a long shot.

By Eliot Spitzer

Posted Monday, Aug. 17, 2009, at 5:30 PM ET

The New York Stock Exchange
One of America's great accomplishments in the last half-century was the so-called "democratization" of the financial markets. No longer just for the upper crust, investing became a way for the burgeoning middle class to accumulate wealth. Mutual funds exploded in size and number, 401(k) plans made savings and investing easy, and the excitement of participating in the growth of our economy gripped an ever larger percentage of the population. Despite a backdrop of doubters—those who knowingly asserted that outperforming the average was an impossibility for the small investor—there was a growing consensus that the rules were sufficient to protect the mom-and-pop investor from the sharks that swam in the water.

That sense of fair play in the market has been virtually destroyed by the bubble burstings and market drops of the past few years. Recent rebounds notwithstanding, most people now are asking whether the system is fundamentally rigged. It's not just that they have an understandable aversion to losing their life savings when the market crashes; it's that each of the scandals and crises has a common pattern: The small investor was taken advantage of by the piranhas that hide in the rapidly moving currents. And underlying this pattern is a simple theme: conflicts of interest that violated the duty the market players had to their supposed clients. It is no wonder that cynicism and anger have replaced what had been the joy of participation in the capital markets. Take a quick run through a few of the scandals:
Analysts at major investment banks promote stocks they know to be worthless, misleading the investors who rely on their advice yet helping their investment-banking colleagues generate fees and woo clients.
Ratings agencies slap AAA ratings on debt they know to be dicey in order to appease the issuers—who happen to pay the fees of the agencies, violating the rating agency's duty to provide the marketplace with honest evaluations.
Executives receive outsized and grotesque compensation packages—the result of the perverted recommendations of compensation consultants whose other business depends upon the goodwill of the very CEOs whose pay they are opining upon, thus violating the consultants' duty to the shareholders of the companies for whom they are supposedly working.
Mutual funds charge exorbitant fees that investors have to absorb—fees that dramatically reduce any possibility of outperforming the market and that are set by captive boards of captive management companies, not one of which has been replaced for inadequate performance, violating their duty to guard the interests of the fund investors for whom they supposedly work.
"High-speed trading" produces not only the reality of a two-tiered market but also the probability of front-running—that is, illegally trading on information not yet widely known—that eats into the possible profits of the retail clients supposedly being served by these very same market players, violating the obligation of the banks to get their clients "best execution" without stepping between their customers and the best available price.
AIG is bailed out, costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars, even though (as we later learned) the big guys knew that AIG was going down and were able to hedge and cover their positions. Smaller investors are left holding the stock, and all of us are left picking up the tab.
The unifying theme is apparent: Access to information and advice, the very lifeblood of a level playing field, is not where it needs to be. The small investor still doesn't have a fair shot. While there have been case-specific remedies, the aggregate effect of all the scandals is still to deny the market the most essential of ingredients: the presumption of integrity.
The issue confronting those who wish to solve this problem is that there really is no simple fix. As easy as it is to excoriate those who violate their solemn duty to a client or the entity to which they owe a fiduciary duty, the remedies attempted over time have all had their own unintended consequences. Still, some conclusions can be reached: The scale and complexity of organizations—such as the investment banks that were to provide all services to all people—make the blurring of fiduciary duty inevitable. The difficulty of establishing a revenue stream for "content"—whether an analyst's report or a newspaper article—forces creative minds to pair that content with other revenue streams (such as investment banking fees) that generate conflicts. And the lack of disclosure of overlapping roles—whether for compensation consultants, members of boards of mutual funds, or high-speed traders who buy and sell both on the bank's account and for the bank's clients—make fiduciary duty tough to evaluate.

It is not clear that the new regulatory framework proposed by the Obama administration will directly improve the ability of regulators to address these tensions and conflicts. But if, indeed, there is a new consumer-protection agency created, it might want to set out as its first mandate the simple objective that it get every market participant to define clearly (and publicly) to whom it owes a fiduciary duty—and what possible tensions might exist in fulfilling that duty. If this agency does nothing more than root out those conflicts and examine them, it would be providing the small American investor with a valuable service, one that the SEC and others have failed to perform over the past decade.

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Joined: 2009-11-04

Dedicated to public service. Some public gets a little more than others. 

Shania Twain's picture
Joined: 2009-09-23

amfUBS wrote:

Dedicated to public service. Some public gets a little more than others. 


this guy is such freak show.   scary

borei's picture
Joined: 2009-07-24

a very rich freak show. probably the one person most responsible for the destruction of AIG.

Shania Twain's picture
Joined: 2009-09-23

I dont give a fukc if he is worth $500 billion.

Guy a cokcsucker and witch hunting MF tool.   

95% of his grandstanding histrionic crap is without merit (d#ck graso, mutual fund jive etc)
NONE     total power hungry MF who#e

waste of taxpayer money

dangerous sociopath

Anonymous's picture

His Daddy made him rich

san fran broker's picture
Joined: 2006-02-25

I think what was most telling were the types of reforms he most aggressively pursued - research, IPOs - none of the actual practices that really impacted retail investors.

Still@jones's picture
Joined: 2009-03-22

Whether you are the Democratic sheriff of wall street or a republican evangelical christian senator...sooner or later, living the "perfect life" gets old and you just want to go out and bang some whores!

Shania Twain's picture
Joined: 2009-09-23

Still@jones wrote: Whether you are the Democratic sheriff of wall street or a republican evangelical christian senator...sooner or later, living the "perfect life" gets old and you just want to go out and bang some whores!

yep (or if you can shoot 63 at National)

Augusta National Golf Club members list

The Augusta National Golf Club membership list obtained by USA TODAY covers a time frame within the last two years. The membership list is fluid and changes as members resign, die or leave the club. USA TODAY did not include those identified as former or deceased members.

lou holtz?   wow

State     First Name     Last name     Employer     Age
Ala.     Crawford Troy     Johnson III     Coca-Cola Bottling, Retired     78
Ala.     Joseph Lamar     Lanier Jr.     Dan River     71
Ala.     Claude B.     Nielsen     Coca-Cola Bottling     51
Ala.     Robert H.     Radcliff Jr.           84
Ala.     Hall W.     Thompson     Thompson Tractor     79
Ariz.     Lyle     Anderson     Lyle Anderson Co.     n/a
Ariz.     Jack Steele     Parker     General Electric, Retired     84
Ark.     J. Frank     Broyles     University of Arkansas     77
Ark.     Joe Thomas     Ford     Alltel     65
Ark.     Scott T.     Ford     Alltel     40
Ark.     Jackson T.     Stephens     Stephens Group     n/a
Ark.     Warren A.     Stephens     Stephens Group     45
Calif.     Samuel H.     Armacost     Weiss Peck & Greer, Retired     64
Calif.     Donald R.     Beall     Rockwell International     64
Calif.     Riley P.     Bechtel     Bechtel Group     50
Calif.     Stephen D.     Bechtel Jr.     Bechtel Group, Retired     77
Calif.     Benjamin F.     Biaggini     Santa Fe Southern Pacific, Retired     86
Calif.     Donald L.     Bower     ChevronTexaco     79
Calif.     Michael R.     Bowlin     ARCO International Oil & Gas, Retired     60
Calif.     Lodwrick M.     Cook     Atlantic Richfield, Retired     74
Calif.     Rex D.     Cross     Lone Star Industries     81
Calif.     Kenneth T.     Derr     ChevronTexaco, Retired     n/a
Calif.     Sam     Glen           n/a
Calif.     Frederick W.     Gluck     Scient     66
Calif.     Harold J.     Haynes     ChevronTexaco, Retired     76
Calif.     Paul M.     Hazen     Wells Fargo, Retired     60
Calif.     Charles B.     Johnson     Franklin Resources     70
Calif.     Ruben F.     Mettler     TRW, Retired     79
Calif.     Edfred L.     Shannon Jr.     Global SantaFe, Retired     75
Calif.     George P.     Shultz     Former U.S. Secretary of State, Retired     n/a
Colo.     Edward B.     Close Jr.           n/a
Colo.     Peter H.     Coors     Coors Brewing     56
Colo.     Charles C.     Gates     Gates Rubber Co., Retired     81
Colo.     Frederic C.     Hamilton     Hamilton Oil     75
Colo.     Will F.     Nicholson Jr.     Rocky Mountain BankCard System, Retired     74
Colo.     Jack A.     Vickers     Castle Pines Golf Club     77
Conn.     Ray C.     Adam           n/a
Conn.     John F.     Akers     IBM, Retired     68
Conn.     Ralph E.     Bailey     Conoco, Retired     79
Conn.     Morrison H.     Beach     Travelers, Retired     86
Conn.     Lawrence A.     Bossidy     Honeywell, Retired     68
Conn.     Edward H.     Budd     Travelers, Retired     69
Conn.     George A.L.     David     Otis Elevator     61
Conn.     Clifton C.     Garvin Jr.     ExxonMobil, Retired     81
Conn.     Kenneth H.     Hannan           91
Conn.     Robert S.     Hatfield     Continental Group, Retired     87
Conn.     Reginald H.     Jones     General Electric, Retired     85
Conn.     Dohn L.     Kalmbach     Berman, Kalmbach & Company     65
Conn.     Robert D.     Kennedy     The Perkin- Elmer Corporation, Retired     70
Conn.     James W.     Kinnear III     ChevronTexaco, Retired     75
Conn.     John E.     Kircher           84
Conn.     John L.     Weinberg     Goldman Sachs, Retired     78
Conn.     John F.     Welch     General Electric, Retired     67
D.C.     Amory     Houghton Jr.     U.S. Congressman     76
D.C.     Melvin R.     Laird     Former U.S. Secretary of Defense, Retired     80
Fla.     Warren M.     Anderson           80
Fla.     Richard T.     Baker           n/a
Fla.     Robert H.B.     Baldwin     Retired     82
Fla.     William Houston     Blount     Vulcan Materials     81
Fla.     Willard S.     Boothby Jr.     Paine Webber, Retired     81
Fla.     Rinehart S.     Bright           90
Fla.     Anthony J.A.     Bryan     Copperweld     80
Fla.     Howard L.     Clark Sr           86
Fla.     E. Mandell     de Windt     Birmingham Steel     72
Fla.     John H.     Dobbs           70
Fla.     Beverly F.     Dolan     Compressor Components Textron, Retired     75
Fla.     Nelson     Doubleday     Former owner New York Mets, Retired     69
Fla.     James D.     Finley     J P Stevens, Retired     n/a
Fla.     Maurice F.     Granville     ChevronTexaco, Retired     87
Fla.     George V.     Grune     Wallace-Reader's Digest Funds     73
Fla.     James M.     Hoak Jr     Heritage Communications     59
Fla.     John C.     Jansing     Vestaur Securities, Retired     77
Fla.     David S.     Kirkland     Bessemer Trust     63
Fla.     Richard K.     LeBlond II     Chase Manhattan Bank     82
Fla.     Donald S.     MacNaughton     Hospital Corp., Retired     95
Fla.     Frank L.     Mansell     Paine Webber, Retired     81
Fla.     Robert S.     Oelman     Koppers, Retired     93
Fla.     Edward M.     O'Herron Jr.     Eckerd Drugs, Retired     77
Fla.     John R.     Opel     IBM, Retired     78
Fla.     John G.     Ordway     Stillman Maynard & Co.     79
Fla.     H. Lawrence     Parker     Morgan Stanley Canada, Retired     76
Fla.     Ogden M.     Phipps     Bessemer Trust     62
Fla.     Lawrence R.     Pugh     VF Corp., Retired     70
Fla.     J. Howard     Rambin Jr.     ChevronTexaco, Retired     91
Fla.     Fred S.     Ridley     Foley & Lardner     50
Fla.     F. Morgan     Taylor Jr.           71
Fla.     Ronald     Townsend     Communications consultant     61
Fla.     Rawleigh     Warner Jr.     ExxonMobil, Retired     82
Ga.     W. Hale     Barrett     Hull, Towill, Norman, Barrett & Salley     74
Ga.     Louis L.     Battey     River City Augusta, Retired     n/a
Ga.     James H.     Blanchard     Synovus Financial     61
Ga.     Thomas M.     Blanchard Jr.     Blanchard & Calhoun     n/a
Ga.     Clayton P.     Boardman III     Boardman Petroleum     n/a
Ga.     Stephen W.     Brown           n/a
Ga.     Hugh M.     Chapman     Nationsbank, Retired     70
Ga.     William P.     Copenhaver     The Pinnacle Club     78
Ga.     Thomas G.     Cousins     Cousins Properties     70
Ga.     Edwin L.     Douglass Jr.     Augusta Cab     66
Ga.     Walter W.     Driver Jr.     King & Spalding law firm, Atlanta, GA.     58
Ga.     Nick W.     Evans Jr.     Spartan Communications     53
Ga.     H. Ray     Finney     Retired     n/a
Ga.     James R.     Gabrielsen           n/a
Ga.     William T.     Gary III     Gary Concrete Products, Retired     n/a
Ga.     Ben S.     Gilmer     AT&T, Retired     97
Ga.     Phil S.     Harison     Harison-Kerzic     n/a
Ga.     Harry T.     Harper III     Harper Pennington & Shaw     n/a
Ga.     E. Val     Hastings           n/a
Ga.     Eugene M.     Howerdd Jr.     The Howerdd Group     66
Ga.     W. Howard     Hudson     Orthopaedic Associates     n/a
Ga.     Clifford M.     Kirtland Jr.     Cox Communications     n/a
Ga.     Boone A.     Knox     Allied Bank of Georgia     n/a
Ga.     Jefferson B.A.     Knox     The Knox Foundation     39
Ga.     Dessey L.     Kuhlke     Kuhlke Construction, Retired     n/a
Ga.     Peter M.     Menk           75
Ga.     Charles H.     Morris     Morris Communications     n/a
Ga.     William S.     Morris III     Morris Communications     68
Ga.     John L.     Murray Jr.           n/a
Ga.     J. Fleming     Norvell           42
Ga.     Samuel A.     Nunn     Former U.S. Senator, Retired     64
Ga.     William P.     Payne     Premiere Technologies     54
Ga.     Carl J.     Reith     Oxford Industries, Retired     89
Ga.     John D.     Reynolds III     Club Car     n/a
Ga.     Julian H.     Roberts     Spatial Sites     n/a
Ga.     J. Haley     Roberts Jr.           n/a
Ga.     Ray M.     Robinson     AT&T     54
Ga.     Carl E.     Sanders     Troutman Sanders LLP/Georgia Senate, Retired     77
Ga.     George A.     Sanoken Jr.           n/a
Ga.     Leroy H.     Simkins Jr.     The Tubman Home     n/a
Ga.     Frank     Troutman Jr.     Coil Coaters of America     n/a
Ga.     George     Wislar     Fountainhead Water     n/a
Ga.     Danny     Yates           52
Ga.     Charles R.     Yates Jr.     Moses Contracting     n/a
Ga.     P. Dan     Yates Jr.     Yates Insurance Agency     n/a
Ga.     Charles R.     Yates Sr.     Atlanta Arts Alliance, Retired     89
Hawaii     C. Pardee     Erdman Jr.     Retired     n/a
Ill.     Edward A.     Brennan     Sears, Retired     69
Ill.     John H.     Bryan Jr.     Sara Lee     65
Ill.     Richard J.     Ferris     United Airlines, Retired     66
Ill.     Donald V.     Fites     Caterpillar, Retired     69
Ill.     H. Laurance     Fuller     BP Amoco, Retired     64
Ill.     Christopher B.     Galvin     Motorola     52
Ill.     Lester B.     Knight           44
Ill.     Vernon R.     Loucks Jr.     Baxter Travenol Labs, Retired     68
Ill.     Lee L.     Morgan     Caterpillar, Retired     83
Ill.     Richard M.     Morrow     BP Amoco, Retired     76
Ill.     Donald S.     Perkins     Jewel Cos., Retired     75
Ill.     Philip J.     Purcell III     Morgan Stanley     59
Ill.     Irving     Seaman Jr.     Burston-Marsteller     n/a
Ill.     Daniel C.     Searle     GD Searle, Retired     76
Ill.     Arthur M.     Wood Sr.     Sears, Retired     89
Iowa     Lloyd D.     Ward           53
Kan.     Howard J.     Carey Jr.           80
Ky.     William S.     Farish     US Ambassador     60
Ky.     William A.     Marquard     Arkansas Best     83
La.     Frank A.     Godchaux III     Riviana Foods, Retired     76
La.     John G.     Phillips     Louisiana Land and Exploration, Retired     80
Mass.     Frederick S.     Moseley III     Seaward Management     74
Mass.     Robert P.     O'Block     McKinsey and Co.     60
Md.     Nicholas F.     Brady     Former US Secretary of Treasury, Retired     72
Mich.     Wendell W.     Anderson Jr.     Bundy, Retired     77
Mich.     William C.     Ford     Ford Motor/Detroit Lions     78
Mich.     Robert J.     Hampson     Ford Motor, Retired     85
Mich.     Roger S.     Penske     Penske Group     66
Mich.     Harold A.     Poling     Ford Motor, Retired     77
Minn.     Paul J.     Bridston     Bridston     74
Minn.     John R.     Harris     Professional golfer     n/a
Minn.     Bruce A.     Lilly     Minnesota Museum of American Art     n/a
Minn.     David M.     Lilly     University of Minnesota, Retired     85
Minn.     Robert R.     Waller     Hormel Foods     65
Minn.     Wheelock     Whitney     Former owner Minnesota North Stars and Vikings, Retired     n/a
Mo.     Andrew N.     Baur     Mississippi Valley Bancshares     58
Mo.     Charles F.     Knight     Emerson Electric, Retired     67
Mo.     Eugene F.     Williams Jr.     Centerre Trust, Retired     79
N.C.     John M.     Belk     City of Charlotte (N.C.)     82
N.C.     Blake C.     Clark           80
N.C.     R. Stuart     d***son     Rudd***     73
N.C.     Thomas W.     d***son     Rudd***     47
N.C.     James H.     Hance Jr.     Bank of America     58
N.C.     John W.     Harris     Lincoln Harris     n/a
N.C.     James E.     Johnson Jr.     Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice     72
N.C.     Hugh L.     McColl Jr.     Bank of America, Retired     67
N.C.     Paul J.     Rizzo     IBM     75
N.J.     Robert E.     Allen     AT&T, Retired     68
N.J.     Charles L.     Brown     AT&T     80
N.J.     Richard A.     McGinn     Lucent (former)     56
N.J.     John S.     Reed     Citicorp, Retired     75
N.J.     Donald P.     Remey           60
N.J.     Reuben Francis     Richards     Emcore, Retired     73
N.J.     Arthur F.     Ryan     Prudential Financial     60
N.J.     Walter V.     Shipley     Chase Manhattan Bank, Retired     n/a
N.Y.     William R.     Acquavella     Acquavella Art dealer     64
N.Y.     Kenneth I.     Chenault     American Express     51
N.Y.     Theodore N.     Danforth     Retired     77
N.Y.     D. Ronald     Daniel     McKinsey & Co.     73
N.Y.     Louis V.     Gerstner Jr.     IBM     61
N.Y.     S. Parker     Gilbert     Morgan Stanley Group     68
N.Y.     Edward D.     Herlihy     Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz     55
N.Y.     James R.     Houghton     Corning, Retired     66
N.Y.     John F.     McGillicuddy     Manufacturers Hanover, Retired     71
N.Y.     Douglas D.     Mercer           66
N.Y.     Thomas S.     Murphy     Capital Cities/ABC     77
N.Y.     Peter G.     Peterson     The Blackstone Group     76
N.Y.     Richard I.     Purnell           84
N.Y.     James D.     Robinson III     American Express, Retired     66
N.Y.     Whitney     Stevens           75
N.Y.     Robert G.     Stone Jr.     Kirby Corp.     78
N.Y.     Douglas A.     Warner III     JP Morgan Chase, Retired     54
N.Y.     Sanford I.     Weill     Citigroup     70
Neb.     Harold W.     Andersen     InfoUSA     79
Neb.     Warren E.     Buffett     Berkshire Hathaway     72
Nev.     William L.     Searle     GD Searle, Retired     75
Ohio     William     Boeschenstein     Owens-Corning, Retired     77
Ohio     William W.     Boeschenstein           n/a
Ohio     Edwin D.     Dodd     Owens-Illinois, Retired     83
Ohio     E. Bradley     Jones     TRW, Retired     75
Ohio     Patrick F.     McCartan     Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue     66
Okla.     Robert W.     Berry           78
Okla.     William K.     Warren Jr.           68
Okla.     John H.     Williams     Williams Companies     84
Penn.     Lewis W.     Foy     Bethlehem Steel Corp     n/a
Penn.     Henry L.     Hillman     The Hillman Company     84
Penn.     Michael H.     Jordan     CBS, Retired     66
Penn.     Howard M.     Love     National Intergroup, Retired     72
Penn.     Thomas H.     O'Brien     PNC Bank, Retired     65
Penn.     Arnold D.     Palmer     Professional golfer, Retired     73
Penn.     David M.     Roderick     USX     78
Penn.     Thomas J.     Usher     U.S. Steel     50
R.I.     Bradford R.     Boss     A. T. Cross, Retired     69
R.I.     J. Terrence     Murray     Fleet Financial Group, Retired     63
S.C.     Robert H.     Chapman III     Inman Mills     51
S.C.     James W.     Foley           91
S.C.     Alester G.     Furman III     Alester G. Furman, Retired     84
S.C.     Robert     Goodyear           77
S.C.     John B.     Harris Jr.           81
S.C.     Lou     Holtz     University of South Carolina     66
S.C.     William W.     Johnson     Augusta National Golf Club Chairman     73
S.C.     David S.     Lewis Jr.     McDonnell Douglas/General Dynamics     58
S.C.     Roger     Milliken     Milliken & Co.     86
S.C.     Robert P.     Timmerman     Graniteville Co.     82
S.C.     Francis A.     Townsend Jr.           63
S.C.     Wilson C.     Wearn     Multimedia Inc., Retired     83
S.C.     Joseph H.     Williams           76
Tenn.     W. Lipscomb     Davis Jr.     Davis Cabinet     69
Tenn.     John C.     Dobbs     Fourjay     83
Tenn.     David B.     Ingram     Ingram Entertainment     39
Tenn.     John T.     Lupton     Arnold Palmer Golf     n/a
Tenn.     J. Bransford     Wallace     Advocat     70
Tenn.     Toby S.     Wilt     TSW Investment     58
Texas     John R.     Butler Jr.     J.R. Butler and Co.     63
Texas     James F.     Chambers Jr.           89
Texas     Peter J.     Fluor     Fluor     54
Texas     John M.     Griffith Jr.           66
Texas     William R.     Howell     J. C. Penney, Retired     n/a
Texas     James W.     Keay           80
Texas     Edward C.     Kennard           83
Texas     Ben F.     Love     Texas Commerce Bancshares, Retired     78
Texas     Felix R.     McKnight           92
Texas     James M.     Moroney Jr.     Belo, Retired     81
Texas     Boone     Pickens     Mesa Water     74
Texas     Lee R.     Raymond     ExxonMobil     64
Texas     Robert H.     Stewart III     Bank One     76
Texas     Edward E.     Whitacre Jr.     SBC Communications     61
Texas     J. Otis     Winters     Dynegy     69
Va.     William C.     Battle     Ivy Foundation For Biomedical Research U. VA, Retired     70
Va.     Howard W.     Blauvelt     Conoco, Retired     n/a
Va.     Harry W.     Easterly Jr.           n/a
Va.     David R.     Goode     Norfolk Southern     61
Va.     David P.     Reynolds     Reynolds Metal Company, Retired     n/a
Va.     W. Thomas     Rice     Seaboard Coast Line Industries, Retired     n/a
Va.     Robert H.     Spilman Jr.     Bassett Furniture     n/a
Vt.     James G.     Affleck     American Cyanamid, Retired     79
Vt.     Andrew C.     Sigler     Champion, Retired     70
Wash.     Richard P.     Cooley     Bank of America's Seafirst Bank, Retired     78
Wash.     Bill     Gates     Microsoft Corp.     47
Wash.     Charles M.     Pigott     Paccar, Retired     73
Wash.     Mark C.     Pigott     PACCAR     49
Wis.     Virgis W.     Colbert     Miller Brewing Co.     63
Wis.     James E.     Reinhart           48
Wyo.     Richard E.     Heckert     DuPont Co, Retired     n/a
Wyo.     John K.     McKinley     ChevronTexaco, Retired     n/a
Canada     David M.     Culver     Alcan Aluminum Ltd     78
Canada     Richard M.     Thomson     Nexen, Retired     n/a
England     Ronald     Hampel           n/a
England     Gordon B.B.     Jeffrey           n/a
England     H. Colin     Maclaine           n/a
England     Wolfgang     Reitzle     Linde Ag     n/a
France     Jean-Marie     Tine           n/a
Ireland     Ian W.L.     Webb           n/a
S. Africa     Ivor R.     Jones           n/a
Scotland     W. Ronald     Alexander           n/a
Scotland     Michael F.     Bonallack     Royal and Ancient Golf Club     n/a
Scotland     J. Stewart     Lawson           n/a

Incredible Hulk's picture
Joined: 2006-03-24

That would make a pretty good calling list.

Shania Twain's picture
Joined: 2009-09-23

Incredible Hulk wrote: That would make a pretty good calling list.

gezz    no joke

wonder what net worth of this group is?

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