http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

I am almost positive this is the bill that was passed by the dems.. They wanted to show that they were strong on defense.

I love the whole BUSH lied.. Or Cheenys oil.. 10000's of troops will die as we march into bagdad... Iraq's leader is a liar (Kerry), they will not have elections in January.. He is after all the owner of Haliburton.. Remember we should have sent over 20000 Joe's pizza workers to feed and take care of the troops.. Since that contract was bought.. I mean these people who believe this crap go from one statement to the next... 

We tried the sit back and try to be delicate (Kerry) in the 90's.. As the FBI, CIA and other intel was being crushed... During these years we allowed terrorists to breed... They attacked World Trade Center twice, scoped out half of America, bombed Kobar Towers (my eglin dorm mates died)... The bombed numerous american embassies in multiple countries... The US cole.. The list is long and there is a pattern.. At the same time Saddam paid 25k to terrorists who would plant nails in back packs and blow up women and children in Isreal busses. Then he lets in his pal Zakarie after he was injured in Afganistan..

http://www.christophercoutu.com/Vision/VISION.html

I made this up over the past few years...  Sorry for spelling it is late and I get passionate on this issue..

One good thing is that these terrorists are so extreme they are attacking their allies in Turkey, Syria, Palastine, Iraq and Saudi.. I think this is the best thing that could have happened.. Dont worry about IRAQ's according to their leaders who I saw on interviews they state they have never fought one another in a thousand years..

ATTENTION

THE TRUE POINT OF AN ARGUMENT IS TO GET THE OTHER PERSON TO SEE YOUR SIDE THROUGH THOUGHT PROVOKING COMMENTS.  MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS TOPIC ARE TAKING SHOTS AT EACH OTHER. THIS ONLY PUTS PEOPLE ON DEFENSE AND MAKES THIER MIND CLOSE UP EVEN MORE.

ME BEING A DEMOCRAT WOULD TRY TO POINT OUT THAT IN TRUE ECONOMIC THEORY THE TAXES SHOULD HAVE DECREASED.  BUT MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON SOMETHING SUCH AS EDUCATION THAT WOULD MAKE OUR CONTRY STRONGER IN THE FUTURE RATHER THAN GOING INTO IRAQ.  TO ME, SURE ITS WITH HINDSITE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH SMARTER. 

THEN A REBUPLICAN WILL TELL ME THAT CLINTON SAID THE SAME THING AND BLAIR AND RUSSIA ETC.  MY RESPONSE WOULD BE THAT AFTER 9-11 THINGS CHANGED.  WE NO LONGER HAD SUDAM AS OUR #1 MAN BUT NOW BIN LADEN.  WE STILL DO NOT KNOW WHERE HE IS, BUT WE ENDED UP WITH A GUY WHO DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE ACCUSED HIM OF.

THEN THE OLD "WE ARE SAFER W/O SUDAM" LINE.  NOW THIS IS TRUE, BUT NOT REALLY THE POINT.  IF WE WERE TO GO AFTER EVERYPERSON THAT WOULD MAKE US SAFER I THINK THAT KIM JONG YIEL*(I KNOW THAT I AM MISPELLING THESE NAMES) WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER TARGET.  JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE TELLS US WITH NO FEAR THAT HE HAS WMD'S.  SO REALLY THIS LINE DOES NOT WORK.

BOTTOM LINE BUSH, IMO, WILL NOT BE REMEMBERED FOR GREATNESS.  WITH IRAQ AND SOCIAL SECURITY GOING POORLY, WHICH ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT HE WILL BE KNOW FOR THE BEST, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER REAGAN FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

NOW I FIND IT HARD TO REASONABLY ARGUE WITH MOST PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM....JUST READ MOST THE COMMENTS ABOVE, TOTALY BASHING AND NOT REALLY CONCERED WITH ISSUES JUST TALKING POINTS FROM DEMS AND REPLYING WITH TALKING POINTS OF REPS. IN THE END THAT IS WHAT IS MISSING IN POLOTICS.  BOTH PARTIES HAVE DISCOVERED THAT TALKING POINTS AND BASHING WORK SO WELL THAT THEY STOPED ACTUALLY TALKING.  I AM NOT TRYING TO BASH BUSH BUT CAN HE COMPARE INTULLECTUALY WITH PAST PRESIDENTS LIKE CLINTON, REAGAN, CARTER, OR EVEN HIS FATHER.  WETHER YOU WERE A DEM OR REP YOU STILL HAD RESPECT FOR THEM.  WHERE DID THAT GO?  WHERE DID THE UNITY AFTER 9-11 GO?

IF I WERE TO SEE A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WHERE THEY WERE FREE TO ACTUALLY DEBATE, LIKE A COLLEGE OR H.S., I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT OUR PRESIDENTS BEGAN TO BE GREATER LIKE THEY WERE IN THE PAST.  POLITICS ARE BAD FOR AMERICA BUT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW THAT WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.

[quote=Juiced6]

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

There you go - a nice video of Powell in Feb 2001 and Rice in July 2001 saying Iraq has no WMD or is capable of making them.

Bush did not lie?  His own team said Iraq did not have them in 2001 - that was after Clinton.

Now Tony Blair has said the Downing Street Memo is an authentic memo - I think if democrats get control of congress in 2006 - Bush is looking at impeachment.

I also would like to know how McCain is a traitor? 

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You're delusional....

[quote=Mario]

ATTENTION

THE TRUE POINT OF AN ARGUMENT IS TO GET THE OTHER PERSON TO SEE YOUR SIDE THROUGH THOUGHT PROVOKING COMMENTS.  MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS TOPIC ARE TAKING SHOTS AT EACH OTHER. THIS ONLY PUTS PEOPLE ON DEFENSE AND MAKES THIER MIND CLOSE UP EVEN MORE.

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Attention, writing your post in all caps does nothing to give it substance, improve your grammar or correct your spelling. The vacant nature of your line of reasoning shines through AND the all caps thing (which amounts to shouting) simply serves to annoy others.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Is it possible to lie about something that you don’t know about?



From where I sit it is possilbe to be mistaken about something rather than lying about something.



For example.  Suppose you have a college degree, and you asked me, "Putnam, do I have a college degree?"



Suppose I were to respond, "Based on the intellect being displayed in
your writings I conclude that you do not have a college degree."



Did I lie, or did I make a mistake?

Ahh is a crazy topic, but fun.. I am down in DC and I see first hand politics is a joke. There is a lot of talk on the hill...

As for BUSH I am amazed that people dont look at him as a man who said what he was going to do and has committed every second of his day to accomplish the mission.

As a military member who served in IRAQ this is the way it should be.. FLIP FLOP is BS. Integrity, character, vision and doing what is right (although it may not be popular) impresses me.

Deep down I like Bill Clinton.. I think he did his best and meant well. Unfortunatly the shi. hit the fan as Reno was trying to protect his butt. The market crumbled with corruption. Maybe Bush has nothing to do with reform, but obviously SEC/Attorney General Spitzer (under the president) kicked some butt.

As for the military aspect there was no reform during the 90s. The fact that no bombs have went off in America is AMAZING!! Thank you patriot act, thank you Homeland security, thank you Rumsfield/Cheeny/Powel/BUSH and thank you allies & reforming countries (Pakistan, Saudi, Lybia, Iraq, Palistine, Lebannon and Yugoslavia).

I look back and wonder what did happen during the CLINTON years that was such a big deal?

Has anyone seen Fahernhype 9/11..?

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but obviously SEC/Attorney General Spitzer (under the president) kicked some butt.

ClerkBoy, there are Attorneys General for each of the 50 States, and there is an Attorney General for the Federal Government.  Mr. Spitzer is the AG for New York (the State and not the City), and Mr. Gonzales is the US Attorney General.

You were just a little confused there ClerkBoy (as usual).  Fortunately, one of us was here to clear things up for you (as usual)!

I meant the NY State Attorney General.. I suppose the top dog is BUSH.. So if you work for the govn you are under him.. I suspect Gonzales is over Spitzer? 

Clerkboy what is that suppose to mean..?  I am still young enough to not know everything like your self. :)

[quote=executivejock]

I meant the NY State Attorney General… I
suppose the top dog is BUSH… So if you work for the govn you are under
him… I suspect Gonzales is over Spitzer? 

Clerkboy what is that suppose to mean…?  I am still young enough to not know everything like your self.

Okay.. Thanks for clearing that up... Spitzer is elected? I know CT attorney General is picked.. No wonder all of our elected officials are on their way to jail.

[quote=Put Trader]Is it possible to lie about something that you don't know about?


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Yes.  That is called an omission of a material fact.  Thus, why you and I have E & O insurance.

Next...

I make it a point to just agree with my clients when they start talking politics.  However I think I am one of the few liberals among my immediate peers.

Annoy a conservative, think for yourself!

[quote=Cruiser]

I make it a point to just agree with my clients when they start talking politics.  However I think I am one of the few liberals among my immediate peers.

Annoy a conservative, think for yourself!

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Annoy a liberal, use facts....

[quote=menotellname]

[quote=Put Trader]Is it possible to lie about something that you don't know about?


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Yes.  That is called an omission of a material fact.  Thus, why you and I have E & O insurance.

Next...

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You may want to ask the people you send that E&O policy check to if they consider the intentional omission of a material fact an insured item. I think you'll find they don't since it's fraud.

To Put's point, you can't be lying if you leave out a "material fact" you're unaware of.

[quote=stanwbrown][quote=Cruiser]

I make it a point to just agree with my clients when they start talking politics.  However I think I am one of the few liberals among my immediate peers.

Annoy a conservative, think for yourself!

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Annoy a liberal, use twisted facts....

[quote=Juiced6][quote=stanwbrown][quote=Cruiser]

I make it a point to just agree with my clients when they start talking politics.  However I think I am one of the few liberals among my immediate peers.

Annoy a conservative, think for yourself!

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Annoy a liberal, use twisted facts....

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Yeah, that would piss them off by stealing their routine

Annoy a conservative. Kill yourself.

[quote=stanwbrown][quote=menotellname]

[quote=Put Trader]Is it possible to lie about something that you don't know about?


[/quote]

Yes.  That is called an omission of a material fact.  Thus, why you and I have E & O insurance.

Next...

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You may want to ask the people you send that E&O policy check to if they consider the intentional omission of a material fact an insured item. I think you'll find they don't since it's fraud.

To Put's point, you can't be lying if you leave out a "material fact" you're unaware of.

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Stan,

You are wrong.

Try to claim that you are unaware or "ignorant" of a material fact in the court room after your client sues you and see what the judge says:  "Ignorance of the law (or of the product you are touting) (or of the faulty "intelligence" that you are claiming as personal knowledge)" is lying by omission.

Main Entry: omis·sion
Pronunciation: O-'mi-sh&n, &-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English omissioun, from Late Latin omission-, omissio, from Latin omittere
1 a : something neglected or left undone b : apathy toward or neglect of duty
2 : the act of omitting : the state of being omitted

[quote=annuity guy]

Brokers are Republicans, planners are Dummycraps.

Republicans seek their own success, Dummycraps try to legislate success.

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I agree.