Question regarding employment soon...

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Hey guys, so I might be hired at MS soon. Met with the branch manager twice, met with the guy above him today...the job prospective looks promising. I should hear back at the end of the week. But anyway, the guy today asked me how soon I could start, and without thinking I told him immediately. I would love to start immediately, and he told me that I wont be able to start till mid-late July. He asked me if thats a problem--I told him not at all. Heres the problem...the family booked a trip to Italy about a year and a half ago for this August 7-15. The trip was originally planned for last year, but because of the whole airport scare around August of last year my parents cancelled. We lost 1600...but we had the remaining credit tied up with the travelling company so we had to take the trip regardless. We booked the trip several months ago, and I'm worried on how I should approach my manager with this detail. Its 7 business days that I would be missing from my training period at work. I'm worried because I don't know how to bring up that specific subject. I really desperately want this job, but I don't want to bring it up in fear that they might throw my name out completely. I'm wondering if I should state that I can't start till after the 15th of August? For the first four months I will be in training period, so just studying for my exams, training exercises, sales meetings, etc. Agh, its really stressful...I read the thread not too long ago about "vacations" about a guy who had just passed his series 7 and was wondering about vacations and I'm fully aware that I shouldn't be expecting any, which is why I'm so worried. Any ideas guys? How should I go about doing this?
 

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It is a matter of priority. In this case given MS status, the job or the trip. My personal opinion would be eat the cost of the trip now so you can take a nice extended one 4 years later when you have tied 50-60 million under your belt in AUM.If the trip is truly important to you, take the chance on MS understanding, but be prepared to sign on with someone else due to lack of accommodating their scheduling for hires.

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Yeah, I can't "eat the cost". First of all, I didn't plan the trip, secondly, its 2600 dollars per person, (11,000 spent on the trip) and me being there is necessary since my parents are much older and need my assistance for that period of time. Thanks for your input.
 

Oldproducer's picture
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DJ spells it out pretty well. Either take the job with MS and stay there doing the job, or go on your trip and start looking for alternative employment.

It all is a matter of choice.

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jmass, I've got to tell you that from the tone of your post, you are not cut out for this business.   You haven't even started the job and you're all worried and stressed.  This is not a good sign.
Get the job offer and then be honest.  "I would love to accept the position, but I have one hurdle.  18 months ago, I promised to take my elderly parents on a trip to Italy from August 7 until August 15th.   Would you rather that I start now and take the trip or just not start until after the 15th?  My preference is to start today, but I'll still accept the job if you want me to wait."
They won't rescind the job offer and you'll get your trip.  Notice that you are not asking if you can take the trip.  You are informing them that you are taking the trip. 

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jmass03 wrote:
Yeah, I can't "eat the cost". First of all, I didn't plan the trip,
secondly, its 2600 dollars per person, (11,000 spent on the
trip) and me being there is necessary since my parents are much
older and need my assistance for that period of time. Thanks for your
input.

Don't stress about this. Ask if they have a later starting date
available, usually these training programs are done in tranche, since
your parents who need your help have asked you acompany them on a trip
to italy.

There is nothing so special about MS that would make me give up a trip with my folks.

12345's picture
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I would tell them up front, Leaving during training is a lot better than leaving when in production, however you better pass all of your exams on the first try or you will probably be shown the door.

ManagedMoney's picture
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Tell the Branch Manager immediately.  Then tell him that you'll take the STC series 7 book with you on the trip.  The only thing you're going to be doing for the first 3 months is studying and taking exams.  You don't have to be in the office to do that.I almost never went into the office during my first 3 months.

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Well having to take care of elderly parents while traveling is a bit different than planning a vacation with mom and dad. Like others have said. Spell it out clearly to MS and asked them what their preference is to when you start.

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anonymous wrote:
jmass, I've got to tell you that from the tone of your post, you are not cut out for this business.   You haven't even started the job and you're all worried and stressed.  This is not a good sign.
 

 
It's not your place to say if I'm cut out for the business really--its simply that I have to decide between my future and my family. Like DJ said above, "eat the cost, take the job"--that gets me a little worried. I think I'll mention it to my branch manager when he calls me up to offer me the job and I go into the office to discuss employment.

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Don't stress about this. Ask if they have a later starting date available, usually these training programs are done in tranche, since your parents who need your help have asked you acompany them on a trip to italy. There is nothing so special about MS that would make me give up a trip with my folks.
Thanks for the kind words. This puts me at alot more ease.
 

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