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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

Since September 11th, we had no attacks while Bush was in office. I will reserve a little judgement, but since Barack has taken office, and we've apologized to the world, look what happens. Not only on our soil, but on our military base?

Just because he has a Muslim name doesn't mean he was Al Qaeda. But it is just a little bit coincidental.

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Bowing to kings is just the start...

My thoughts are out to those families though. Terrible.

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This stuff just didn't happen when we had Bush in the White House.  The rest of the world knows they can do anything they want without reprisal now.

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I agree. I remember the look on Bush's face on 9/11 when his aide told him what happened at that school. I knew then that al Qaeda f*cked with the wrong man.

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Yes sir ... You could see the anger boiling.

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Don't worry, the nanny state will take care of us.
 
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Moraen wrote:I agree. I remember the look on Bush's face on 9/11 when his aide told him what happened at that school. I knew then that al Qaeda f*cked with the wrong man.
 
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job.  I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. 
 
NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is!  We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely.  Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon!  I could go on, but it gets me too fired up.  Just my .02

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Moraen wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html Since September 11th, we had no attacks while Bush was in office. I will reserve a little judgement, but since Barack has taken office, and we've apologized to the world, look what happens. Not only on our soil, but on our military base? Just because he has a Muslim name doesn't mean he was Al Qaeda. But it is just a little bit coincidental.
 
 
 Couldn't agree more. The entire world knows our leader wears a skirt and wants to glad hand everyone instead of kicking someone's ass.

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What ??? Morean is in the minority of military folks for approving of Bush?  That is absolutely false. Those who are fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan have seen first hand why we need to take Hussain and Bin Laden out. What about mass graves don't you understand?
 
You aren't smarter than W by the way. You just think you are because the media pounded him relentlessly. Obama f***s up words and phrases every week, but you won't see them on SNL because NBC is in his pants.
 
It is stiffs like you who are "independent" who bought what Obama is selling and put him in office. Have an original thought!!!!!!!!!!

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W was loved by the military (from what I have witnessed), I also thought he was very smart. The ability to read a speech off a teleprompter does not equal intelligence to me.

Bush's biggest failing to me was he was loyal to a fault. He kept people around him that gave him bad advice too long. Also, his lack of vetos drove me nuts.

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Hey Kool-Aid wrote: Moraen wrote:I agree. I remember the look on Bush's face on 9/11 when his aide told him what happened at that school. I knew then that al Qaeda f*cked with the wrong man.
 
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job.  I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. 
 
NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is!  We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely.  Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon!  I could go on, but it gets me too fired up.  Just my .02

In a company of over 100 men, exactly five said they thought Bush was an idiot and a bad President. I was in Iraq during the election. Most people completed their absentee ballots. Nearly to a man they voted for Bush. Keep in mind this is an Infantry unit, so I don't know what those other pogues did. I didn't vote (statistically speaking, it doesn't count).

I think people see what they want to see. Not saying that he had the deer in a headlights look, but if that's what you saw, then that's what you saw.

For the record my brother died in the war on terror. Shortly before he died, we went on vacation to Austrailia. He told me, I'm glad I fought this war under Bush and not Clinton.

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Ron 14 wrote:You aren't smarter than W by the way. You just think you are because the media pounded him relentlessly. Obama f***s up words and phrases every week, but you won't see them on SNL because NBC is in his pants.

You get BO off the teleprompter its an "uh, umm, ahh" every other word.

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Holy crap! The gunman has been posting suicide bombing crap for the past six months. Law enforcement was "watching". Guess what would have happened in the Bush admin.? Snatched up by CIA agents and beaten until he gave up his homies.

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Unf**kingreal! Well technically he hadn't broken laws so what we needed to do was talk to the young man, support him, and put an arm around him. You know to help him get through a tough time.

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Moraen wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html Since September 11th, we had no attacks while Bush was in office. I will reserve a little judgement, but since Barack has taken office, and we've apologized to the world, look what happens. Not only on our soil, but on our military base? Just because he has a Muslim name doesn't mean he was Al Qaeda. But it is just a little bit coincidental.
 
Agree 100%  Funny how quickly people forget about 9-11 and how scared americans felt that day.  When Bush went against Kerry in 2004 security is what got probably got Bush re elected, 4 years later it hardly came up with Obama, people seemed to feel safe again and did not really care.  They just wanted to blame the GOP for high gas prices and a poor economy.  To bad they did not realize Clinton signed in the sub prime laws in 1998 that brought this mess on. 

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Moraen wrote:Holy crap! The gunman has been posting suicide bombing crap for the past six months. Law enforcement was "watching". Guess what would have happened in the Bush admin.? Snatched up by CIA agents and beaten until he gave up his homies.
 
Do you have a link to an article w/this?  I'm looking at Foxnews and can't find much info on the guy.

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Hey Kool-Aid wrote: 
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job.  I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time.
 

I don't vote to put the best candidate in office, I vote to keep the worst candidate out of office. I would say neither party can take credit for doing the best job. I decide which candidate will do the worst job and vote for the person most likely to keep the other candidate out of office, because lord knows before four years are up either one of the candidates will f*** up. So the challenge is to decide who will f*** up the least. For me it is usually the Republicans because they lean more towards less government. But even that seems to be fading.
 
All I can say is fix any one of the current government programs before you f*** up and create another.
 
I guess S.S., Welfare, IRS etc. is going so damn smooth we are crazy not to add health care to the list.
 
Government will never outperform the private sector.
 
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Moraen wrote:Holy crap! The gunman has been posting suicide bombing crap for the past six months. Law enforcement was "watching". Guess what would have happened in the Bush admin.? Snatched up by CIA agents and beaten until he gave up his homies.

Oh, but puleeeze don't take my freedoms and liberties away by tapping my phone, or puting my girlfriend's panties on my head until I submit.  That would be soooo degrading and humiliating.
(but I'm OK if you want to give my illegal a$$ some free healthcare - all you sorry taxpayers are gonna pay for it!)
 
 

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3rd - here is an article from Foxnews.  It talks near the bottom about how he came to law enforcements attention 6 months ago.  I usually like to pull news from several different sources, since I don't trust them.  Sometimes fox reports things cnn doesn't and vice versa.Also, HKA - You can read in here how Hassan didn't like the wars and how he frequently got into arguments with other officers.  That one's on CNN as well.  Not on MSNBC though.

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Morean - sorry for your loss. As for Bush, I think history will show he was a lot better President than he is currently given credit for. Whether you voted for or against him, he did not govern based on polling or for acceptance from foreign leaders. For the most part, he knew who his friends were and who were wolves in sheeps clothing. He was not afraid to make a decision and was a decisive leader and had the best interest of the USA at heart even at the cost of his own political capital. In my opinion, he was the best man for the time period he was President.

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Hey Kool-Aid wrote: 
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job.  I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. 
 
NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is!  We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely.  Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon!  I could go on, but it gets me too fired up.  Just my .02
 
Seriously?  What part of Socialism, Marxism, corruption, and the massive wave of debt and higher taxes headed our way is the jury still out on?  How does an intelligent person in this country NOT see what is happening here with this administration?  If could have their way, they would have controlled what kind of breakfast cereal you got to eat this morning.  If for no other reason that they believe you're not smart enough to make the right choice between Raisin Bran and Cocoa Puffs. 

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voltmoie wrote:W was loved by the military (from what I have witnessed), I also thought he was very smart. The ability to read a speech off a teleprompter does not equal intelligence to me. Bush's biggest failing to me was he was loyal to a fault. He kept people around him that gave him bad advice too long. Also, his lack of vetos drove me nuts.
 
Tell me that you are just being sarcastic....please....

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Bush was pretty smart. UPT is difficult enough. Not only does it require a lot of studying, but there is a TON of high pressure situations known as "wing standup" EVERY DAY. Forget Harvard and Yale. That junk is tough.

Being articulate does not equate to intelligence. Creflo Dollar is articulate. So is Tom Cruise.

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jamesbond wrote:Morean - sorry for your loss. As for Bush, I think history will show he was a lot better President than he is currently given credit for. Whether you voted for or against him, he did not govern based on polling or for acceptance from foreign leaders. For the most part, he knew who his friends were and who were wolves in sheeps clothing. He was not afraid to make a decision and was a decisive leader and had the best interest of the USA at heart even at the cost of his own political capital. In my opinion, he was the best man for the time period he was President.
 
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This thread is tongue in cheek right? you guys aren't being serious?
 
A mentally ill man, who happens to be muslim goes beserk and its terrorism?
 
Wouldn't have happened under Bush's watch?
 
Bush was a good president?
 
Since you guys brought it up, speaking about not following up on info, wasn't it the bush admin that had dropped that ball? They had demoted their top terrorism expert to the "C" list. That meant the guy who met with Clinton weekly and the head of the FBI and CIA almost daily couldn't even get in to see Bush's closest advisor, Rice. Ironically, a few days after 9/11 a report from said expert dated a month before the attacks, warning of an attack, surfaces in the media. The Bush admin goes into high gear to spin the value of the report but what is made obvious by the lack of any minutes of meetings or action on the admins part is that they had never read the report.
 
Then there's this: An Arab woman gave money to an Arab organization, said money finding its way to the bank accounts of the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI dropped its investigation of this woman. The questions still linger-why was she not prosecuted? The answer is equally obvious. Her name is Princess Haifa. She is married to Saudi Prince Bandar. The very same Prince badar who bailed out the Bush's family business, Harken Energy. The same Prince Bandar who who funded Bush's Caryle Energy.  Close friends to the Bush family don't get the CIA waterboarding treatment no matter how many americans their money kill.
 
We can play the blame game on both sides.
 
 

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Spaceman Spiff wrote:Hey Kool-Aid wrote: 
OK....I will not waste much time on this subject, but I have to chime in...first let me say, I am neither a Dem or Rep...I consider myself to be Indy (politically that is)...and vote for who I think will do the best job.  I did vote for Obama, and the jury is still out whether or not it was the right choice, although I believe it was the only choice at the time. 
 
NOW....regarding the quote above, "W"...I consider myself to be above average intelligence, however, never in my years have I ever looked at an Amer. President and thought I was smarter than he, until "W" that is!  We saw 2 very different things that horrible day in 2001 my friend, I saw a deer in headlights who barely moved....I will say that after he went back to D.C. and consulted with his people, he acted swiftly and decisively...I do prefer a hawk to a dove in the Whitehouse, although even after doing what at the time seemed to be proper retalliation, albeit against the wrong people, he declares "mission accomplished" quite prematurely.  Moraen, I would bet dollars to donuts that you are in the extreme minority of Military folks that approve(d) of this buffoon!  I could go on, but it gets me too fired up.  Just my .02
 
Seriously?  What part of Socialism, Marxism, corruption, and the massive wave of debt and higher taxes headed our way is the jury still out on?  How does an intelligent person in this country NOT see what is happening here with this administration?  If could have their way, they would have controlled what kind of breakfast cereal you got to eat this morning.  If for no other reason that they believe you're not smart enough to make the right choice between Raisin Bran and Cocoa Puffs. 
 
 
Most of the responses to my other post on this thread were comparing "W" with Obama...I never said I was a staunch Obama fan either...just that I think it's funny how Republicans gave Bush 8 years...and as bad as he screwed things up, both economically and Foreign Policy wise, they are willing to give him a pass...while Obama hasn't been here a year and they are ready to hang him.  This is what I hate most about politics (and why I didn't vote for many years)....The Reps feel that everything their candidate does/says is right and everything the Dems say/do is wrong and will ruin the world....and the Dems think everything they do/say is right and whatever the Reps do will ruin the world...I think it's time for a multi-party system, because this one is becoming a joke!
 
 
and Spiff....Do you think we got into this mess because of Obama/Democrats...too much govt???  The Republicans had the white house for the past 8 years...but of course they are going to say it went back to Clinton...who will say...it all started with Reagan....personally, George Washington fcuked up the whole think if you ask me!
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Spiff  -   If you wanna talk corruption let's discuss Oil and Halliburton or why we invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia where the majority of Al Queda hail from!

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BondGuy wrote:This thread is tongue in cheek right? you guys aren't being serious?
 
A mentally ill man, who happens to be muslim goes beserk and its terrorism?
 
Wouldn't have happened under Bush's watch?
 
Bush was a good president?
 
Since you guys brought it up, speaking about not following up on info, wasn't it the bush admin that had dropped that ball? They had demoted their top terrorism expert to the "C" list. That meant the guy who met with Clinton weekly and the head of the FBI and CIA almost daily couldn't even get in to see Bush's closest advisor, Rice. Ironically, a few days after 9/11 a report from said expert dated a month before the attacks, warning of an attack, surfaces in the media. The Bush admin goes into high gear to spin the value of the report but what is made obvious by the lack of any minutes of meetings or action on the admins part is that they had never read the report.
 
Then there's this: An Arab woman gave money to an Arab organization, said money finding its way to the bank accounts of the 9/11 hijackers. The FBI dropped its investigation of this woman. The questions still linger-why was she not prosecuted? The answer is equally obvious. Her name is Princess Haifa. She is married to Saudi Prince Bandar. The very same Prince badar who bailed out the Bush's family business, Harken Energy. The same Prince Bandar who who funded Bush's Caryle Energy.  Close friends to the Bush family don't get the CIA waterboarding treatment no matter how many americans their money kill.
 
We can play the blame game on both sides.
 
 Seriously BG?  That's like blaming the recession on Bush too?I'm disappointed that you take Michael Moore's movies so seriously.Oh yes, and it of course is coincidental that he's Muslim and has been posting about homicide bombings and that it equates to throwing yourself on a grenade to save your buddies.  Please.One thing I know about, is the difference between cowardice and heroism.

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Clinton should have taken care of bin Laden before he left office.  Bush too.  After the Cole though, Clinton could have done what was needed.  Bush would not likely have gotten approval for that.  And you know it.As for Iraq - I was there.  Do you want to know WHY we hadn't had any attacks here?  Because they were all pouring in from Iran and Syria and other places trying to kill soldiers (you know, people who are trained to fight).

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I agree, the Cole was a shot across our bow which Clinton ignored.  Bush was epic.

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Let's not forget about the Muslim who threw a grenade into the command tent in Kuwait. There's a reason no one beneath the rank of E-6 was given grenades the entire time I was in Iraq.

Is it possible that ALL extremist Muslims are mentally ill?

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Possible and probable.Clinton also ignored the Embassy bombings and countless other attacks.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/ns/world_news-hunt_for_alqaida/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3618762.stm

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Let me ask everybody something.

If you were thinking of going on a rampage or blowing someone up, and you knew that you might be tortured, be it waterboarding, electrodes on your nipples, etc., would you think twice?

Now, let's assume the person who was letting the CIA torture you was no longer able to let that happen (in other words, Bush leaves office and Obama enters office) and says we are going to give you a fair trial in which you can be exonerated on a technicality.

My guess is, you would not think twice. Would you?

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Morean was there and was fighting. You other chumps are getting your information from Michael Moore and Cable News. I will believe Morean and the others I have talked to who have fought for us.

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Moraen wrote:Let me ask everybody something. If you were thinking of going on a rampage or blowing someone up, and you knew that you might be tortured, be it waterboarding, electrodes on your nipples, etc., would you think twice? Now, let's assume the person who was letting the CIA torture you was no longer able to let that happen (in other words, Bush leaves office and Obama enters office) and says we are going to give you a fair trial in which you can be exonerated on a technicality. My guess is, you would not think twice. Would you? 
 
With the exception of Ron I think most of use would not want electrodes on our nipples.

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, its not that bad actually once the scabs fall off

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Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim? Or, is that one in the same to you? Because, unless i missed the terrorist connection, that's how you are coming off. Before you go and burn down the local Mosque you need to take stock. Some of your rant is way off the hook.
 
You want to saddle me with Moore? Ok, the reason Moore gets his 15 minutes in the spotlight is because this crap really did happen. And, rather than openly, honestly answer questions like: Why was the investigation of Princess Haifa dropped?, the Bush admin chose to attack anyone who brought it up. So, the question remains, why wasn't she prosecuted? That she funded the terrorists isn't even a question, it's a fact. What's not proven is did she do it knowingly. Bush shut it down before the investigation got to that point. The question is: If the investigation would have exonerated haifa why not let it go to its only conclusion? Bush and Bandar are more than business partners, they are close friends. Bush shut it down. You do the math. Open your mind first.
 
of course that the Bush admin didn't deal with the question honestly just pours gasoline on the whole thing. Why not tell us the truth? Because the truth is untellable!
 
As for the terrorism expert, also fact. The Bush admin was very good at deflecting blame. So of course, it wasn't their fault that they never even bothered to read the report until after the attacks.
 
None of this comes from Moore. Not that moore doesn't have something to say about it, he does. The point is, it's out there for any inquiring mind.
 
On the economy do i blame Bush? The admins fingerprints are all over this. The combo of changed regs, and lack of oversight are leading contributors to the mess. Clinton's got his hand as well, but the fact is, when it comes to the government's roll, eight years was plenty of time to undo anything Clinton contributed. So, for the role of Government contribution to an economic meltdown, the evelope please, Geoge Bush is the Winner! Still, is Bush's admin to blame- only partly. They played a supporting role, not the staring role.
 
Bush as a good president? Not by any stretch. They guy bungled everything he touched. To date, after being president of the Unite States for eight years his greatest personal achievement is getting a new stadium built for the Texas Rangers. That's a sad legacy.
 
 

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BondGuy wrote:Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim? 
 
 
Can you point to a recent terrorist that was non-muslim other than the Uni-bomber and McVey?

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BondGuy wrote:Moraen, maybe i missed something in the news cycle? Is the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist? or is he just a Muslim? Or, is that one in the same to you? Because, unless i missed the terrorist connection, that's how you are coming off. Before you go and burn down the local Mosque you need to take stock. Some of your rant is way off the hook.
 
You want to saddle me with Moore? Ok, the reason Moore gets his 15 minutes in the spotlight is because this crap really did happen. And, rather than openly, honestly answer questions like: Why was the investigation of Princess Haifa dropped?, the Bush admin chose to attack anyone who brought it up. So, the question remains, why wasn't she prosecuted? That she funded the terrorists isn't even a question, it's a fact. What's not proven is did she do it knowingly. Bush shut it down before the investigation got to that point. The question is: If the investigation would have exonerated haifa why not let it go to its only conclusion? Bush and Bandar are more than business partners, they are close friends. Bush shut it down. You do the math. Open your mind first.
 
 
 
 
of course that the Bush admin didn't deal with the question honestly just pours gasoline on the whole thing. Why not tell us the truth? Because the truth is untellable!
 
As for the terrorism expert, also fact. The Bush admin was very good at deflecting blame. So of course, it wasn't their fault that they never even bothered to read the report until after the attacks.
 
None of this comes from Moore. Not that moore doesn't have something to say about it, he does. The point is, it's out there for any inquiring mind.
 
On the economy do i blame Bush? The admins fingerprints are all over this. The combo of changed regs, and lack of oversight are leading contributors to the mess. Clinton's got his hand as well, but the fact is, when it comes to the government's roll, eight years was plenty of time to undo anything Clinton contributed. So, for the role of Government contribution to an economic meltdown, the evelope please, Geoge Bush is the Winner! Still, is Bush's admin to blame- only partly. They played a supporting role, not the staring role.
 
Bush as a good president? Not by any stretch. They guy bungled everything he touched. To date, after being president of the Unite States for eight years his greatest personal achievement is getting a new stadium built for the Texas Rangers. That's a sad legacy.
 
 
 
Thank goodness for some sanity on this site...I was beginning to think I was in the bizarro world!   Moraen, with all due respect, I appreciate your service to our country as well as all the other men and women that serve(d).   However, just being there doesn't make you an expert on foreign policy or allow you to speak for all of the soldiers there.  Thats like living in Harlem and never getting mugged and saying "this is the safest city in the U.S. because I have never been robbed.  As a matter of fact, I would venture a guess that the folks over there no less about what is going on then we do back here, since the gov't wouldn't want to hurt morale with the "truth"...
 
 
 
 

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I suppose all of you Bush supporters will be voting Palin in 2012?

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I voted for Bush both times, then I voted for Obama.  I can't stand Palin.
 
Correction: I can stand Palin, but don't want her to be close to being president (hence I didn't vote for McCain).  Although I did vote for McCain in the 2000 prelims - instead of Bush.

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Palin is hot. That's about it.

First of all, I don't vote except in local elections. Your vote doesn't count.

I meant the recession in 2000. You can blame that on a guy who was in office for two months?

The root cause of the financial crisis was the loosening of credit restrictions. Too many people were "owning the American Dream". Way too many. These policies were enacted by the Clinton Administration with a Republican Congress. Both parties complicit. You cannot lay the blame for that at Bush's feet.

As for me being a foreign policy expert - you are correct. I am, however a security expert. Before I was in this business, I was board certified in Security Management (CPP). In addition, most of my friends are foreign policy experts, either attending the Naval war college, or CGSC, completing Master's and Ph.D's in foreign affairs, low impact operations and international relations. I have helped them edit their theses and dissertations.

While I don't speak for the entire military, I can argue that those I encounter (80% of my clients are military or related to military) are pro-Bush. And bear him no ill will and in fact supported most of his policies. These people range in rank from E-4 to O-8 (Specialist to Major General). They are logisticians, infantry, chemical corps, artillery (yes Army, I took one of your peeps).

On this subject I KNOW what I'm talking about.

In addition, the man is a terrorist, because he enacted an event of terror (whether he is a member of al Qaeda - I don't know). The simple fact of the matter is that he was a Muslim and a terrorist, therefore he was a Muslim terrorist. He shouted "Allah Akbar" (God is great) before he went on his rampage. To think that there isn't a connection between him being a Muslim and what he did is naive at best and irresponsible at worst.

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The IRA are freedom fighters, they attack their occupiers.

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Hah!  I believed that at one point too.

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HKA - You think someone who spent a year arresting terrorists crossing the borders doesn't know anything about policies? You don't think someone who spent a year sleeping literally 2 inches from soldiers EVERY day doesn't know what's on that persons mind or what they think?

It's simple statistics. While I would not go as far as to say the five people in our company who were anti-Bush are outliers, I will say they are obviously in the clear minority.

We have seen over 2 million troops cycle through the various deployment zones in the last eight years. That's approximately 100,000 people who are anti-Bush. I would even go as high as 300,000, since infantry units are mostly white males.

Do you know how these people think? Have you ever spoken to a native Afghani or Iraqi or Syrian or Iranian (interestingly enough, Iran is the closest to Western thought).

An Iraqi thinks that it is wrong to sleep with a woman before you are married, but it's ok to f*ck a goat. An Afghani thinks both are wrong (won't stop some of them), but it is ok to bang little boys.

Also, common knowledge is that Muslim countries abhor pornography. Don't bring it, they say. You'll piss these people off. What is the first thing you see when you are on a major road in these countries? Little boys selling porn DVDs of chicks giving dogs blowjobs. Kids!

What you hear on the news and what you hear from Harvard grads and Princeton grads and pundits who have "researched" these areas is crap. You have to be there. If not, you don't know what you are talking about.

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I also don't think we need to be burning mosques, but there is nothing wrong with profiling them.

I have olive skin and could be mistaken for Middle Eastern. I have been searched at the airports more times than I can count. Even when coming back from deployment on leave and going BACK to Iraq after that. Do you know how galling that is?

But it's necessary. And if it were up to me, I wouldn't be "randomly" searched. I'd be the guy they pull out of line every time. I'd be the guy that they alert the FBI for if I buy fertilizer or a freakin' bow and arrow. They should profile me.

You do that, and you keep this country safe. You don't, and you treat everybody the same, and you get what happened yesterday.

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I remember the 'nam ... that shyt was crazy.

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Voltmoie:<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Have you every read the Korean?
Islam forbids conversion by the sword of people of the Book (Judaism and Christian).
Islam holds Moses and Jesus as prophets. Islam believes that Jesus was born to a virgin. Jew’s Christian and Muslims all worship the same God.
Islam is not the problem; it is the fundamentalist that are the problem. I do not care if they are Christian, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or whom ever they worship it is fundamentalist that are the problem.
 
 

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Moraen wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html Since September 11th, we had no attacks while Bush was in office. I will reserve a little judgement, but since Barack has taken office, and we've apologized to the world, look what happens. Not only on our soil, but on our military base? Just because he has a Muslim name doesn't mean he was Al Qaeda. But it is just a little bit coincidental.

 
 
 Bondguy did you miss this line ?

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Its not a question as to whether or not Volt has read the Korean, its have these terrorists ?
 
 

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