Possible Presidential Pairings?

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Politics aside, this would make for an interesting pairing:
 
Pres - White Man     (McCain)   vs    Black Man         (Obama)
VP    - Black Woman (Rice)              White Woman  (Clinton)
 
 
Apparently, the rumors about Condi Rice as a VP-candidate is getting some traction.
 
 

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The Obama/Clinton ticket would win easily.
I think that the only way that McCain can win this thing is if Rice is his VP and Clinton is at the top of the Dem ticket with someone other than Obama.  It would be close, but McCain would have a chance to win.
 
McCain reminds me of John Kerry.  I'm not talking about political ideals.  Rather, when Kerry lost against Bush, the dems weren't excited about their candidate.  They were voting against Bush.  The Republicans have that problem this time.  They don't like their candidate.  They will be voting against the other guy.  It's tough to win an election voting against someone instead of for someone.

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anonymous wrote:The Obama/Clinton ticket would win easily.The problem is Obama seems hell-bent on Billary NOT being his number two.I'm not crazy about Condie as a VP either, my choice would be Huckabee to balance out the ticket, hell I'd like to see Colin Powell but he'd never take it which is why I think he'd be an excellent Veep.

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Big difference between Huckabee & Colin Powell.

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The problem is Obama seems hell-bent on Billary NOT being his number two.

 
I think that you are correct.  I was commenting on the original post.  I think that regardless of who the #2 person will be, Obama will win fairly easily.
 
The point that I'm really trying to make is that the republicans only have one chance outside of a scandal and/or catastropic event between now and the election.  This "one chance" involves 3 things happening:
 
1) Hillary must be the Democratic nominee
2) Obama can't be her running mate
3) McCain needs a strong female running mate, preferably an African American.  Maybe this is a sad commentary on my part, or our country's part, but I can't think of a strong female African American Republican with name recognition other than Rice.

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How about this combo:
 
John McCain w/ Michael Moore for his VP
Barrack Obama w/Rush Limbaugh as his VP

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How about Ferris Bueller for President & Bobby Hull as his Veep? Think of all the hunting 'accidents' that would occur... Bobby might even be able to convince his little muffin to start another war. Iran needs to be put in it's place, and we messed up the invasion of Cuba the first time - gotta get that one right. And each and every person in Saudi royal family would own a variable annuity - for tax deferral of course(bring back some of that oil revenue. Who needs better fuel standards?). What a platform they'd have!

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If there was a muslim running I'd give him or her a good look - doubt they'd get my vote because the country's just not ready yet & I'd like my candidate to win. You wouldn't get my vote, either, sorry. I'd like to vote for McCain, but he's just a tad too hawkish for me. Don't really like any of the alternatives. What experience does Hillary really have? She was in the other wing of the house when the decisions were made? Obama's platform is the plain vanilla democratic platform that's been run & lost with 100 times. He's far better at communicating it's virtues than those that have come before him, but is it really a change? No... not really. Barack as a leader presents a significant change, and so does McCain.

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Rice? Huckabee?
Are you guys still on your client 9 goes down high? (no pun intended)
For a candidate to get my vote the have to believe that the doctrine of pre-emptive war is flawed. More over they would have to be far removed from such a flawed policy, and definately not the primary drafter of such a disgraceful National Security Strategy. Guess that eliminates Rice.
 
More so, for a candidate to get my vote they have to acknowledge that the earth is not flat, dinosaurs lived long before man came along. They would  have to believe that there was an ice age, and that the tiny specks of light we see in the night sky come from far far away. Much further away than the roughly 5000 year time line covered in the Bible. Additionally they have to leave the Constitution alone. We don't need any more amendments. This eliminates Huckabee.
 
Any candidate who gets rid of Real ID has my vote

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Huckabee and Rice are off of the table anyway. 
 
Rice is a continuation of the Bush legacy on foreign policy - now there's a popular horse you want to hitch your wagon to in November.
 
You may not like bond guy's politics (or religion, see hijacked Spitzer thread), but he is spot on with Huckabee.  I'm Christian, but that guy is wacko.  Plus he has some tapes of old sermons floating out there somewhere, which have remained hidden but wouldn't stay under wraps in a general election.  By the way, those tapes were made when the big issues the Southern Baptists were rallying against weren't abortion and gays, but about women who didn't sumbit 100% to their husbands.  I bet that will play well when one of those sermons gets sent to CNN at the end of October.

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While I might disagree with Bondguy on his religious views. I would assume that we could agree that we both disagree with Obama's religious views displayed very "colorfully" by the Rev Wright.

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It really disappoints me that Obama hasn't taken a bigger hit to his popularity. It doesn't bode well for America to be populated by so many D.A.'s (not District Attorneys). Face it, Obama is a racist. He hangs around with racists, his religious beliefs are racist, he is a racist.
 
Just as the press called Reagan the "Teflon President", Obama is the "Teflon Democrat" and sh*t doesn't stick to teflon.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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henryhill wrote:How about this combo:
 
John McCain w/ Michael Moore for his VP
Barrack Obama w/Rush Limbaugh as his VP
 
McCain might talk his bud Joe Liberman into being his running mate...
since he's weak on economics, maybe Romney (although people didn't want a Mormon in office)
then there's Huckabee who wouldn't be bad either.

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Uh-Oh, more rumors circulating the networks about a "McCain - Rice" ticket.

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"Starting in the 70s and to this day politicians have been promising to reform the oil industry. The only thing that has changed is that today Exxon is making 40 billion dollars a year in profits and gas is $3.50 a gallon at the pump. My name is Barack Obama and I approve this message because it's time for change. I've never taken money from oil companies or their lobbyist and they won't run my White House. It's time for change..."
 
Let's look past the fact that politicians aren't allowed to take money from any corporations, this is the message that Obama is flooding the airwaves with in PA. Now, I've paraphrased it from memory so I don't have it exactly right, but read it. It's message is spot on.
 
McCain represents staus quo. If he wants to have a chance he needs to understand what is motivating people, and it's not about who he picks for VP. I'll leave it to someone else to utter the famous line from the 92 election that sums up what's on people's mind these days. That barack has closed the gap in PA to under ten points shows that his message is hitting a nerve. McCain should be very worried. An he needs to get on message.

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Is there any chance of Bloomberg jumping in?

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Apparently I don't know how this fandangled computer works, so cut and paste the article above if interested.

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I'd like to see McCain/Huckabee.  Really the reason I like Huck is because of the Fair Tax.  I know that's a whole new debate in and of itself, but it would be nice to not have to worry about tax season ever again.

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doberman wrote:Politics aside, this would make for an interesting pairing:
 
Pres - White Man     (McCain)   vs    Black Man         (Obama)
VP    - Black Woman (Rice)              White Woman  (Clinton)
 
 
Apparently, the rumors about Condi Rice as a VP-candidate is getting some traction.
 
 
 
Actually, if you want to get technical about it, Obama is half-white, too.  But due to the darker, more dominate genes/traits, he looks, talks and acts 100% black.  Halle Berry is half black, too but calls herself black.  Wouldn't it be more honest to just have a race called Half  Vanilla/Half Chocolate (half n half).
 
More political commentary:  What's the big deal of Hillary's comments.  Maybe she meant, "relax folks, if I get assasinated then I'm out of the picture so let me hang around till the end of this, will ya?".
 
I'd like to see Joe Lieberman as McCain's VP.
 
But, can any new president do anything about these out-of-control gas prices? 

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[quote=megamonet
 
But, can any new president do anything about these out-of-control gas prices? 
 
Yes and that's what scares me. Given the current and "anticipated" crop of politicians, they would only screw it up, further.
 
Two things are preventing a reduction in oil prices: our unwillingness to drill for more oil and a weak dollar. Doing what it takes, to correct both problems, would be politically unpopular. So, gas prices will continue to go up, the dollar will continue to go down, and the oil companies will face the prospect of becoming nationalized.
 
 

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Crazy that McCain picked a women and Obama picked an old dude... Personally, I see McCain in the white house!

Miss J

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MISS JONES wrote:Crazy that McCain picked a women and Obama picked an old dude... Personally, I see McCain in the white house! Miss J
 
What besides ANWAR drilling will Palin exactly do?
 
Not saying I know much about it, but couldn't McCain have picked someone with better economic policies?  I realize he's trying to win the women's vote, but...

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He's holding on to that race card like it's Uno or something, I'm sure he'll keep throwing that out there when he gets the chance. 

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IsOldSpiceRightForMe wrote: He's holding on to that race card like it's Uno or something, I'm sure he'll keep throwing that out there when he gets the chance. 

HA HA HA.. My assistant and I are cracking up at that UNO comment!!!

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iceco1d wrote:Just for OldSpice & Norway...to McCain I ask the same question of Hanley...
 
"Hey John, you hittin' that?" 
 
With HIS wife?!!!  Better up the Viagra scrip.
 
Ditto on the UNO card...that was funny, Old Spice.

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I know...I just don't think he can handle both w/o the little blue pill!

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iceco1d wrote:No, no, no.  Not his wife, our next Veep!
 
Imagine this.  McCain has an affair with Palin.  Both get impeached so the Speaker of the House is the next president:
 
Nancy Pelosi.  Uh-oh.

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iceco1d wrote: He won't get impeached if he doesn't lie about nailing Palin...Clinton got impeached for perjury, not getting head.

Ice- I think you need to get some.. Your mind has been in the gutter recently. That always happens to me when I am in need. So go take care of business and get back with us. (not with the details obviously)

Miss J

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MISS JONES wrote: iceco1d wrote: He won't get impeached if he doesn't lie about nailing Palin...Clinton got impeached for perjury, not getting head. Ice- I think you need to get some.. Your mind has been in the gutter recently. That always happens to me when I am in need. So go take care of business and get back with us. (not with the details obviously) Miss J
 
He just got married.  That explains it.

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snaggletooth wrote:MISS JONES wrote:Crazy that McCain picked a women and Obama picked an old dude... Personally, I see McCain in the white house! Miss J
 
What besides ANWAR drilling will Palin exactly do?
 
Not saying I know much about it, but couldn't McCain have picked someone with better economic policies?  I realize he's trying to win the women's vote, but...Palin has been my preference for a long time now and McCain's pick is incredibly smart.Who does she appeal to besides women, who ...ahem.... are more than 50% of the population?  What other voters is he going to pull into the fold.by choosing her?NRA... lifetime member  Gun peopleUnion... her husband is a Steelworker's Union member. She is a former union member (don't know which one)... Gonna love her and him in the blue collar states.Sportsmen and women. .. She is a former point guard in high school winning team. current hockey player.  Her hunky husband is a  3x champion snow mobile winner.  She currently plays hockey herself.    Brings in the NASCAR type voters.Son in the military.  Need I say more?Hubby has a commercial fishing business that she participates in and he is a blue collar oil man...not an executive ....in the off seasonHubby is a hawt hunk to boot!!.  Pulls in the gay vote  and women who would just like to have some eye candy.Right to life...talking the talk and walking the walk.  Has a son with Down's Syndrome.  Could have had an abortion but chose not to.  Gets the Catholic and evangelical voteShe is against government spending and waste.  Canceled her own expensive security guards that were provided by the state and the expensive plane provided to previous governors.  Now you are talking small government conservativesOuted a bunch of corrupt Republican politicians in Alaska who are now facing some severe penalties and prosecution.  Reform and rule of lawHas negotiated with Canada regarding the natural gas pipeline... Foreign policy experience..FTWNot to mention all the really pissed off Hillary votersIt was a brilliant pick.  I'm surprised that McCain actually did it considering that he is such a boob.I wasn't going to vote this year because I really don't like McCain and his liberal policies and cannot stand Obama.   First time in a very long time that I wouldn't have voted for President.  I am now going to vote and feel very very positive about having Palin on the ticket because she is a true conservative.

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The only negative I keep hearing is her thin resume when it comes to chief executive experience and she still has more than Obama in my opinion. I'll admit to being shocked by the selection, but thus far, it's looking like a very bold and very smart pick. It only remains to be seen how she handles the intense media scrutiny ,her debate with Biden, and this ''Wootengate'' thing that's getting some attention. Apparently McCain's people decided she'd do fine on all counts. I'm impressed by what I see so far...she appears to handle herself well and is easy on the eyes (sorry...man thing).

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I agree it has every appearance of brilliant pick for all the reasons listed by Babs.I saw a clip late last night and can't find it, showing Obama asked about Palin and he was fumbling around and had the look of a deer (moose) in the headlights.  He certainly did not get the "second coming of Christ" bounce off that production / speech Thursday night.Dems calling this Quayle / Ferarro like.  Dems dead wrong on this one.  If we could let Joe Biden (career do nothing Senator) or the "O" (no record of accomplishment beyond beating Hillary and rising up from rough and tumble politics in Chiicago) be president...why not a hockey mom?  My wife is a hockey Mom and I'd go with Palin over all 3...I'd love to be in the Friday strategy meeting with Obama / Biden...and by the way she has more experience and much more compelling life story than Obama.  We don't need another do nothing Harvard grad in the WH.

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Yeah, she's got all the right stuff! To be mayor of Moosejaw or whatever back water town from which she rose up.  Past that, she's not qualified. Folks, look at the mayor of your town. Would you want this person to be president? And even if you do, would they be qualified? It doesn't matter that they are good people, good looking and down to earth. What matters is, can they do the job?
 
I agree the down to earth hockey mom/blue collar every woman thing is very attractive. But think a moment about wedge issues. Wedge issues are distractions designed to get voters to vote against their best interests. You know, like a president who will ship all a state's jobs overseas, but still gets that state's voters to vote for him using something like gay marriage,  flag burning, or another issue. People vote for him and lose their jobs as a result. It's slight of hand politics. Very smart, but deceptive. It's as if McCain's veep pick is a wedge issue unto herself. People are focused on everything she is, Hockey mom MILF, frontier woman, and not on the most important issue, which is, what she is not-which is she's qualified to run this country. Voting for her would be a vote against our best interests in that she could assend to the presidency a week after McCain takes office. We would then have a hockey mom whose resume includes running a state less complex than most counties in NJ, NY, IL,CA, MI, PA, MD,MA, and FL. To me that's putting our lives at stake. or at the very least, the future of this country.
 
We can't afford another mistake at the top.
 
 
 
Just because she shops at Wal-mart isn't a reason to put our lives in her hands.
 
 

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BondGuy wrote:Yeah, she's got all the right stuff! To be mayor of Moosejaw or whatever back water town from which she rose up.  Past that, she's not qualified. Folks, look at the mayor of your town. Would you want this person to be president? And even if you do, would they be qualified? It doesn't matter that they are good people, good looking and down to earth. What matters is, can they do the job?
 
I agree the down to earth hockey mom/blue collar every woman thing is very attractive. But think a moment about wedge issues. Wedge issues are distractions designed to get voters to vote against their best interests. You know, like a president who will ship all a state's jobs overseas, but still gets that state's voters to vote for him using something like gay marriage,  flag burning, or another issue. People vote for him and lose their jobs as a result. It's slight of hand politics. Very smart, but deceptive. It's as if McCain's veep pick is a wedge issue unto herself. People are focused on everything she is, Hockey mom MILF, frontier woman, and not on the most important issue, which is, what she is not-which is she's qualified to run this country. Voting for her would be a vote against our best interests in that she could assend to the presidency a week after McCain takes office. We would then have a hockey mom whose resume includes running a state less complex than most counties in NJ, NY, IL,CA, MI, PA, MD,MA, and FL. To me that's putting our lives at stake. or at the very least, the future of this country.
 
We can't afford another mistake at the top.
 
 
 
Just because she shops at Wal-mart isn't a reason to put our lives in her hands.
 
 
 
I agree BG.  A lot of people are happy with her as VP.  I don't get it.  Your slight of hand comment makes sense to me.
 
One of the Republicans and McCain's biggest selling points against Obama/Biden was Obama's inexperience.  I think Palin as VP is more inexperienced than Obama as President.
 
Below are the talking points I received from a client of mine "in the know" in the Senate.  One would think the talking points for possible VP would be a little more comprehensive and might include some decent international policy success:
 

TALKING POINTS: GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN <?: PREFIX = O />
  Governor Sarah Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president.  She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has seen approval ratings of over 80 percent.
  ·          She has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources.
  ·          She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.
  ·          She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending.  And she put a stop to the bridge to nowhere that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
  ·         In Alaska, she challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill.
  ·          As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.
Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington.
In choosing Governor Sarah Palin, John McCain put Washington on notice that he is serious about shaking up the status quo.
What we're seeing is a maverick who has shaken up Washington picking as his teammate a maverick governor who has shaken up her own state.
What it's going to take to change Washington is a team of Mavericks who have a record of accomplishment in shaking up the status quo.

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My question is, if Sarah Palin is not qualified, how is Barak Obama qualified?  You can say that Obama has an experienced mentor, but at this point, so does Palin and she's not in the #1 position.  I'm all for a spirited debate, and I expect one, but I'm most concerned about the decided lack of executive experience in one of our presidential candidates.

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BG-What makes you so comfortable about Obama experience versus Palin?  Please be specific.  Rugby

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I can agree with Indy. Palin doesn't have the experience. However; it is the VP spot and not the President.
I felt exactally like Babs; this election wasn't exciting me until this announcement. I JUST LIKE Palin. And her likability jumps off the screen when you hear her speak, unlike H. Clinton, who was completely qualified.
The Republicans just nailed it (and I didn't vote for Bush).
 

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We can start with something that is often mentioned as so important on this site; education. Obama graduated from Columbia with a degree in political science and earned a law degree from harvard where he graduated magna cum laude.
 
Palin earned a degree in jounalism from University of Idaho.
 
However, using George Bush's C minus college record as a guide, Palin's lightweight education credentials will probably work in her favor.
 
While Obama was busy leading a community service organzation, serving as a law profeesor, and then as a Illinios State Senator, Palin was busy running a snowmobile business with her husband and being a part time fisherman. The more I write about her, the more impressed i become!
 
Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996. By the way, Illinois has a population of almost 13,000,000 people. Obama was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. Obama serves on the Foreign relations committee. He also serves on the committees for health , education,labor, and pensions as well as the committee for Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and the committee for Veterans' Affairs. You might note that on his recent overseas trip he received a Presidential welcome where ever he went. There is no question he has the right stuff to repair our damaged foreign policys and restore our more severely damaged image. At this point in his presidential campaign, when compared to either George Bush or Bill Clinton on the eve of their first push for president, he has more foreign policy/foreign relations experience than both of them put together.
 
Palin was elected mayor of a small town of 5 to 8,000 people depending on sources, and then found her way to the Governor's office where she presides over a state with a population of 600,000. She has used the "But she's hot" view of her to cover for her lack of cred for most of her life including her ride to the governors office.
 
The truth is we don't know enough about her yet. We only know what the repub spin machine is putting out.
 
Still, there is enough to draw some conclusions. Chief among what is known is this: The repub right is big on hearth and family. The family values conservative right woman are supposed to put nurture above ambition. Woman,  are supposed to put family above all else. Here we have a woman who is being nominated for sainthood by the anti abortion right  for her decision to have a downs syndrome child. Something, I agree was a brave decision. Yet, now she going to leave that child for large swaths of time to run for the second highest office in the country. Clearly she is putting that child second to her own ambition. If elected, the requirements of the office will put that child as well as her entire family second. She is saying one thing and doing another. The hypocracy is glaring.
 
Then there is this about McCain: he has spent the last 2 months harping that Obama is ill equipped to face the challenges that face America today. Then what does he do? He picks a running mate that is obviously ill equipped to run the country.
 
Obama's experience can be debated. As mentioned, today he carries more foreign policy experience than either did Clinton or Bush prior to their first terms. And, he made a wise choice of running mate. Someone who helps him greatly on foriegn policy. That choice was presidential.  Or at least showed great leadership. By the way, I'm not  Biden fan. I think he's a JO. Back on McCain, considering his words downing Obama's lack of cred, his choice makes no sense. Not a presidential choice. In fact a dangerous choice that shows lack of judgement.
 
So with the republicans we have A woman telling us she puts her family first while clearly putting them second and a man who tell us we need experienced leaders while picking an inexpereinced person for a top leadership position. Since i don't own "Republican For Dummys," as the convention gets started this week, should I listen to what they say or watch what they do? Clearly, there is a vast expanse between the two.
 
Palin has no business being on the ticket, but she's hot!
 
 
 
 
 
This is not a debate between who is more qualified, Palin or Obama. Obama won't even mention Palin's name.

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This pick will certainly not sway entrenched Obama supporters like you...undecided and independents is what the election is about  gong forward. This will be a great argument in the next few months leading up to the election and it will be fun to debate.  Obama on his way to make history just got a real curveball in obtaining women and blue collar voters that are scratching their heads about his experience, background, heritage, preacher, associations...In hindsight he should have picked a women (HRC or perhaps a woman Gov. with executive experience of a state with an acceptable population level).  To say that by picking Biden was a good call it and it was presidential etc..etc...is tough to buy.  It was a political pick, just as McCain picking Palin....Biden is a crackpot who has been on the wrong sides of every vote for his too long tenure in Washington.  He is however, older, white, and has foreign policy experience.Does the country need the status quo?  (2) senators, Biden - Obama is looking a little like same old, same old....luckily for the Dem. ticket, Obama has only been there for a short while and has spent most of his time campaigning for the POTUS.   An interesting dynamic is developing and the "Change" Obama supporters want the change, but want it with all the trappings of the status quo:   Harvard educations, career politicians, political hierarchies, political machines and the candidates that they produce.  Ask any blue collar worker in OH, PA, LA who they identify with...Sarah Palin and her husband/family or Barack and Michelle Obama?   The Obama's with their Princeton, Columbia, Harvard degrees...and jobs obtained in non-profit sector,  community organizing, state senator...Michelle's 300k yr. job as a non-profit hospital admin???  I'm surprised BG, having run your own business yourself and as a lover of motorized toys I thought you would be more impressed with the Palins.This will be a fascinating election.  Status quo, who is really for change, race, gender etc...Tim Russert must be smiling in heaven.

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Ice,you're not coming off very moderator like in this post. Did I hit a nerve?
 
 
iceco1d wrote:BondGuy wrote:
 
 
We can start with something that is often mentioned as so important on this site; education.
Obama graduated from Columbia with a degree in political science and earned a law degree from harvard where he graduated magna cum laude.
 
Great.  If that doesn't scream "typical politician" then I don't know what else does.  Poli Sci major w/ a law degree?  Come on!  Talk about "same old, same old!"
Point missed! His degrees show a level of accomplishment. That they are tough degrees to earn and he earned at least one with distinction tells us he is a doer who can acheive goals at a high level. Remember, he is interviewing for a job, we have on make judgements on the exibits we can see. No different than if he we were interviewing him for a job in our practice. What does his education tell us about the man?
 
His degrees will help him greatly in DC, where, by knowing how the system works(he has a degree in that) will better enable him to accomplish his goals.
 
Speaking of education and "magna cum laude."  Everytime someone comes on this site talking about their GPA and their education..well, I don't need to tell you how they are greeted.  Why is it that all of a sudden, GPA and an Ivy League degree make you qualified to be President?
 
It doesn't. However, if before you stood two candidates for a position in your practice, both otherwise equalty qualified would gpa or school choice enter into your hiring decision? Again, this shows a level of accomplishment.
 
Palin earned a degree in jounalism from University of Idaho.
 
Is there a problem with the field of Journalism?  Or is the University of Idaho NOT a competent school? 
 
I'm sure UoI is a fine school. Does it matter?  Unless Palin writes her own speeches her degree is useless in DC. Her degree is useless practically everywhere. She found that out, used it and her good looks for a short time, and then moved on.
 
I went to a state school for my bachelor's and master's degrees.  I have plenty of friends that went to private schools.  I have some friends that even went to Ivy league schools.  I feel "outclassed" by exactly ZERO of them. 
 
Yet to an interviewer you'd be out classed by everyone of them.
 
Once again, why, all of a sudden, does a diploma from an "elite" school, or a high GPA, make you qualified for the position of "Commander in Chief?"
 
However, using George Bush's C minus college record as a guide, Palin's lightweight education credentials will probably work in her favor.
 
George Bush has an MBA from Harvard...once again, why does the school matter?  In fact, at state schools, if you fail, you fail.  There is no ass kissing.  You either do the work, or you fail out.  More retards "slip through the cracks" at private schools than anywhere else in life, simply because their daddy may have built the new wing on the library, or paid for the renovation of the auditorium. 
 
Ice, one look at this country and you see what happens when we have a life long underacheiver as Prez. Obama wasn't a laggart who was kept in school by a rich daddy. Implying he was makes you come off uninformed.
 
While Obama was busy leading a community service organzation, serving as a law profeesor, and then as a Illinios State Senator, Palin was busy running a snowmobile business with her husband and being a part time fisherman. The more I write about her, the more impressed i become!
 
That is an obvious belittlement of Palin.  So what?  How many of US are leaders in a community service organization?  Whoopty freakin' doo.  A law professor?  Awesome.  I know plenty of professor, including law profs, that I wouldn't trust to watch my house for the weekend, let alone run the country.  And an "Illinois State Senator?"  Really.  I know my local state Senator, and my local State Rep...and neither of them are qualified in any way to run the country.  They lobby for money to build monuments in our district.  Or clean up the local parks.  Not negotiate with Iran. 
 
Not a beliitlement of Palin. Only the facts about her resume. She ran what would equate to in the lower 48 states, a lawn mower repair business. A small mom and pop business. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact it's quintessential Alaska. But as a business, even when compared to other powersports dealers/servicers she was small. But again, not the point, which you once again missed.
 
Barak used his education to help others, not himself. He worked to better peoples lives and he worked in a working class environment to do it.
 
All of the things you listed for Obama a) Are on the resume of every god damn politician in Washington, and b) Look real fancy when you say/type them, but not all that relevant to the job of President.
Actually a degree in Politcal Science is very relevant.
 
By the way, since when did running a small business become something that should be shameful? 
 
Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996.
 
Once again, that's a completely different job than President.  I live in Pennsylvania.  My local State Senator was a CUSTODIAL SUPERVISOR at a local power plant, prior to getting elected.  Awesome.  Maybe he should run too?
 
And again with the reading comprehension issues. The relevancy of Obama's state senate experience is in it's educational value to run a government. He understands how to get things done in a legislative arena. He's done it for years. Being prez isn't just about having a vision, it's about acheiving the vision. Unfortunately, with our system of government, that means playing politics. I don't like it either, but it is the way it is.
 
By the way, Illinois has a population of almost 13,000,000 people. Obama was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. Obama serves on the Foreign relations committee. He also serves on the committees for health , education,labor, and pensions as well as the committee for Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and the committee for Veterans' Affairs.
 
So we are glorifying committees now?  Once again, when did we start citing these as positives?  Sounds like career politics to me..."business as usual."
 
To those of who understand the relevancy it's very important.
 
You might note that on his recent overseas trip he received a Presidential welcome where ever he went.
 
Did you expect him to visit locations where he would receive a hostile reception?
 
At least one of his stops wasn't a German market. Ice, what does presidential reception mean? The places he went, tens of thousands of people turned out ot cheer him. Why do you suppose that is?
 
There is no question he has the right stuff to repair our damaged foreign policys and restore our more severely damaged image.
 
I have plenty of doubts about it.  Moreover, his ineptitude WILL be "front and center" if elected.  Palin's only MIGHT BE "front and center" if McCain wins.  And even then, not certainly for a full presidential term.
 
At this point in his presidential campaign, when compared to either George Bush or Bill Clinton on the eve of their first push for president, he has more foreign policy/foreign relations experience than both of them put together.
 
That is a flat out lie, and you know it. 
 
I don't like being called a liar. Especially by someone who can't keep up with the debate.
But, i'll listen. Ice, tell me exactly what was George Bush's and Bill Clinton's foriegn policy/ relations experience  prior to taking office? And in the words of Rugby, be specific. And I will add, good luck in your search!
 
Palin was elected mayor of a small town of 5 to 8,000 people depending on sources, and then found her way to the Governor's office where she presides over a state with a population of 600,000.
 
Where did Obama start his political career?  Directly to State senator? Yes I doubt it.  And even if he did, that's a moot point.  Most politicians start out as a town/city councilman/woman, mayor, etc. 
 
Why knock someone for starting at ground zero? 
 
So what about Alaska's population?  The situation of that state presents numerous unique challenges...just because it's small, I'm sure it's no "cake walk."  Environmental and energy concerns are paramount.  Supporting a working infrastructure throughout [inhabited parts of] the USA's largest state, on a limited budget?  Basically bordering 2 foreign countries?  Most diverse climate profile of the country?  Historically high prices.  And I'm sure plenty of other challenges. 
 
Relatively speaking it is a cakewalk. Alaska politics could appropriatly be described as Bush League. My county has a larger population than Alaska. My state has 12 times it's population and only a small fraction of its land mass. One doesn't govern land, one governs people.
 
 
She has used the "But she's hot" view of her to cover for her lack of cred for most of her life including her ride to the governors office.
 
I don't think she's ever used the words "I'm hot" to further her political career.  You can blame the media for that one, not her.
 
I don't know that she's ever used those words. However, her looks are a wedge issue.
 
The truth is we don't know enough about her yet. We only know what the repub spin machine is putting out.
 
That's all we know about ANY politician.  We don't know shit about politicians.  Their job is to be the person that they think will garner the most votes. 
 
Still, there is enough to draw some conclusions. Chief among what is known is this: The repub right is big on hearth and family. The family values conservative right woman are supposed to put nurture above ambition.
 
Sexist much?
 
Ice, not my view, but that of the party you want to keep in the Whitehouse. Personally i disagree with the view that woman should stay home and take care of the babies. However, for the conservative right to push Palin on us as the woman of the year smacks of Hypocracy in light of their family first agenda. Which is well known.
 
Another smack of hypacracy is the white conservative male republican powerbase coming out in support of Palin after spending much of the last year, while in anti Hillary mode, telling us a woman has no business in the Whitehouse.
 
Woman,  are supposed to put family above all else
 
x2
 
. Here we have a woman who is being nominated for sainthood
 
I must have missed that proposal?
 
by the anti abortion right  for her decision to have a downs syndrome child. Something, I agree was a brave decision. Yet, now she going to leave that child for large swaths of time to run for the second highest office in the country. Clearly she is putting that child second to her own ambition.
 
Give me a break.  It is no more or less "dishonorable" or "wrong" for her to dedicate 4 years of her life to the office of Vice President than it is for Obama to do so and put his family on the "back burner" as you are implying. 
 
Again you are missing the point, which is the hypocracy of the party and of Palin herself if she pushes family values. it is the party that pushes woman belong at home with the family.
 
Her child has downs syndrome, not terminal cancer in its final stages.
 
She's so busy being a governnor/veep candidate caring for the baby is not her problem. Cold, yes, true? But that's how it reads Ice.
 
I know a woman with a downs syndrome child that has to work 2 jobs (65+ hours minimum per week) to support her family; that makes her no less of a mother. 
 
If elected, the requirements of the office will put that child as well as her entire family second. She is saying one thing and doing another. The hypocracy is glaring.
 
Give me a break.  This hypocracy in this conversation is the only thing that is glaring. 
 
Obama is the candidate for the Middle Class?  Yea, if I were a 3rd shift factory worker, I'm sure I could really relate to a guy with a Harvard Law degree...and I'm sure he knows "what it's like" to live in "Middle Class America."  Give me a break.
 
Should we elect a third shift factory worker for president?
 
Oh yea, 35 years ago, he ate grasshoppers for dinner in Kenya.  Awesome.
 
Who's belittlinging now?
 
Then there is this about McCain: he has spent the last 2 months harping that Obama is ill equipped to face the challenges that face America today. Then what does he do? He picks a running mate that is obviously ill equipped to run the country.
 
She won't be running the country.  He will.
 
Until he bites the big one. Then what? We'll have a snowmobile repair woman running the country. But she's hot!
 
Obama's experience can be debated. As mentioned, today he carries more foreign policy experience than either did Clinton or Bush prior to their first terms.
 
BG, that's just a first-class lie man.  And you know it. 
 
Assume I'm from Missouri
 
And, he made a wise choice of running mate. Someone who helps him greatly on foriegn policy.
 
I thought he had plenty of foreign policy experience on his own? 
 
That choice was presidential.  Or at least showed great leadership. By the way, I'm not  Biden fan. I think he's a JO. Back on McCain, considering his words downing Obama's lack of cred, his choice makes no sense. Not a presidential choice. In fact a dangerous choice that shows lack of judgement.
 
Neither Palin or Obama are as experienced as a "typical" VP or Pres candidate.  I'd rather have the less-experienced candiate as my VP than the leader of the free world...if we are using "on paper" "experience" as a requisite.
 
So with the republicans we have A woman telling us she puts her family first while clearly putting them second and a man who tell us we need experienced leaders while picking an inexpereinced person for a top leadership position. Since i don't own "Republican For Dummys," as the convention gets started this week, should I listen to what they say or watch what they do? Clearly, there is a vast expanse between the two.
 
I'd probably continue to ignore the same faults in your preferred candidate and continue to attempt to belittle and focus on the faults of the opposing party.  Actually, BG, in this case, perhaps you should just campaign for president?  Your post sounds like typical politics 101 to me.
 
Hey, i'm just talking here, you have no idea who my preferred candidate is.
 
Palin has no business being on the ticket, but she's hot!
 
Neither does Obama, and he's not!  (well, maybe women think he is, I dunno).   
 
This is not a debate between who is more qualified, Palin or Obama. Obama won't even mention Palin's name.
 
He's so cool.  I think it would be trendy to have a black president!  Oh shit, that's the exact reason he's on the ticket, I forgot. 
 

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Rugby wrote:This pick will certainly not sway entrenched Obama supporters like you...undecided and independents is what the election is about  gong forward. This will be a great argument in the next few months leading up to the election and it will be fun to debate.  Obama on his way to make history just got a real curveball in obtaining women and blue collar voters that are scratching their heads about his experience, background, heritage, preacher, associations...In hindsight he should have picked a women (HRC or perhaps a woman Gov. with executive experience of a state with an acceptable population level).  To say that by picking Biden was a good call it and it was presidential etc..etc...is tough to buy.  It was a political pick, just as McCain picking Palin....Biden is a crackpot who has been on the wrong sides of every vote for his too long tenure in Washington.  He is however, older, white, and has foreign policy experience.Does the country need the status quo?  (2) senators, Biden - Obama is looking a little like same old, same old....luckily for the Dem. ticket, Obama has only been there for a short while and has spent most of his time campaigning for the POTUS.   An interesting dynamic is developing and the "Change" Obama supporters want the change, but want it with all the trappings of the status quo:   Harvard educations, career politicians, political hierarchies, political machines and the candidates that they produce.  Ask any blue collar worker in OH, PA, LA who they identify with...Sarah Palin and her husband/family or Barack and Michelle Obama?   The Obama's with their Princeton, Columbia, Harvard degrees...and jobs obtained in non-profit sector,  community organizing, state senator...Michelle's 300k yr. job as a non-profit hospital admin???  I'm surprised BG, having run your own business yourself and as a lover of motorized toys I thought you would be more impressed with the Palins.This will be a fascinating election.  Status quo, who is really for change, race, gender etc...Tim Russert must be smiling in heaven.
 
Entrenched Obama supporter? me? Far from it. I just come off as such by speaking the truth.
 
I'm a McCain guy from way back. Drank the cool-aid, got the T shirt. Problem is he's got the repub party on his back. While down here at ground level we are suffering, things are just fine at party central. They want to maintain the staus quo. Painting their party as one for the everyman is a joke, but they're giving it a shot.
 
And yes a vote for Obama will increase my taxes. Happy about that? Nope, but I can afford it. So, for now i'll watch and see how things play out. How will i vote? For now i'm undecided. I will say though, that McCain's veep pick may have sealed the deal for me. We'll see. One thing that keeps me from Obama is Biden. I really don't like the guy.

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Entrenched Obama supporter? me? Far from it. I just come off as such by speaking the truth.
 
I'm a McCain guy from way back. Drank the cool-aid, got the T shirt. Problem is he's got the repub party on his back. While down here at ground level we are suffering, things are just fine at party central. They want to maintain the staus quo. Painting their party as one for the everyman is a joke, but they're giving it a shot.
 
And yes a vote for Obama will increase my taxes. Happy about that? Nope, but I can afford it. So, for now i'll watch and see how things play out. How will i vote? For now i'm undecided. I will say though, that McCain's veep pick may have sealed the deal for me. We'll see. One thing that keeps me from Obama is Biden. I really don't like the guy.You are undecided?  I guess I am as well and am leaning one way.     Obama came out today and said alot of people will be waiting until October to choose.  I think he is right and we should all wait until the debates to get a sense how both of these tickets are going to changes things in D.C.  The specifics of "change" from both of these campaigns should decide this election.  Obama's speech last week did not sell me on that he is the guy to do this.  Alot of promises....how do you do it though?  McCain-Palin are tossing rhetoric as well.Perhaps the debate of resumes, experience, education credentials of both sides is a futile and useless exercise.  These are our choices and one of them is a better pick for the country regardless of the path they took to ticket.  The poll numbers are not showing the Obama bounce he should have gotten out of the convention, although he may have proven he is presidential material.  Let the debates of both side's ideas and how they implement change decide who we vote for...The interesting development is that voters are hungry for specifics and voter detection of rhetoric and BS will not get you elected. 

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Rugby, for the most part agree with you.
 
However, when you speak of how both candidates will change things in DC you've got to remember that Mccain wasn't talking change until he saw Obama's polling numbers. Now, he too is a "Change" candidate. Change is playing big on mainstreet this election season. Gee, I wonder why?
 
McCain has the far tougher road in this regard. His party, or at least it's leaders and backroom players are just fine with the way things are.  So McCain has to be a consumate politician, talk change but not PO the party fathers.
 
Where does Palin stand on creationism? If she believes the earth is more than 10,000 years old, it wouldn't necessarily be a point in her favor, but at least it wouldn't be a point against her. And, on that count,  I'll give McCain a gold star for not picking Huckabee
 

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A few random (and at times, partisan) thoughts after catching up from my mini-vacation...
 
1.  It's neither truth nor a lie that Obama has more foreign policy experience than the last two presidents...it's simply a matter of perspective and opinion.  I do think that it's a long stretch to say he has even close to the amount that his opponent has.
 
2.  Biden does have some baggage...I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.  His 1988 presidential candidacy was undone by an admitted charge of plagiarism and pretty much lying about his academic success and scholarships (he graduated 76th of 85).  Here's the skinny on Joe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden ...see 1988 campaign section for what I reference.
 
3.  Hats off to Obama for stating that a child's pregnancy is off limits...and thumbs down to the blogs that tried to make an issue of it.
 
4.  It's fairly obvious to me after hearing her, that governor Palin is a very intelligent, well-spoken lady.  It's presumptuous to conclude that she is unfit for the office of president.  It's easy and partisan to say that running Alaska is a piece of cake, but it's apparent that she's taken the task seriously and the early results appear promising.
 
5.  Palin has been involved in politics/public service since being elected to her city council in 1992.  Source is the weekend WSJ page A7.  That's hardly just running a lawn mower repair business.
 
6.  McCain's pick is certainly in line with his maverick reputation.  Sure, most GOP politicos are playing nice at the moment, but there's little doubt many of them would have preferred a "safe" selection.  There are plenty of rumors that McCain overruled several advisors in his own campaign in picking Palin.
 
7.  Of course, Obama was well-received in Europe.  He is the anti-war candidate, a view that is shared with great enthusiasm by most Europeans.  The way things are now playing out in Iraq, I doubt if either candidate will need to leave many troops there for much longer anyway.  I'm just not sure that I'm ready for Europeans, who have their own issues, telling us who our president should be.
 
8.  In times like this, I miss Mike Butler...

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Just to make this post not so serious----
You know the thing that I thought was most interesting with BG's post?! The comment that Sarah Palin was HOT. Sorry, but I just don't get it. I think she is fantastic and I wouldn't change her looks, but I don't in any way see her as a sex symbol. I mean, Paris Hilton is hot. Jessica Alba is hot. But Sarah Palin?
 
BG's top 5 Women List:
 
1) Sarah Palin
2) Martha Stewart
3) The Lady with the crazy, big, black glasses in the Old Navy Commercial.
4) Hil. Clinton
5) Barbara Walters
 
 

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paris hilton aint even remotely hot.  plenty slutty and stupid, but not even worth looking at twice.

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We don't get enough of the inane partisan political polemics on TV and the radio without getting it here, too?  

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...and yet you read and posted to this thread...

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Posted, yes.  Read the whole thread, no.  My stomach couldn't handle it. You're right about the main point, though, Indyone - you guys can prattle on all you want about this, as is your right.  It's up to me to ignore it.  I'll try to do better at that.

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