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Sep 2, 2009 1:02 pm

Then he should have been paying attention. That hit is legal 3 yards from where he was… If that guy didn’t want to risk his knees, he should have stuck with intramural flag football or ballet and not football.

  Football is the ultimate risk reward sport... sure you may make $25MM but you may not be able to walk or get out of bed, but lets face it, what else would they do. We have seen what happens when they retire (McNair, Nate Newton, and others couldn't make a good choice if they tried, that is why they played football). And how many do you see who have made $30MM or more, but within 4 years after retiring they are broke or file for bankruptcy.   On a second note.. Joe Montana had 273 TDs, Bret Favre has started more games then Joe threw TDs. Oh and he has almost double the tds... I would accept an argument about Dan Marino, but all montana was, was a glorified system qb(like University of Florida qbs when Spurrier was there)
Sep 2, 2009 1:15 pm

[quote=Squash1]Then he should have been paying attention. That hit is legal 3 yards from where he was… If that guy didn’t want to risk his knees, he should have stuck with intramural flag football or ballet and not football.

  Football is the ultimate risk reward sport... sure you may make $25MM but you may not be able to walk or get out of bed, but lets face it, what else would they do. We have seen what happens when they retire (McNair, Nate Newton, and others couldn't make a good choice if they tried, that is why they played football). And how many do you see who have made $30MM or more, but within 4 years after retiring they are broke or file for bankruptcy.[/quote]   Ok, we've gotten into pretty absurd territory now.   [quote]On a second note.. Joe Montana had 273 TDs, Bret Favre has started more games then Joe threw TDs. Oh and he has almost double the tds... I would accept an argument about Dan Marino, but all montana was, was a glorified system qb(like University of Florida qbs when Spurrier was there)[/quote]   And Montana has 4 times as many rings.  His 1st year in KC they tied for the most wins in team history and went to the AFC championship game.  The thing that catapulted Favre to come back to the Vikings this year is that their offense is the EXACT SAME system that he played in Green Bay!  If you want to get into the "system" discussion.
Sep 2, 2009 5:03 pm

I don’t disagree that all qbs are system quarterbacks… Look at Jason Campbell, that guy has had 6 different offenses to learn in the last 5 years.



My point was that Favre was able to do just as good of work for a longer period of time and in the era of free agency. Remember when Montana played you could build a team for years and have that chemistry, not anymore, these guys might as well be indy reps.

Sep 2, 2009 8:13 pm

Lets get back to the main point. Favre is a tool. Plain and simple. Great player, yes. Total stroke, yes.

Sep 3, 2009 2:48 am

First of all I didn't know people used the word "tool" still when not referring to something in their garage.

What makes him a tool? Aren't you the same guy who hates ESPN? Just stop watching.
Sep 3, 2009 3:41 am

You actually buy into his act ? You think he is just a hard nosed football player who plays for the love of the game ? You don't think he is an egomaniac who has become lazy and greedy ? You don't think he yearns for attention ?

  You probably think Obama will bring "change" also.
Sep 3, 2009 3:49 am

I think if he wanted easy money he would retire, hang low for a year then take that multi million dollar marketing deal that the Packers are still dangling at him. I think he plays because he loves the game, you can tell by the way he plays, it’s like backyard football.

  I have never met a useful politician, but admire their moxy, because everyone is going to end up hating you, kind of like being on a school board.
Sep 3, 2009 4:25 am

[quote=Ron 14]

You actually buy into his act ? You think he is just a hard nosed football player who plays for the love of the game ? You don't think he is an egomaniac who has become lazy and greedy ? You don't think he yearns for attention ?

  You probably think Obama will bring "change" also.[/quote]   Please don't but Favre and Obama in the same sentence, Obama does not deserve that.  Besides Ron, your from Chicago, I thought you bought into all the dirty Chicago politics.  I don't think Favre is lazy as much as his body is starting to break down a little.  It's not easy getting up everyday to play when you have taken that many hits.  Until last season, Favre was known as a guy who NEVER missed practices, never went to the training room.  To judge his work ethic at 39 years old is not taking in his whole body of work.  Trust me, you can not be the leader he was for the Packers if he had a poor work ethic, those guys get weeded out pretty quick, ask Ryan Leaf.  QB's set the tempo for the entire team and if he was slacking guys would take notice.  That might be a problem in Minn if they get off to a slow start.
Sep 3, 2009 1:37 pm

There are reports that some guys are annoyed already. Just wait until the Vikings are up in the fourth, trying to run out the clock and Favre’s ego takes over and he forces a throw that turns into a pick 6.

  I am from Chicago. I don't buy into the dirty politics, nice assumption though. I would rather have Favre as President.
Sep 3, 2009 1:52 pm

[quote=Ron 14]There are reports that some guys are annoyed already. Just wait until the Vikings are up in the fourth, trying to run out the clock and Favre’s ego takes over and he forces a throw that turns into a pick 6.

  I am from Chicago. I don't buy into the dirty politics, nice assumption though. I would rather have Favre as President. [/quote]     I vote Pac-Man as VP!
Sep 3, 2009 2:33 pm

No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.



I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

Sep 3, 2009 2:48 pm
Squash1:

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it.

  Haha.  Since when has Favre ever willingly taken a sack (Except for the Michael Strahan incident), especially in the preseason!  He's 40 yrs old 13 days removed from mowing his farm and has a cracked rib and he's saying "I don't care if its the preseason and I'm not battling anyone for the starting spot, I can't throw a pick here.  Come and get me Mario Williams!"
Sep 3, 2009 3:20 pm
Squash1:

No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  If you read other posts I said until the last 3 years I had a ton of respect for Favre and so do many Bears fans. He has beat our a$$ for years, but he was a great player and defined his position.   If you read other posts I also ripped Urlacher, arguing against someone who claimed he is a sure fire HOFamer. Urlacher is brutally overrated and has been for a long time.   Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.   You are a Tennessee Titan fan, but you are ripping on the Chicago Bears, lol! How is that Steve McNair jersey working for you !!!???
Sep 3, 2009 3:48 pm
Ron 14:

[quote=Squash1]No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  If you read other posts I said until the last 3 years I had a ton of respect for Favre and so do many Bears fans. He has beat our a$$ for years, but he was a great player and defined his position.   If you read other posts I also ripped Urlacher, arguing against someone who claimed he is a sure fire HOFamer. Urlacher is brutally overrated and has been for a long time.   Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.   You are a Tennessee Titan fan, but you are ripping on the Chicago Bears, lol! How is that Steve McNair jersey working for you !!!???[/quote]  
Sep 3, 2009 4:26 pm
Ron 14:

[quote=Squash1]No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.[/quote]   Don't forget the other 3 blow-ups this decade:   [quote=3rdyrp2]Favre hasn't sniffed a title in 13 years, and in recent history has been the key reason why they haven't sniffed a title (OT interception in '03 vs. Eagles in playoff loss, OT interception in '07 vs. Giants in NFC title game loss, 4 INT's vs. Vikings in '04 playoff loss, 6 INT's vs Rams in '01 playoff loss, 2 INT's and a lost fumble vs. Falcons in '02 playoff loss).  He was DIRECTLY at fault for all 5 playoff eliminations this decade alone.  [/quote]
Sep 3, 2009 5:03 pm

Thank you. I missed that post. Well done.

3rdyrp2 - Who is your team ?
Sep 3, 2009 5:04 pm

Philly. 

Sep 3, 2009 5:10 pm

They have as good a chance as anyone in the NFC.

Sep 3, 2009 5:38 pm

There hasn’t been a year since '01, except maybe during the T.O. saga in '05, when I haven’t told myself the same thing in the preseason.  This is the year!!!

Sep 3, 2009 5:57 pm

In the NFL everyone has a chance besides the Raiders and Lions !