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Okay guys, so now we have our own off-topic, non-industry thread in which to talk about the greatest of all musical instruments: the electric guitar.  To pick up (there's a pun) where be left off on the other thread, let's see if we agree on the greats (in no particular order).
Eric Clapton
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Eddie Van Halen
Jimmy Page
Joe Satriani
Steve Vai
Yngwie Malmsteen
Mark Knopfler
Angus Young
Keith Richards
The Edge
B.B King
Buddy Guy
Robert Cray
And just as a toss-in, my favorite electric lead guitar song riffs:
1. Opening to Layla
2. Opening to All Along the Watchtower by Hendrix

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SantanaPete Townshend

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Speaking for the "stoner" bass players, I'll nominate Geddy Lee of Rush.  Some of his stuff was damned near impossible to duplicate when I was serious about playing.  These days, my mid-70's vintage Fender Precision doesn't get much action, though I still think it's a classic guitar, albeit perhaps not on the same level as the McCartney bass.  I put a Badass bridge on it, but kept the original hardware just in case.  Someday I'll probably be glad I did.
While we're at it, I'll nominate Alex Lifeson also from Rush for guitar...those Rush boys were tremendous musicians...the opening to Spirit of Radio is fantastic and sounds very tough to master...the bass line was much easier, but still interesting.
ahhhhh...the memories...

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I can't find the file anymore but I used to have a mp3 that I downloaded from Pete Townshends website that had a John Entwistle bass solo from the last tour before he died, 2002 I think.  Damn It was amazing, with I could find it.

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Let's add Phil Lesh to the list.

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Max Calavera (Sepultura)
Justin Broadrick (Godflesh / Jesu)
Alex Newport (Fudge Tunnel / Nailbomb / Theory of Ruin)
Page Hamilton (Helmet)
Angus Young (AC/DC)
Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath)
Keith Shields (My Bloody Valentine)
Brad Laner (Medicine)
 

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rrbdlawyer wrote:
Mike:
We already got the great Angus Young on the list. Iommi was a good catch.
What about Dave Navarro of Jane's Addiction?

Dave Navarro is a great guitarist, but the cross dressing vampire schtick he has bums me out.

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I totally agree with Bill's list, but would like to add Nile Rodgers, possibly
one of the best scratch guitarists and has played with the majority of the hall
of famers on the list, and of course Sting.

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Gitar!
Frank Zappa! (if you don't know Zappa slings an amazing axe I suggest you go listen)
Did you say?
Jeff Beck
Ernie Isley
Mike Bloomfield
Joe Perry
Trey Anastasio
Gary Hoey
I know I'll draw fire, but I'm just as much in love with Clapton as others are. I've been listening to him since the Yardbirds and there's no doubt he's great, but I like others better and I think he has a certain celebrity wind to his back.
Favorite Bassist
The Ox
Bootsy Collins
All this having been said, picking bests is a really old idea that never works.
Joe Satriani and Yngway and Al di Meola... They play the hell outta the gi'tar but they don't seem to have direction.

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Tom Scholz (Boston)
Mick Abrahams (Tull)
Well, in fact, each member deserves "Bestage" in Jethro Tull (Too bad they were mercilessly overplayed on radio Gaa Gaa).

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Oh and one more thing...
Nobody is more of a Who Fan than I... But... Townshend is nowhere near a "Great Guitarist" in my ear's mind.
He has more of the most famous lick of absolutely anybody, and he was inventive as a son of a gun, and he influenced tons of guitarists, but most of what made the Who, WHO was covering up for the fact the Pete wasn't a virtuoso lead guitarist.
As I say, I don't hold this against the guy (although I will admit that I'm a little cheesed off at the guy for his current attitude towards Daltrey) and they are my #1 band, and his solo work too!
Wait!
We left off Johnny Winter too!
How about you make this a top 200?

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Butterfield is still on every music device I own! I don't live a month without some Chicago blues making me more deaf!
I love to listen to the long version of Who's That Lady? by the Isleys.
We white boy rockers were missing some mean guitarring on the mo' side of town!
No list can be started BTW without Chuck Berry!
As to the Allmans  Dickie Betts. Duane Allman's performance on Layla is enough to make me want to puke each time I hear it. He is just completely lost, I can't believe they let that cut get out!
Got big Allman and Dickie Betts fans in this office. One of my guys spent three nights at the peakin at Beacon this year.  

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Whomitmayconcer wrote:Oh and one more thing...
Nobody is more of a Who Fan than I... But... Townshend is nowhere near a "Great Guitarist" in my ear's mind.I do agree with you if you just listen to The Who records, but when I last saw them live in 2004 Pete tore it up!!

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Didja ever hear an album called "Super Session"?

Mike Bloomfield, Al Cooper and Stephen Stills. "It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It
Takes A Train To Cry".

Yowza!

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Let me know when the category veers towards jazz influenced players.I'll start with Pat Metheny.

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Whomitmayconcer wrote:Gitar!
Frank Zappa! (if you don't know Zappa slings an amazing axe I suggest you go listen)I couldn't agree more!Joe Satriani and Yngway and Al di Meola... They play the hell outta the gi'tar but they don't seem to have direction.Also true!Has anyone nominated:Robert Frippor the true all time best....  Stevie Ray Vaughn

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I nominate Chuck "Bear"y:
http://www.last.fm/music/Chuck+Berry/_/Johnny+B.+Goode
FD: I haven't been a stoner for a long time (at least 2 decades). The onLEH kind of POT I smoke these days trades on the NYSE and the TSX.
 
 

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Jerry Garcia

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what about george harrison, don felder, joe walsh. i am a big beatles and eagles fan

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little bit country little bit rock-n-roll
led zeplin
http://www.misterguitar.com/  chet atkins
johnny cash    roy clark
 
 

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I hear that this guy Sanjayah is capital t capital b The Bomb!
Make a record and release in it India, you'll be wealthy beyond your rajah dreams! 
OH!
Back to the list: Leslie West!
If we're going to do a "Best" debate, I'll throw all my weight behind Jeff Beck.
The guy is like 62 years old and if you heard his last album "Jeff" you know this guy can still blow most others off the stage! (having said this, I have to admit that I really don't know how much of his appeal to me is a result of having been cleaned up in the studio. His "Live at BB King's" is one of those discs that I stuck in a draw and haven't taken back out it just so muddled.
This allows me to comment on the Pete Townshend live issue. I agree Maxstud, the guy tears up the stage when he's on it. (I stopped going to live Who shows after Quadrophenia, and he mainly played acoustic and had Simon and some other guy filling in the Townshend stuff as he tried to protect what little hearing he has left.)
If you never saw the 9/11 concert, I'd recommend it highly! dozens of acts and The Bleedy 'OO owned that concert!
Point is though that Townshend does it with the power chords. The guitar ending of "Cry If You Want" is running through my mind as I write this. It rocks, but it doesn't shred. Again, Moonie and Ox did most of the shredding for this band.
The Power chord hit me in a different spot on the soul than lead. When Jimi opens up on Izabella for example it "flicks my bean" so to speak but power chords are more like a violent mosh pit sort of experience. Power chords are why I'm also a Clash fan.
I always have to laugh when I hear Ramoneacks whine "They invented punk rock, why didn't they ever get as popular as the Clash?" Well, maybe because it took more than just banging on instruments to be interesting (after the first song, and half way though the second by which time you realize it sounds exactly like the first one.) 

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Well, I'll use that as a pivot point to twist the conversation towards listening modes (it sort of brings us close to on topic).
I can't see how the satellite radio companies can survive. You mention a band that I ought to listen to, I flick to Rhapsody, I'm listening to that song!
I was going there to pop on some Kinks, got sidelined into Starka's Super Session trai to cry and then hit Work Song on a Bloomfield album.
I would be hard pressed to say which I like better, the guitar in East West or the guitar in Work Song (both on the EastWest album). East West is ridiculously good! But Work song is too and it has "more" soul.
There are days I feel guilty for still listening to these guys 40+ years after I first started to... But I've heard damn few who surpass some of that music.
After this, Kinks.

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I won't give iPod that much credit.
The credit goes to the mpeg guys and the guys at Real.com.
These guys (using my money) kept trying and trying to bring this baby to life. Idiot geeks like me who bough Sprak drives and zip drives and bought the MPeg programs to rip our albums to digital.
Then came Rio. The Rio Volt was the best player for guys who burned their own mp3 sized files to a cd (I still have the first ones I burnt, what's cool is that they play on my "cd changer" car stereo, so my "6 disc" changer has the equivalent of almost 120 albums in it.
While I'm album oriented, I use the "rental agreement" model of Rhapsody for my mp3 players. I have the clunky 5 gig h10 and the girls each have a couple of gigs each on their mp3 players. Everybody's music is 14.95 a month. They have hundreds of songs and they can change them when ever to what ever. Me?  I was flipping around and found this guy "Lil Ed and the Blues Imperials" and so I took on two of his albums. He mean good, wicked good! It cost's me no more to have him or to toss him if it turned out he stank! With a Fm transmitter from Marshalls for $20, I put the mp3 on random and play the mp3 player over the car stereo.
Ipod popularized the process, that's for sure. But it's like Xerox all over again.
I think the artist is comped based on the number of people who listen to the songs, sort of like radio royalties, 2 cents per person per song?  

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Prince
Ian Moore
Eric Johnson
Frank Marino
Brian May
Ted Nugent

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Got Jimi's "Blues" album on (low volume).
Yeehaa!

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Coming in late:
Alvin Lee  Going Home 
Johnny Winter (ok more blues than rock)
Gary Moore   Still Got The Blues For You,  incredible guitar playing.
Graham Parker   still rocking today
I still have my Martin D-10 Dreadnought, that my parents bought for me back in the mid 60's.   I know.  I'm old.
My brother also was a professional musician and has his original Fender Stratocaster (dont know the year but I think , amp and of course wah wah pedal, plus a collection of other guitars and an origial Moog Synthesizer. 
 

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It's tough to comprehend that the format we grew up with -- the album -- is essentially dead.
I love the ability to burn my own music CDs and have about 10 gigs of music downloaded from the net and copied from CD's that I have purchased.  From the 1920's to now, country to jazz to blues to rock.  Everything except rap.
Some songs need to be experienced in a complete album setting.  The Eagles Desperado album must be heard in it's complete order.  The songs make up a story.  You miss that when you just hear Tequila Sunrise or the title song out of context.

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Johnny Winter (ok more blues than rock)
I have been thinking about this, and I think that in order for someone to be a "Great Guitarist" they would have to have been a couple of things
1. Consistently better than "good".
2. Must be doing something of his her own.
This is where I think a whole lot of really good craftsmen are separated from the artists.
Robin Trower is as good an example of this as I can think of. Here was a guy who could actually sound like Jimi Hendrix. Yet he never achieved sustained success. I thought at the time that I really didn't care about Trower, and I wondered why. The answer, I thought was that something was missing (it may be that I just felt as though I were betraying my Jimi fandom by "cheating" with RT).
I think the greats though built on what came before, or shattered what was there. Like the guy who did "Surfer Music" Guitar. It wasn't the greatest virtuoso playing but it struck a nerve.
There are plenty of guys who play what has been done, even if they can do it better, they're still just good, or maybe even really good, not quite great.
As to RRBD's each to their ownness comment. The line that came to mind "You're living in your own private Idaho!"
I agree with rLAW I have no iea what my children listen to, I look at their mp3 players and I watch what they down load from Rhapsody, but there isn't the sort of embarassment that I had when Goats Head Soup came out and there I was playing it when on came Star Star in the miidle of a family function.
Or even when Roger screamed "What is it? I'll take it! Who is she? OOOh I'll Rape it!" err... next song...
Meanwhile, once we were in the car and Now That's What I call Music some number was in the cd player. I took it out and threw it out the window! That made an impact! (they don't listen to cds anymore.)  
 
 

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To be sure that I'm clear... I absolutely agree on Johnny Winter!
He fits both criteria IMHO.

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OK Now I'm screwing around on my lunch cruising for rock memories of you tube.  See what you started!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8nyXookP0&mode=related& search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4O_YMLDvvnw&mode=related& search=
Wait for the guitar solo at the end. He can make that guitar cry and sing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBcNOp0EZBc&mode=related& search=
For God's sake put on a shirt.
Edgar Winter wasn't too bad either in his own way.
Beck and Clapton
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ZBeerUD-zc&mode=related& search=
Here....waste your lunch hour like I did.  Loving this thread.

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I knew I knew that song, From Secret Policeman's Ball (or Other Ball)
Thanks for the lynx!
Do you know? Is there a way to download those to my mp3 player (actually my daughter's have the video capabilities, but I do have those micro sds (which just blow my mind. Walmart had 2 gig micro sds for like $50, it'll be days before all your DVD's are quaint collectables and you'll just slip a micro sd into the TV to watch a movie in HD) so I can store my vids and watch when she's not looking!)
I have Jeff Live with BBKing on the DVR. Jeff keeps goading BB into a guitar duel, BB is "No way man, I don't want none of that!!"

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Whomitmayconcer wrote:
I knew I knew that song, From Secret Policeman's Ball (or Other Ball)
Thanks for the lynx!
Do you know? Is there a way to download those to my mp3 player (actually my daughter's have the video capabilities, but I do have those micro sds (which just blow my mind. Walmart had 2 gig micro sds for like $50, it'll be days before all your DVD's are quaint collectables and you'll just slip a micro sd into the TV to watch a movie in HD) so I can store my vids and watch when she's not looking!)
I have Jeff Live with BBKing on the DVR. Jeff keeps goading BB into a guitar duel, BB is "No way man, I don't want none of that!!"

you may want to google "you tube grabber" or something like that. i haven't used it very much, but it's a little program that can "grab" clips from youtube.

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Thanks for the hint, I'll look at it.!
 

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What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?
That's Steinberger right?
 
 

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Whomitmayconcer wrote:
What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?
That's Steinberger right?
 
 

I hate them. My main guitars are a '52 Reissue Telecaster and a Martin HD-28. I bought the Martin brand new in '95 and it's been fun watching the wood change color. The tone is much richer than it used to be. I have a few others that I don't play too much. I still have my first axe - a 1981 Peavey T-60 that sounds/plays so sweet.

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Bobby Hull wrote:
I hate them. My main guitars are a '52 Reissue Telecaster and a Martin HD-28. I bought the Martin brand new in '95 and it's been fun watching the wood change color. The tone is much richer than it used to be. I have a few others that I don't play too much. I still have my first axe - a 1981 Peavey T-60 that sounds/plays so sweet.

I have a D-18 I bought new in '93 and have enjoyed watching/hearing the changes you mention.  Not the punch of the 28's, but great tone.  My main player is a Gallagher G-70  (it has got the punch!).  No electics here, just acoustics!

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Whomitmayconcer wrote:
What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?
That's Steinberger right?

I don't like them esthetically, but I suppose it would depend on what you are used to using.  I love the feel of my Martin D-10 and am used to the heft, shape and overall experience.  When I switch to my older Gibson or classical gut string piece of crap it just doesn't feel right.  Kind of like having sex with a stranger.  Oh wait....maybe that wasn't the best analogy
But then, I mostly play acoustical instruments. It probably is different for electric.  There is an interesting story about the guitar that Gary Moore uses and how the sound from the pickups is  distinctive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Moore
 
(was Babbling Looney.   If I ever recover my password I'll post back there....but a rose by any other name and all that stuff.)

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rrbdlawyer wrote:Okay guys, so now we have our own off-topic, non-industry thread in which to talk about the greatest of all musical instruments: the electric guitar.  To pick up (there's a pun) where be left off on the other thread, let's see if we agree on the greats (in no particular order).Since it appears the markets have dodged a bullet, I submit: How about Slash, Gene Simmons and Peter Frampton?

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skeedaddy2 wrote: rrbdlawyer wrote:
Okay guys, so now we have our own off-topic, non-industry thread in which to talk about the greatest of all musical instruments: the electric guitar.  To pick up (there's a pun) where be left off on the other thread, let's see if we agree on the greats (in no particular order).
Since it appears the markets have dodged a bullet, I submit: How about Slash, Gene Simmons and Peter Frampton?
Slash doesn't get credit for as good as he it. Frampton rocks. Gene Simmons plays bass. Anyone can play bass.

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damn! I was going to throw Slash up there but I thought you would flame me.  Going to see VR this month -

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Regarding KISS... What do you get when you take away the make up, fake blood and pyrotechnics?  A sub par rock band.

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Mike Damone wrote:Regarding KISS... What do you get when you take away the make up, fake blood and pyrotechnics?  A sub par rock band.
A bunch of ugly Jewish guys.

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Mike Damone wrote:Regarding KISS... What do you get when you take away the make up, fake blood and pyrotechnics?  A sub par rock band.You get a self made marketing machine.  For Gene it's all about the money.

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Kiss sux.  Tom Morello?

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drewski803 wrote:Kiss sux.  Tom Morello?
There is nothing cool about making your guitar sound like a casio keyboard.

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Why collect guitars if you don't play?
Are they collector items?

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Yes, guitars can be collectors items, but I doubt if anyone posting here about their guitar(s) purchased them as an investment.  I once played enough to have a nice set of callouses, but alas...my guitar sits in a case in the closet gathering dust, but perhaps appreciating...

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...and I liked KISS (where's the lightning bolt font on here?!!)...still do...they were kings of the nighttime world...and they understood marketing very, very well...

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Bobby Hull wrote:
Mike Damone wrote:Regarding KISS... What do you get when you take away the make up, fake blood and pyrotechnics?  A sub par rock band.
A bunch of ugly Jewish guys.

An anti-jewish statement, pratoman, if I've ever seen one! 
Shalom

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So this weekend I'm listening to the MP3 player (which has stuff on it I don't even know about!) and it's on "Random" and up comes this guitar noise which sounds like somebody using a chainsaw to cut a f 14 Tomcat fighter in half.
I'm saying to myself... I remember this! What the hell is it! Pibroch (Hat in hand) from Songs From The Wood by Jethro Tull! All I can tell you is that the player came off random and I've been playing the bejesus out of that song ever since!
Songs From the Wood was IIRC a pretty roundly despised album and it did seem more than a little tame in the face of Stadium Rock that was all the roll in 1977 when SFTW was released. But I can still semi-remember the long haired version of me cruising around with the power chord opening of the song blaring at full distortion!(I got the ringing in the ears to prove it too!)
Recently I've found a whole lotta new Stevie Ray (well, new to me).
A nephew told me also about www.archive.org which has a huge collection of free music and more. If you've never seen it it's worth the long strangetrip especially if you are a Grateful Dead fan!

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I guess I have to say that, pretty much, yes. I've been aware of SRV and had bits and pieces of his work (I wll also say that the video for Little Wing is just about the finest in my mind) I aways kind of thought of him as George Throughgood type of good (GT is another guy that I'm peripherially familiar with, I will say though that his One Bourbon, One Scotch One Beer is the foundation of probably 25% of all male to male conversation among whites of a certain age "I don belee you lookin for no job! I saw you las friday you was leanin up against a post!" "But I'ws TIred!") But that don b'front me!
SRV speaks to what I was saying about Robin Trower. He's good, he sounds like Hendrix (Trower) but there is sumpthin missin'. SRV managed to replace LSD with Blues in Jimi music, so you (as in "me, the non guitar playing listener") don't even get into the "technical" aspect of "who's better and what's impossible for anyone but Jimi to play" and so on.
I won't say that SRV is showing me anything new about him that I didn't know, I'm really enjoying the long jams tho'.
RRB,
Let me ask you these two questions..
1. What guitar player (living) would you most want to play guitar with?
2. If it were simply a matter of money (and assuming you ahd lots of extra of it) would you pay for the experience, and how much?
Same question to other serious players reading.

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