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Jul 23, 2007 8:29 pm

[quote=BondGuy][quote=mikebutler222][quote=Devil'sAdvocate] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[quote=BondGuy]

We can debate endlessly who is responsible for 9/11 however, regardless of who's sitting in the oval office, the next attack is squarely on Bush. I fear that a next is not an if, only a when and where.

[/quote]

Who was responsible for 9/11?  How about Islamic extremists?[/quote]

 

Bondguy doesn't think these guys exist.

[/quote]

Oh, i know that they exist. And I know those who causually follow current events call them islamic extremists. [/quote]

“Casually follow call them Islamic extremists”?  Is there another title that fits them and their motivation better?

[quote=BondGuy]

First over their own people and then over the rest of us. That you keep insisting on making this a religious war is where we disagree. For the leaders of Al-Qaeda, Islam is nothing more than a tool to spread hate, maintain control, and excite the masses to take action.[/quote]

Just who are you, exactly, to tell us and the Jihadies that they’re not motivated by their twisted view of the Islamic religion? Of course they want power, what you refuse to understand, and beyond all reason, is what it is they want to do with that power. I suppose if you can ignore their religious agenda, then you can pretend they’re like every other challenge we’ve ever faced as a nation, you can underestimate the danger they present, and you can pretend that if only the right politician is elected (your guy, of course) we’ll all be able to reach some middle ground, hold hands and sing Kumbya together…

[quote=BondGuy] Unfortunately for all of us, the same crew that brought us the bungled Katrina……. [/quote]

Ohhhh, that’s why. Because if it’s not really about the Jihadi’s religious motivation, then it’s about Bush….

Perhaps you missed the fact that the Jihadi’s don’t give a rat’s ass about you and your hyper-partisan politics. They attacked us under Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II. They couldn’t care less about the intramural squabbles in US politics.

Jul 23, 2007 8:31 pm

[quote=Mandoman][quote=mikebutler222]

Yeah, that's it, I'm a Jihadi, and I've spent the last 15 years going deep cover in the securities industry. However, after all that work to dig myself in, I just can't help but post on an internet website about the plans.

OK, back from the Twilight Zone. I suggest you take a moment of two to actually read what the Jihadies themselves say their agenda's about. It has nothing to do with your issues with US foreign policy.

[/quote]

Okay, while I'm reading about you, why don't you go back to my previous response and answer my questions?  Thanks.

[/quote]

About "me"? You're still pretending I'm a Jihadi and not someone who, unlike you, actually knows something about what motivates them?

Jul 23, 2007 8:35 pm

[quote=BondGuy]

Unfortunately for all of us, the same crew that brought us the bungled Katrina clean up

[/quote]

What does the Mayor of New Orleans have to do with the War in Iraq?

Jul 23, 2007 8:57 pm

[quote=BondGuy]

Unfortunately for all of us, the same crew that brought us the bungled Katrina clean up ....[/quote]

Devil's advocate is right about this. Mayor  Nagen and Gov. Blanco have nothing to do with this.

[quote=BondGuy]...and mission accomplished on board the USS Abraham Lincoln ....[/quote]

Neither does the crew of the Lincoln, whose mission was in fact accomplished. Bush, you may have noticed, said it wasn't over in Iraq and that a great deal of work remainded there.

[quote=BondGuy]...are the same people charged with protecting us from future attacks. [/quote]

Yep, six years, no attacks in the US, no embassies leveled elsewhere...you were saying?

[quote=BondGuy]...They've provided terrorist worldwide with a first class training ground ..[/quote]

What Al Qaeda's learning to do in Iraq is die. How to die and how to get the local population to join with US and Iraqi government forces to drive them out. See Al Anbar province for details.

[quote=BondGuy]...while the terrorist head remain at large operating openly and free..[/quote]

"Openly and free"? Is that why we haven't seen UBL in three years? Is that why Zawahiri is living in a cave in a remote part of Pakistan and smuggling out videos? Care to compare this to the days when Clinton handled Al Qaeda, according to you, "correctly"?

 [quote=BondGuy]...I work in a high rise tower in a downtown office canyon of a major city that has bullseye written all over it. Yeah, I feel safe.

[/quote]

How safe did you feel after the WTC attack in 1993 when Clinton downplayed the importance and didn't respond militarily?

Jul 23, 2007 8:58 pm

[quote=mikebutler222]

About "me"? You're still pretending I'm a Jihadi and not someone who, unlike you, actually knows something about what motivates them?

[/quote]

YOU asked me a question and when I answered it, YOU told me that the Jihadis don't care what I think.  Since YOU answered my response by telling me what the Jihadis think, I could only presume that YOU are the Jihadis.  YOU were not speaking for them?  My misunderstanding.

Of course, YOU know what motivates them.  Perhaps you should take your confidence to Mr. Bush and provide some insight of these people.  We, as a nation/government, can't seem to figure them out and I am sure your assistance would be appreciated.

I didn't think you could answer my questions, since they probably aren't on whatever 'speaking points' list you are using.

When you have served our country, come back and then we all can talk about patriotism a bit.

Jul 23, 2007 9:03 pm

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=BondGuy]

Unfortunately for all of us, the same crew that brought us the bungled Katrina clean up

[/quote]

What does the Mayor of New Orleans have to do with the War in Iraq?

[/quote]

Louisiana 74           Albany Persing, Charles C. "C.C." Private 1st Class 19-Jul-2004   Avondale Cothran, Derrick J. Lance Corporal 15-Apr-2006   Batchelor Ramsey, Christopher J. Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Baton Rouge Kirk, Jeffrey L. Sergeant 12-Dec-2004   Baton Rouge McCurdy, Ryan S. Lance Corporal 05-Jan-2006   Baton Rouge Heltzel, Paul M. Sergeant 15-Mar-2005   Baton Rouge Barnett, Christopher W. 1st Lieutenant 23-Dec-2004   Bogalusa Stewart, David S. Corporal 03-Aug-2005   Bossier City Nelson, Craig L. Sergeant 29-Dec-2004   Bossier City Sembly, Bernard L. Sergeant 19-May-2005   Bossier City Atkins, Julia V. Sergeant 10-Dec-2005   Bossier City Burrows, Joshua C. Private 26-Nov-2006   Bunkie Lewis, Bryan A. Staff Sergeant 13-Mar-2006   Columbia Dantzler, Torey J. Private 1st Class 22-Jul-2004   Covington McLeese, Justin D. Lance Corporal 13-Nov-2004   Crowley Trahan, Seth R. Sergeant 19-Feb-2005   Crowley Cain, Marcus A. Corporal 14-Sep-2006   Dubach Bowman, Jon Eric Lance Corporal 09-Oct-2006   Felixville/Clinton Murray, David Joseph Sergeant 09-Jun-2005   Ferriday Partridge, Willard Todd Sergeant 20-Aug-2005   Franklinton Villar, Linda J. Civilian 03-Jun-2005   Gonzales Chism, Johnathan Bryan Specialist 20-Jan-2007   Houma Frickey, Armand L. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Houma Babin, Christopher J. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Houma Bergeron, Bradley J. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Jeanerette Ayro, Lionel Private 1st Class 21-Dec-2004   Kaplan Mallet, Toby W. Staff Sergeant 09-Apr-2004   Kinder Manuel, William F. Staff Sergeant 10-Jan-2005   Krotz Springs/Opelousa Reed, Jonathan Ray Staff Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Lafayette Thibodeaux III, Joseph C. Corporal 01-Sep-2004   Lafayette Burridge, David Paul Private 1st Class 06-Sep-2004   Lafayette Teeters, Brandon L. Sergeant 12-May-2006   Lafayette McMillan, Jacob G. Staff Sergeant 20-Dec-2006   Lafayette Graham, Mark W. Private 07-Mar-2007   Lafayette Celestine Jr., Willie P. Corporal 26-Apr-2007   Lake Charles Bellard, Wilfred Davyrussell Private 1st Class 04-Apr-2003   Lake Charles Edwards, Chase A. Private 1st Class 06-Apr-2006   LaPlace Fassbender, Huey P. L. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Mandeville DuSang, Robert L. Specialist 30-Jun-2004   Marrero Murphy, Warren A. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Marrero Evans II, Michael S. Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Metairie Hahn, Peter J. Sergeant 1st Class 24-May-2005   Metairie Vosbein, Matthew J. Sergeant 29-Aug-2006   Morgan City Bordelon, Michael J. 1st Sergeant 10-May-2005   Mount Hermon Wells, Larry L. Lance Corporal 06-Aug-2004   Natchitoches Sinclair, Isiah J. Sergeant 26-Mar-2005   Natchitoches Champlin, Donald E. Lance Corporal 27-Aug-2006   New Orleans Godbolt, Lee M. Sergeant 26-Mar-2005   New Orleans Lambert, James P. Private 1st Class 25-May-2004   New Orleans Williams, Taft V. Sergeant 12-Aug-2003   New Orleans Heines, Jeremy M. Specialist 26-Jun-2004   New Orleans Knox Jr., Rene Sergeant 13-Feb-2005   New Orleans Schelbert, Jens E. Staff Sergeant 01-Oct-2005   New Orleans Dumas Jr., Joseph C. Corporal 17-Oct-2006   Olla Knighten Jr., Floyd G. Sergeant 09-Aug-2003   Opelousas Davis, Craig Staff Sergeant 08-Jan-2004   Opelousas Sebastien, Myles Cody Lance Corporal 20-Dec-2006   Pineville Sweeney III, Robert Wesley Sergeant 10-Jan-2005   Raceland Comeaux, Kurt J. Sergeant 1st Class 06-Jan-2005   Ruston Olivier, Nicholas J. Sergeant 23-Feb-2005   Shreveport Barnhill, Edward C. Command Sergeant Major 14-May-2004   Shreveport Fell, Robin V. Sergeant 19-May-2005   Shreveport Hale, John Edward Lance Corporal 06-Oct-2006   Shreverport Jones, Gussie M. Captain 07-Mar-2004   Sibley Madden, Joshua B. Sergeant 06-Dec-2006   St. Tammany Hayes III, William S. Specialist 05-Feb-2006   Thibodaux Gauthreaux, Jay R. Sergeant 04-Dec-2006   Thibodaux Sanders, Ronnie L. Staff Sergeant 03-Feb-2007   Tickfaw Kinchen, Levi B. Specialist 09-Aug-2003   West Monroe Powell, Chad W. Corporal 23-Jun-2005   West Monroe Barnes, Matthew Ron Lance Corporal 14-Feb-2006   West Monroe Deal, Lee Hamilton Petty Officer 3rd Class 17-May-2006   Winnsboro Wallace, Terry O.P. Sergeant 1st Class 27-Jun-2006   Zachary Crouch, William J. Specialist 02-Jun-2007
Jul 23, 2007 9:04 pm

Listen, nobody gets out of this alive.  Whether the guys wearing a turbon or a baseball cap sieways...we're all gonna' die.

Quite worrying/debating it, get on the horn and slam ham: Die rich.

allla achbar!!

Jul 23, 2007 9:08 pm

[quote=Mandoman][quote=mikebutler222] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

About "me"? You're still pretending I'm a Jihadi and not someone who, unlike you, actually knows something about what motivates them?

[/quote]

YOU asked me a question and when I answered it, YOU told me that the Jihadis don't care what I think.  Since YOU answered my response by telling me what the Jihadis think, I could only presume that YOU are the Jihadis.  YOU were not speaking for them?  My misunderstanding. [/quote]

Ditz. I suggest you simply read what the leaders of Al Qaeda have written about what motivates them. It’s no secret. And they don’t care what you think about their motivation. They’re rather clear on the subject.

[quote=Mandoman][Of course, YOU know what motivates them.  Perhaps you should take your confidence to Mr. Bush and provide some insight of these people.  We, as a nation/government, can't seem to figure them out and I am sure your assistance would be appreciated.[/quote]

The only people confused about the aims of the terrorists are the hyper-partisans who are willfully ignorant on the subject. Again, I can only suggest you read bin Laden’s letters to his followers, or Al-Zawahiri’s correspondence to the late head of Al Qaeda in <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Iraq.

[quote=Mandoman]I didn't think you could answer my questions, since they probably aren't on whatever 'speaking points' list you are using.[/quote]

Address a question to me and I’ll answer it. Play the cuteis “are you a Jihadi” game and I’ll simply ridicule you.

[quote=Mandoman]When you have served our country, come back and then we all can talk about patriotism a bit.

 

[/quote]

I never mentioned patriotism, but it’s tell how often the Left throws that issue up, as if someone’s slighted them on the subject.

For what it’s worth, I have served my country, been there, done that. Thanks for asking. Oh, and if it means anything else to you, I had a nephew lose his life in Al-Anbar province last year. Not that his sacrifice of my military service are meant to be clubs that I intend to beat you with. I simply mention them both because you asked.

Jul 23, 2007 9:10 pm

[quote=Mandoman][quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=BondGuy]

Unfortunately for all of us, the same crew that brought us the bungled Katrina clean up

[/quote]

What does the Mayor of New Orleans have to do with the War in Iraq?

[/quote]

Louisiana 74           Albany Persing, Charles C. "C.C." Private 1st Class 19-Jul-2004   Avondale Cothran, Derrick J. Lance Corporal 15-Apr-2006   Batchelor Ramsey, Christopher J. Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Baton Rouge Kirk, Jeffrey L. Sergeant 12-Dec-2004   Baton Rouge McCurdy, Ryan S. Lance Corporal 05-Jan-2006   Baton Rouge Heltzel, Paul M. Sergeant 15-Mar-2005   Baton Rouge Barnett, Christopher W. 1st Lieutenant 23-Dec-2004   Bogalusa Stewart, David S. Corporal 03-Aug-2005   Bossier City Nelson, Craig L. Sergeant 29-Dec-2004   Bossier City Sembly, Bernard L. Sergeant 19-May-2005   Bossier City Atkins, Julia V. Sergeant 10-Dec-2005   Bossier City Burrows, Joshua C. Private 26-Nov-2006   Bunkie Lewis, Bryan A. Staff Sergeant 13-Mar-2006   Columbia Dantzler, Torey J. Private 1st Class 22-Jul-2004   Covington McLeese, Justin D. Lance Corporal 13-Nov-2004   Crowley Trahan, Seth R. Sergeant 19-Feb-2005   Crowley Cain, Marcus A. Corporal 14-Sep-2006   Dubach Bowman, Jon Eric Lance Corporal 09-Oct-2006   Felixville/Clinton Murray, David Joseph Sergeant 09-Jun-2005   Ferriday Partridge, Willard Todd Sergeant 20-Aug-2005   Franklinton Villar, Linda J. Civilian 03-Jun-2005   Gonzales Chism, Johnathan Bryan Specialist 20-Jan-2007   Houma Frickey, Armand L. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Houma Babin, Christopher J. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Houma Bergeron, Bradley J. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Jeanerette Ayro, Lionel Private 1st Class 21-Dec-2004   Kaplan Mallet, Toby W. Staff Sergeant 09-Apr-2004   Kinder Manuel, William F. Staff Sergeant 10-Jan-2005   Krotz Springs/Opelousa Reed, Jonathan Ray Staff Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Lafayette Thibodeaux III, Joseph C. Corporal 01-Sep-2004   Lafayette Burridge, David Paul Private 1st Class 06-Sep-2004   Lafayette Teeters, Brandon L. Sergeant 12-May-2006   Lafayette McMillan, Jacob G. Staff Sergeant 20-Dec-2006   Lafayette Graham, Mark W. Private 07-Mar-2007   Lafayette Celestine Jr., Willie P. Corporal 26-Apr-2007   Lake Charles Bellard, Wilfred Davyrussell Private 1st Class 04-Apr-2003   Lake Charles Edwards, Chase A. Private 1st Class 06-Apr-2006   LaPlace Fassbender, Huey P. L. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Mandeville DuSang, Robert L. Specialist 30-Jun-2004   Marrero Murphy, Warren A. Sergeant 06-Jan-2005   Marrero Evans II, Michael S. Sergeant 28-Jan-2005   Metairie Hahn, Peter J. Sergeant 1st Class 24-May-2005   Metairie Vosbein, Matthew J. Sergeant 29-Aug-2006   Morgan City Bordelon, Michael J. 1st Sergeant 10-May-2005   Mount Hermon Wells, Larry L. Lance Corporal 06-Aug-2004   Natchitoches Sinclair, Isiah J. Sergeant 26-Mar-2005   Natchitoches Champlin, Donald E. Lance Corporal 27-Aug-2006   New Orleans Godbolt, Lee M. Sergeant 26-Mar-2005   New Orleans Lambert, James P. Private 1st Class 25-May-2004   New Orleans Williams, Taft V. Sergeant 12-Aug-2003   New Orleans Heines, Jeremy M. Specialist 26-Jun-2004   New Orleans Knox Jr., Rene Sergeant 13-Feb-2005   New Orleans Schelbert, Jens E. Staff Sergeant 01-Oct-2005   New Orleans Dumas Jr., Joseph C. Corporal 17-Oct-2006   Olla Knighten Jr., Floyd G. Sergeant 09-Aug-2003   Opelousas Davis, Craig Staff Sergeant 08-Jan-2004   Opelousas Sebastien, Myles Cody Lance Corporal 20-Dec-2006   Pineville Sweeney III, Robert Wesley Sergeant 10-Jan-2005   Raceland Comeaux, Kurt J. Sergeant 1st Class 06-Jan-2005   Ruston Olivier, Nicholas J. Sergeant 23-Feb-2005   Shreveport Barnhill, Edward C. Command Sergeant Major 14-May-2004   Shreveport Fell, Robin V. Sergeant 19-May-2005   Shreveport Hale, John Edward Lance Corporal 06-Oct-2006   Shreverport Jones, Gussie M. Captain 07-Mar-2004   Sibley Madden, Joshua B. Sergeant 06-Dec-2006   St. Tammany Hayes III, William S. Specialist 05-Feb-2006   Thibodaux Gauthreaux, Jay R. Sergeant 04-Dec-2006   Thibodaux Sanders, Ronnie L. Staff Sergeant 03-Feb-2007   Tickfaw Kinchen, Levi B. Specialist 09-Aug-2003   West Monroe Powell, Chad W. Corporal 23-Jun-2005   West Monroe Barnes, Matthew Ron Lance Corporal 14-Feb-2006   West Monroe Deal, Lee Hamilton Petty Officer 3rd Class 17-May-2006   Winnsboro Wallace, Terry O.P. Sergeant 1st Class 27-Jun-2006   Zachary Crouch, William J. Specialist 02-Jun-2007

[/quote]

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere. Nice use of the dead, btw.

Jul 23, 2007 9:14 pm

How many people from Louisiana died in World War Two?

How about Viet Nam?

Anybody want to wager that it was more than 74?

STOP WHINING!

Jul 23, 2007 9:36 pm
Mandoman
Groupie



Joined: March 07 2007
Location: United States
Posts: 45 Posted: July 23 2007 at 1:10pm | IP Logged mikebutler222 wrote:

I'm sorry to be the one bringing you the bad news, but the Jihadi's really don't care about your views on US foreign policy, they don't care about diplomacy, they don't care about what you call arrogance. All they care about is their twisted version of Islam, reestablishing it, Islamic government and Shir’a law across the old Caliphate map, and killing non-believers. They’re not just a group of misunderstood “Patriots” who happen to have every view in common with the average NPR listener except the how to change the course of US policies.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />

You don't have to believe me, simply read what they've said themselves. And, if after you're read their words, if it still bothers you to accept the world as it is, please have the courtesy to step aside and let others who don’t shrink back from the grisly nature of our enemy do what needs to be done keep you and the other sheep safe from it.

No offense.

You asked, so I answered.  You asked and Jihadi's don't care what I think.... So, how long have you been a Jihadi?

What does the Natural Products Report (NPR) have to do with any of this????  You Jihadis are very confusing, always diverting attention elsewhere.

Was Sadaam a Jihadi?  I thought he was a cultural nationalist.

Let me be the first to inform you, we are working on kicking your Jihadi ass.  Eventually, you will come to the table.

MikeB,

Your reference of patriots, ie patriotism, is in blue.  My questions you have not answered are in red.

I am sorry for the loss of your nephew and thank you for your service.

Jul 23, 2007 9:38 pm

[quote=mikebutler222]

No one said "blame Islam". We've all been pretty clear that we're talking about Islamic extremists. Those would be the people who believe their religion calls them to establish the dominance of their religion over all others, to kill non-believers and to fly planes into buildings.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote] [/quote]

You call them Islamic extremist yet you don't blame Islam? That's a contradiction.

Why not call it Helter Skelter? Madmen convincing the uneducated and easily led to commit murder through the use of twisted reasoning? Manson used the White Album, bin Laden the Quran, Same thing.

They are extremist who have hijacked Islam for their own twisted purposes. If Catholicism had been the major religion on their section of the planet they would have hijack it. They use the religion only to mislead and control. Manson used the White album to do the same thing.

To make your statement close to true it would have to read  "those people who are misled to believe their religion calls them to establish dominance..."

Jul 23, 2007 9:40 pm

Snipped the tasteless flogging of dead soldiers for your own use to score points in an internet argument.

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere. Nice use of the dead, btw.

This is what really bothers me about these types of arguments and especially those from the leftists.  First, you use the names of dead soldiers, some one's private pain, so you can do gotcha on the internet.  If I were to see my relative or friends name used as a checker on a board so you can get one up in an argument, I would want to hunt you down and kneecap you.

You guys always throw out the "we care about the soldiers" smoke screen, when it is obvious that you don't care about them in the flesh, just the abstract.  If you did, you wouldn't be supporting the people who are trying to kill them (and us) by giving verbal encouragement to continue fighting..... after all....we are just about to run tail and hide.

Same situation goes with calmly discussing pulling out of the Middle East with out any real feeling or actual concern for what is going to happen to the people we are abandoning.   I don't care to rehash all the fine points leading up to where we are now.  That's pointless. 

In trying to score gotcha points on your opponents, you (generic you meaning leftist..nothing personal...yet) ignore the certainty that millions of real living, breathing people with hopes and dreams are going to be slaughtered.   Even Obama is up with genocide as long as it helps him win an election.  This is despicable.

This endless bickering about things in the past, blind refusal to acknowledge the present and future consequences of our actions and obstructionism is going to be the end of our country.  We have a Congress right now that is as usless as tits on a boar ( old family saying)  They are screwing around trying to find an impeachment needle in a haystack and accomplishing nothing.   Well, not exactly nothing, they have earned the contempt of the American People and have the lowest regard EVER for Congress.  You do know what happens when the majority of the people hates their own government don't you?

Jul 23, 2007 9:48 pm

[quote=BondGuy][quote=mikebutler222]

No one said "blame Islam". We've all been pretty clear that we're talking about Islamic extremists. Those would be the people who believe their religion calls them to establish the dominance of their religion over all others, to kill non-believers and to fly planes into buildings.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote]

You call them Islamic extremist yet you don't blame Islam? That's a contradiction. [/quote]

Not in the least. I blame RADICAL Islam. For all I know mainstream Islam doesn't advocate killing non-believers and doesn't favor flying planes into buildings.

Again, your burning desire to play down the fantical religious nature of their motivation makes no sense.

Jul 23, 2007 9:52 pm

[quote=mikebutler222]

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere. Nice use of the dead, btw.

[/quote]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I still have hope that elected officials care about the people they represent.  What does the Mayor of NO have to do with Iraq?  He has lost some of the people he represents there.  He represents the families of those who have been lost there.

If we don't recognize the sacrifices made, then they have died in vain.  This is a hero list of those from Louisiana who died defending your right to be free.  I should have reduced it down to the New Orleans heroes in response to your question.

Jul 23, 2007 9:55 pm

[quote=Mandoman]

Mandoman
Groupie



Joined: March 07 2007
Location: United States
Posts: 45 Posted: July 23 2007 at 1:10pm | IP Logged mikebutler222 wrote:

I'm sorry to be the one bringing you the bad news, but the Jihadi's really don't care about your views on US foreign policy, they don't care about diplomacy, they don't care about what you call arrogance. All they care about is their twisted version of Islam, reestablishing it, Islamic government and Shir’a law across the old Caliphate map, and killing non-believers. They’re not just a group of misunderstood “Patriots”

I use the word patriots here not to slight you, but to use the term people like Micheal Moore use to describe Jihadis.

who happen to have every view in common with the average NPR listener except the how to change the course of US policies.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />

You don't have to believe me, simply read what they've said themselves. And, if after you're read their words, if it still bothers you to accept the world as it is, please have the courtesy to step aside and let others who don’t shrink back from the grisly nature of our enemy do what needs to be done keep you and the other sheep safe from it.

No offense.

You asked, so I answered.  You asked and Jihadi's don't care what I think.... So, how long have you been a Jihadi?

What does the Natural Products Report (NPR) have to do with any of this???? 

I thought you were kidding on this one. NPR refers to National Public Radio. Again, I was referring to the Western framework so many of the Left try to apply to terrorists to make sense of their agenda. They refuse to see it for what it is, regilous fanticism, and want to see it as the usual laundry list of complaints they've harbored about US foreign policy forever. IOW, the Jihadies only differ from the stereotypical NPR listener in that the listeners wouldn't use violence to change US policy.

You Jihadis are very confusing, always diverting attention elsewhere.

Was Sadaam a Jihadi?  I thought he was a cultural nationalist.

He was a Baathist. A Pan-Arab nationalist. However, the enemy of his enemy was the US (and Isreal, which is why he funded suicide bombers). That's why, even before the invasion, there were Al Qaeda members and members of other terrorist groups that had killed Americans taking refuge in his tightly controlled nation. Know where the people behind the first WTC bombing in 1993 ran to? Iraq.

Let me be the first to inform you, we are working on kicking your Jihadi ass.  Eventually, you will come to the table.

MikeB,

Your reference of patriots, ie patriotism, is in blue.  My questions you have not answered are in red.

I am sorry for the loss of your nephew and thank you for your service.

[/quote]

No problem, and thanks.

Jul 23, 2007 9:56 pm

You call them Islamic extremist yet you don't blame Islam?

Well then, I blame Islam just as I blame the Catholic Church for the Inquisition and the Protestants in Salem for burning witches.   When a religion goes off the rails and the members of the religion don't stop or protest the actions of their religion, they are just as much to blame.   

If Muslims want to be distanced from the extremists and bring their religion back to a more sane and humane form they need to get off their butts and do something.  The fact that they don't tells me that they agree with what is being done in the name of their religion and that they consider jihad a part of their religion

So, yes. I blame Islam as a religion and all of the participants until they show some action that proves otherwise.

Jul 23, 2007 9:58 pm

Are you stupid because you're a leftist, or are you a leftist because you're stupid?

The reason Mayor Nagin came up was because one of you dimbulbs tried to link the Hurricane Katrina fiasco with the War in Iraq.

Those of us who think know that what happened in New Orleans is the fault of the Mayor and the Governor--that the Federal government had no responsibility for what happened because dealing with storms is a state and local issue.

As it should be.

Jul 23, 2007 9:59 pm

[quote=Mandoman][quote=mikebutler222]

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere. Nice use of the dead, btw.

[/quote]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I still have hope that elected officials care about the people they represent. 

[/quote]

You have to be kidding. Devil's Advocate counter's Bondguy's cheap shot about botched Katrina by mentioning the man most resposible for making New Orlean's agony the nightmare that is was, the mayor who left school buses to flounder and sent poor people to the Superdome instead, and you chime in with a list of dead troops from Lousiana like it says something about Nagin?

Jul 23, 2007 10:02 pm

[quote=Dust Bunny]

So, yes. I blame Islam as a religion and all of the participants until they show some action that proves otherwise.

[/quote]

A huge percentage of Muslims believe that killing Americans is a worthy goal of Islam.

Yet in cities all over the country Mosques are being built to spread their particular brand of hatred.

This country is extremely screwed up.