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I can't look away!  I have been watching this stuff for days.....  I can't believe something like this happened in this country.....
We need To pray for these people!
 

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I wish Put Trader was here.  I'm sure he'd have some kind things
to say about all those dark-skinned looters in New Ohrleahns.

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inquisitive
Thats uncalled for. I do not think any of this is a laughing matter!
 

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indytwo,
Unfortunately you haven't been here long enough to understand the mentality of certain folks on this forum.
The good thing is that they tend to reveal themselves (as you can see).

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menotellname
 I guess you will find ignorance no matter where you are! 

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menotellname wrote:indytwo,
Unfortunately you haven't been here long enough to understand the mentality of certain folks on this forum.
The good thing is that they tend to reveal themselves (as you can see).

Hey, who's down in New Ohrleahns shooting at rescue helicopters?

They are shooting at the people coming to help them. 

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Not only are they shooting at rescue helicopters, they're shooting at hospital workers!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/index .html

New Orleans' Charity Hospital halted efforts to evacuate its patients
after it came under sniper fire, according to Dr. Tyler Curiel, who
witnessed the incidents.

"We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and
a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The
National Guard (troops), wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on
this guy. "
The incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m.
ET). About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of
Charity Hospital.

Evacuations by boat were halted after armed looters threatened medics, and overturned one of their boats.

The sniper attacks were the latest incidents of violence that have disrupted efforts to help people in the flooded city.

I guess every few minutes you can hear gunfire in New Orleans.  And in Mississippi?  The same thing!

I'm sure Put would have some choice, and hillarious, things to say about this!

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inquisitive wrote: menotellname wrote:
indytwo,
Unfortunately you haven't been here long enough to understand the mentality of certain folks on this forum.
The good thing is that they tend to reveal themselves (as you can see).
Hey, who's down in New Ohrleahns shooting at rescue helicopters?They are shooting at the people coming to help them. 
I am sure that you know all of the names and races of those that are shooting...right?
Or at least you THINK you do...

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inquisitive wrote:Not only are they shooting at rescue helicopters, they're shooting at hospital workers!http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/index .htmlNew Orleans' Charity Hospital halted efforts to evacuate its patients after it came under sniper fire, according to Dr. Tyler Curiel, who witnessed the incidents.
"We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The National Guard (troops), wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on this guy. "
The incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET). About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of Charity Hospital.
Evacuations by boat were halted after armed looters threatened medics, and overturned one of their boats.
The sniper attacks were the latest incidents of violence that have disrupted efforts to help people in the flooded city.

I guess every few minutes you can hear gunfire in New Orleans.  And in Mississippi?  The same thing!
I'm sure Put would have some choice, and hillarious, things to say about this!

Yeah...Put was loved, admired, and respected for his intelligence and sense of humor.  Just like you.

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inquisitive
 Wow! Your are a real stand up guy laughing at this situation! 

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You know, many of these people did'nt have a lot,.....and now they have nothing....I saw one woman on the news carrying her infant in a car seat, with 2-3 other kids behind her, crossing a bridge - in 100 + degree temp. to hopefuly find......something...better.
Be thankful.

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Inquisitive you have the sensitivity of a rock. Shame on you.

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indytwo wrote:inquisitive
 Wow! Your are a real stand up guy laughing at this situation! 

I'm not laughing at the situation.  A horrible tragedy.  I
am, however, laughing at the idiocy and stupidity of the utter morons
who are sabotaging the relief efforts to help them!

They're shooting at the rescuers!

Come on--if you were a member of the National Guard or a private
citizen, would you want to be shot at?  Would you want to be
randomly attacked for NO REASON?

This looks just like Africa.  Just like it. 

My goodness, some of those women have 4 or 5 babies. 

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moneyadvisor wrote:You know, many of these people did'nt have a lot,

They didn't have a lot because they were welfare parasites.  They didn't work!

Being an average, middle-class american is NOT difficult.

moneyadvisor wrote:
.....and now they have nothing....I saw one woman on the news carrying
her infant in a car seat, with 2-3 other kids behind her, crossing a
bridge - in 100 + degree temp. to hopefuly
find......something...better.

Be thankful.

I'm thankful all right.

Maybe those lazy welfare bastards should get jobs and maybe save some money for a car so they can get out of town next time.

Why would they build a city on a swamp below sea level anyway?

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inquisitive wrote: indytwo wrote:
inquisitive
 Wow! Your are a real stand up guy laughing at this situation! 
I'm not laughing at the situation.  A horrible tragedy.  I am, however, laughing at the idiocy and stupidity of the utter morons who are sabotaging the relief efforts to help them!They're shooting at the rescuers!Come on--if you were a member of the National Guard or a private citizen, would you want to be shot at?  Would you want to be randomly attacked for NO REASON?This looks just like Africa.  Just like it.  My goodness, some of those women have 4 or 5 babies. 
 
Unfortunately you are too ignorant to understand the context of the shots.  Most of the shots fired are done to get the attention of the rescuers that routinely bypass those in need...not to harm them.  Kind of like warning shots...only these are signal shots.
You are the type of dumbass that wouldn't understand the purpose of wildfire firefighters setting a back fire.
Perhaps you should think a little bit more before you post.  How about a 24 hour delay before you post something that comes into your teeny little head.

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cend wrote:Inquisitive you have the sensitivity of a rock. Shame on you.
 
More correctly...he has the mentality of a common house plant.

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Regardless of the color of your skin, it doesn't get much lower in the evolutionary chain than looting TV sets out of stores when the owner's been chased away by the worst natural disaster ever to hit your town...and frankly, I believe there are plenty of scum actually sabotaging rescue efforts in the hurricane region.  Shame on those idiots...they don't deserve your defense.  I'm all for helping those who are truly in need, but I have no sympathy for those who are obviously taking advantage of the situation.  I'm also having a hard time finding a plausible defense for those shooting at and harrassing rescuers.
Obviously we should feel for those who are suffering as a result of this tragedy, but it's becoming more apparent that there are criminals and thugs taking advantage of the situation and doing what comes naturally.  For those folks, it's just a shame they weren't the ones swept away.

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He is not put.  I am put.

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inquisitive
I agree that those who are causing the problem are 100% thugs! They should be caught and hung in my eyes.  My point is that you shouldnt bring color into this.  If this would have happend in a poor white area do you really think the results wouldnt be the same! 
I also dont understand why you think this is funny.  There is nothing funny about whats happening there.  People are dieing because of these actions!  Man that is not funny! 
 

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My son finally got a tank of Gas and is on his way home. I have never seen my wife this happy in 26 years.

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Babyfat
 
Glad to hear your son is ok!  Was he in the middle of all this?

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menotellname wrote: 
Unfortunately you are too ignorant to understand the context of the
shots.  Most of the shots fired are done to get the attention of
the rescuers that routinely bypass those in need...not to harm
them.  Kind of like warning shots...only these are signal shots.

Hahahaha.  That's funny.  Snipers taking aim at rescuers to "get their attention".  Hahahaha.

I'll tell you what, menotellname, why don't you go get a gun and try to "get the attention" of some cops by shooting at them.

Hahahaha.

By the way, the looters also tipped over rescue boats.  Do you
get rescuers' attention by dumping them in the contaminated floodwater?

Hahahaha.

menotellname wrote:

You are the type of dumbass that wouldn't understand the purpose of wildfire firefighters setting a back fire.

So all this ethnic crime and violence--which is NO DIFFERENT than what
we see in any ethnic neighborhood on ANY given night--is preventative?

Hahahaha.

menotellname wrote:

Perhaps you should think a little bit more before you post. 
How about a 24 hour delay before you post something that comes into
your teeny little head.
How about you look at the ethnic crime rates in London or Canadian
cities and tell me what you see?  It's no different than what you
see in DC, Detroit, Chicago, or any formerly-great city invaded by a
destructive force that does not belong and is cognitively incapable of
creating such a society for itself.

Here's some reading for you, my friend:

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200407/20040715/tows_slide _20040715_01.jhtml

"People are dying of AIDS in South Africa more than any other country.
The country is now in the midst of a horrifying epidemic—baby rape.
Barely a day goes by that a child under the age of one is sexually
assaulted. Experts say the attacks are fueled by a bizarre belief among
many African men suffering from HIV/AIDS."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1703595.stm

Two men are due
to appear at a court in Johannesburg on Tuesday, accused of raping a
five-month-old girl who was discovered covered in blood and in tears.

Every day the
newspapers bring awful revelations: a nine-month-old girl gang-raped by
six men; an eight-month-old raped and left by the roadside.

Is raping babies a good way to get attention?  Or is that what an intelligent people does?

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Thanks, he's just fine got home last night around 3. He took a much needed bath, had a huge meal and is sleeping in his old bead 
My wife is now determined to offer our other sons room to a Katrina survivor.
 

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inquisitive wrote: menotellname wrote: 
Unfortunately you are too ignorant to understand the context of the shots.  Most of the shots fired are done to get the attention of the rescuers that routinely bypass those in need...not to harm them.  Kind of like warning shots...only these are signal shots.Hahahaha.  That's funny.  Snipers taking aim at rescuers to "get their attention".  Hahahaha.
I'll tell you what, menotellname, why don't you go get a gun and try to "get the attention" of some cops by shooting at them.
Hahahaha.
By the way, the looters also tipped over rescue boats.  Do you get rescuers' attention by dumping them in the contaminated floodwater?Hahahaha.menotellname wrote:
You are the type of dumbass that wouldn't understand the purpose of wildfire firefighters setting a back fire.So all this ethnic crime and violence--which is NO DIFFERENT than what we see in any ethnic neighborhood on ANY given night--is preventative?
Hahahaha.menotellname wrote:
Perhaps you should think a little bit more before you post.  How about a 24 hour delay before you post something that comes into your teeny little head.
How about you look at the ethnic crime rates in London or Canadian cities and tell me what you see?  It's no different than what you see in DC, Detroit, Chicago, or any formerly-great city invaded by a destructive force that does not belong and is cognitively incapable of creating such a society for itself.Here's some reading for you, my friend:http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200407/20040715/tows_slide _20040715_01.jhtml"People are dying of AIDS in South Africa more than any other country. The country is now in the midst of a horrifying epidemic—baby rape. Barely a day goes by that a child under the age of one is sexually assaulted. Experts say the attacks are fueled by a bizarre belief among many African men suffering from HIV/AIDS."http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1703595.stmTwo men are due to appear at a court in Johannesburg on Tuesday, accused of raping a five-month-old girl who was discovered covered in blood and in tears.Every day the newspapers bring awful revelations: a nine-month-old girl gang-raped by six men; an eight-month-old raped and left by the roadside.Is raping babies a good way to get attention?  Or is that what an intelligent people does?
Seems to me that most of the rapists in America are white males.  Especially those that rape 5 month olds.  Check the stats.
I am sure that the posts about Africa mean something to you.  Should I post something about the poor white trash that dominates the welfare payrolls here...
Obviously you have never been in adverse conditions and resorted to extreme measures.  Firing a bullet in the air when a plane is near is no different than firing a flare in the air when a plane is near.  Both are meant as signals but also pose and eminent threat to the plane itself.
By your nature you have proven yourself incapable of meaningful debate.

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Don't spend anymore time trying to educate Inquisitive, it's clearly a just as waste. Sadly, there must be a village looking for him somewhere.   

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babyfat
Thats Awesome!  Very nice gesture to offer up your other sons room!
 
 

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Inquisitive sounds like he's late for a Kaln meeting and the guy claiming the snipers are just firing to attract attention sounds like his meds need to be adjusted. Could it be the battle of competing bigots?
 
 

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Hmmmmm...shooting a helicopter that is hovering in close proximity to you is rather easy...even if you are blind (follow the sounds).
You would think that they could shoot such a target if they were trying to hit it.  If untrained Iraqi's can do it so can untrained US citizens.  Unless...they aren't trying to shoot the choppers at all.

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Are you somehow under the impression that:
a) The pilot of the aircraft didn't know the people were below him and
b) You can actually hear a gunshot while hovering in a helicopter?
Truly, you're more stupid than I even suspected! 

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menotellname wrote:
Seems to me that most of the rapists in America are white males.

Not true at all.  In fact, blacks are 3 times more likely to commit rape than whites and hispanics.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-nforc iblerape04.html

34% of all people arrested for forcible rape are black.  Blacks represent only 12.5% of the population.

menotellname wrote:
  Especially those that rape 5 month olds.  Check the stats.

See above.

menotellname wrote:

I am sure that the posts about Africa mean something to you. 
Should I post something about the poor white trash that dominates the
welfare payrolls here...

Go ahead.  Please do.

And how many of them have rap sheets?

menotellname wrote:

Obviously you have never been in adverse conditions and resorted to extreme measures. 

Extreme measures?  Are you insane?  I can completely
understand looting of food and water.  There is no excuse for
rape, murder, shootings, etc.  No excuse at all.

These aren't extreme measures.  This is how these people behave without a strong police presence to keep them in check.

menotellname wrote:

Firing a bullet in the air when a plane is near is no different than firing a flare in the air when a plane is near. 

Yes, it is much different.  First off, those bullets aren't
tracers--which are hard to see during the day, anyway.  Second, I
wouldn't expect someone to see a muzzle flash if they weren't looking
for one.

Why can't they use flashlights?

I know, I know, you're just making stuff up.  I hope you're a better investment advisor than you are a liar. 

menotellname wrote:

Both are meant as signals but also pose and eminent threat to the plane itself.

I know that you don't actually believe this stuff.

What about the rapes in New Orleans?  Is that to send a signal, too?

menotellname wrote:

By your nature you have proven yourself incapable of meaningful debate.

This coming from a man who makes up ludicrous excuses for socio-pathic behavior.

Ah, perhaps I'm venting.  But this is disgusting.  It
really is.  During a time where everyone should pitch in and help,
we have an entire ethnic group whining and complaining, committing
crime, and trying to murder helpers.

Sickening.

One more thing before I begin my holiday weekend:

It is estimated that 1 out of every 3 black males will serve time in
state or federal prison.  That doesn't include probation or county
jail time.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

Have a nice weekend.

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You have to be either brain-dead or hyper-PC to the point of insanity find a way to excuse snipers shooting at relief workers.

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Gee Sniper (love the name)...which one is it?
First you agree with your friend inquisitve...then you call him names.  Just kiss and make up.

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inquisitive wrote: menotellname wrote:
Seems to me that most of the rapists in America are white males.
Not true at all.  In fact, blacks are 3 times more likely to commit rape than whites and hispanics.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-nforc iblerape04.html
34% of all people arrested for forcible rape are black.  Blacks represent only 12.5% of the population.
menotellname wrote:  Especially those that rape 5 month olds.  Check the stats.See above.menotellname wrote:
I am sure that the posts about Africa mean something to you.  Should I post something about the poor white trash that dominates the welfare payrolls here...Go ahead.  Please do.
And how many of them have rap sheets?menotellname wrote:
Obviously you have never been in adverse conditions and resorted to extreme measures. 
Extreme measures?  Are you insane?  I can completely understand looting of food and water.  There is no excuse for rape, murder, shootings, etc.  No excuse at all.
These aren't extreme measures.  This is how these people behave without a strong police presence to keep them in check.menotellname wrote:
Firing a bullet in the air when a plane is near is no different than firing a flare in the air when a plane is near. 
Yes, it is much different.  First off, those bullets aren't tracers--which are hard to see during the day, anyway.  Second, I wouldn't expect someone to see a muzzle flash if they weren't looking for one.
Why can't they use flashlights?
I know, I know, you're just making stuff up.  I hope you're a better investment advisor than you are a liar.  menotellname wrote:
Both are meant as signals but also pose and eminent threat to the plane itself.I know that you don't actually believe this stuff.
What about the rapes in New Orleans?  Is that to send a signal, too?menotellname wrote:
By your nature you have proven yourself incapable of meaningful debate.
This coming from a man who makes up ludicrous excuses for socio-pathic behavior.
Ah, perhaps I'm venting.  But this is disgusting.  It really is.  During a time where everyone should pitch in and help, we have an entire ethnic group whining and complaining, committing crime, and trying to murder helpers.
Sickening.
One more thing before I begin my holiday weekend:
It is estimated that 1 out of every 3 black males will serve time in state or federal prison.  That doesn't include probation or county jail time.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
Have a nice weekend.

You are using faulty math.  Because a population base makes up 12% of the population and 34% of those arrested for a specific crime DOES NOT make them 3 times more likely to commit the crime.  That just means that they are arrested at 3 times their demographic representation.  THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE 3 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT THE CRIME.  Your less than rudimentary level of mathematics knowledge is astounding.  Further, you still didn't refute that most rapists are white males (as I stated previously).
Most urban welfare recipients are minorities.  However, most welfare recipients are white.  (check the stats)
As far as bullets...tracers are neither here nor there.  The fact of the matter is that it IS NOT hard to shoot a hovering helicopter during the day.  If they were aiming for the helipcopters they would have hit them.
Any questions?

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Are you insane Meno?  How can you make excusses for these animals?  I don't care what colar they are, they are the cockroaches of society.  They blame the world for their problems.  Uneducated?  Whos fault is that?  Theirs.  Poor-whos falt is that.  Theirs. 
I remember about 18 years ago when I owned a business in Chicago.  I ran out of a particular supply and had to make an early morning run to the very worse and most dangerous part of town to do a pick up.  At a stop light I sat keeping my head low and doors locked when a herd of kids crossed the street on the way to school.  They were all complete thugs and gangbangers.  The scariest bunch of kids I ever saw.  Not a one had a book. 
Then behind this group about 50 feet back walked a little asian kid.  All by himself, neatly dressed.  But what stood out most was the giant stack of books he was lugging. He was the only one out of about 20 who had a book.  I often wonder what happend to that little kid.  Here he was in the worst area of Chicago but his parents I am sure realized the value of an education.  I bet today he is a successful professional while the rest of those kids, now adults or more likely inmates, are complaining how society let them down.  THey are representitive of these idiots in New Orleans who are now looting and killing. 
Dredges of society.  I hope the army takes some of them out.  I hear a heavly armed convoy is making its way to the dome.  Hopefully they have been given the go-ahead to shoot when needed.

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Hopefully the next time someone "signals" to a helicopter by shooting at it someone whill "signal" back with a good-ol M16.  That's what is needed.

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Malcolm wrote:Hopefully the next time someone "signals" to a
helicopter by shooting at it someone whill "signal" back with a good-ol
M16.  That's what is needed.

Remember the good old days when you'd challenge someone to a fist fight if you didn't like them?

We weren't cowards like those cowards shooting everything that moves with guns.  We were willing to put ourselves at risk.

...Those were the days...

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Last word:

I want to apologize if I offended anyone.  I didn't mean to. 
I've said everything I can say about this and, quite frankly, seeing
continuing news coverage of the disgusting behavior in New Orleans is
turning my stomach. 

It's unbelievable how cruel and heartless some people can be.

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Gee whiz, inquisitive, why such hatred for our black brothers?  Did your wife leave you for one?  I grew up in the South.  We lost the war, so lose the attitude.  Be cool my brother.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" -Martin Luther King 

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Just got back from a few days off.  Spent much of the time in Reno glued to the news.  Like watching a fascinating train wreck. You know it's coming. You know it is going to be terrible and you still can't stop looking.
About the people who remained in the city.  Many of them are the poorest of the poor who had no way to leave even if they wanted to. I feel for them and the innocent children. The City officials should have made some effort to help them evacuate. Those that refused to evacuate should just STFU.  Unfortunately some of them are also the criminals, slackers and leeches that suck the life out of the rest of society.  I do NOT feel for them. It is welfare mentality that has created this problem.  The idea that you are "owed" by society and that what you are given is not good enough and you demand more.  I am struck dumb by the woman who was whining that she had nothing to eat for days and no water, yet when given a MRE (the same food that our troops in combat eat) threw it away because it wasn't hot and was not tasty enough for her discriminating (welfare) standards.  Come on.  Puuuleeese.  I am supposed to feel sorry for bitches and leeches like that??  I hope she drowns.
As we know in our business, 80% of our revenue is generated by 20% of our book.  I appears to me, in a reverse sense, that the 20% of New Orleans that remained in the city represents the 20% of society that is not generating anything useful and is a basic drag on society.
I know this sounds really cold, but I am a realist.  I compared it to cleaning the refrigerator.   During the cleaning process you have to throw out the scummy vegetables that have hidden in the back of the drawer, the half used jar of salsa that has green slime on top, and remove the apples that have started to go bad while saving the good apples.  When you are done the fridge is clean, organized and healthy.  I am NOT advocating that we as a society purposly clense our "refrigerator" (so to speak).  I am merely observing this seems to be a process that is occuring now in this disaster. And yes, it is cold, but it might be a good thing in the long run.
Flame away

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babbling looney wrote:
Just got back from a few days off.  Spent much of the time in Reno glued to the news.  Like watching a fascinating train wreck. You know it's coming. You know it is going to be terrible and you still can't stop looking.
About the people who remained in the city.  Many of them are the poorest of the poor who had no way to leave even if they wanted to. I feel for them and the innocent children. The City officials should have made some effort to help them evacuate. Those that refused to evacuate should just STFU.  Unfortunately some of them are also the criminals, slackers and leeches that suck the life out of the rest of society.  I do NOT feel for them. It is welfare mentality that has created this problem.  The idea that you are "owed" by society and that what you are given is not good enough and you demand more.  I am struck dumb by the woman who was whining that she had nothing to eat for days and no water, yet when given a MRE (the same food that our troops in combat eat) threw it away because it wasn't hot and was not tasty enough for her discriminating (welfare) standards.  Come on.  Puuuleeese.  I am supposed to feel sorry for bitches and leeches like that??  I hope she drowns.
As we know in our business, 80% of our revenue is generated by 20% of our book.  I appears to me, in a reverse sense, that the 20% of New Orleans that remained in the city represents the 20% of society that is not generating anything useful and is a basic drag on society.
I know this sounds really cold, but I am a realist.  I compared it to cleaning the refrigerator.   During the cleaning process you have to throw out the scummy vegetables that have hidden in the back of the drawer, the half used jar of salsa that has green slime on top, and remove the apples that have started to go bad while saving the good apples.  When you are done the fridge is clean, organized and healthy.  I am NOT advocating that we as a society purposly clense our "refrigerator" (so to speak).  I am merely observing this seems to be a process that is occuring now in this disaster. And yes, it is cold, but it might be a good thing in the long run.
Flame awayWhat you describe sounds like ethnic cleansing or even worse genocide.

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Except it is Mother Nature doing the scrub work.

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Always Amazed at Some people,when Members of Race Are responsible for such Idiotic Behavior,that their Defenders complain about it Being a Race Thing !
As for the GoofBall that thinks Other Races act in Similar fasion ?
if you're Speaking of La Raza in Calif, you May be Right !
If you're Speaking of the Cubans in Miami, you May be Right !
but i Remember Being in the Huricanes of Florida and i Believe,
that We didn't shoot at Our Resuers !  NUFF Said !
Wishing you All the Best:  but Lord Save us From OurSelves !
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Regardless of economic means (or the lack thereof), no one should have remained in the New Orleans area during Katrina. Even accepting the fact that there were people who could not afford to leave is not an excuse. So, how could they have been evacuated?
I would venture to guess that there are several hundred school and church buses in the New Orleans area. Why didn't the responsible officials employ these buses as a way to shuttle people out of harm's way? Why wasn't there a plan incorporating these emergency measures?
 

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Why wasn't there a plan incorporating these emergency measures?
I agree completely.  There should have been a plan in place to move the indigent, poor and those without the means to get out of town. It isn't a surprise that a hurricane can hit New Orleans, or the rest of the Gulf Coast.  It was not a secret that New Orleans is under sea level and protected by inadequate levees. They had plenty of warning  that THIS storm was approaching and was a serious threat.  A lack of any coordinated contingency plan is to blame for the majority of this mess.  I would hope that city governments around the US are taking a lesson from this and begin contingency planning NOW.  I expect that they won't and the next disaster, terrorist attack, pandemic, dirty bomb will catch them with their pants down again.
Never the less, there still would be people who for whatever reason refused to leave.  Those people need to bear the consequences of their own actions.  There is a famous mountain near my location that people will come from around the world to climb.  A stupid passtime in my opinion. But when they get trapped in a snow storm, or break a leg, they expect that other people will put themselves in harms way to rescue their stupid asses. At taxpayer expense I might add. 
The government can only, and should only be responsible for certain things.  People need to take resposibility for their own actions.  I have little sympathy for those who could have escape and didn't.  And as I said before I have great sympathy for those who were helplessly trapped.

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So sad, so many lives affected or lost... must be nice to be able to sit back, criticize, belittle and point fingers from inside one’s nice, dry, cushy home. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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Yes, I'm sitting in my dry cushy home that my hard-earned money purchased.  If I later decide that I don't want to work anymore before I'm done paying for it, odds are, I'll be living in a shelter also.  Leaving color aside, I too, do not have much use for those that whine and complain and wait for a handout when they are capable of making a better life for themselves.
Most of this, in my opinion, is the result of poor role models, or the absence of role models these folks had when they grew up.  Dad slaps mom around, son thinks that's the way it's done.  Dad impregnates mom and then disappears, son grows up thinking that love 'em and leave 'em is normal.  Mom doesn't want to get a job because she'd lose her welfare benefits, guess what her daughter's first though is when it's time to fly the nest?  Right!  Have a baby...get on welfare!  Kids don't study in school because no one at home graduated and no one encourages studying and hard work.
I don't buy the genetics theory at all.  If a young black child has hard-working and successful parentS, they are much more likely to succeed because of their role models.  If dad is in jail and mom is on welfare, it doesn't matter what your color or race is, if you aren't the strong self-motivated type, which most of us are not at that age, you've got a hard road ahead.  That doesn't mean that you don't know right from wrong at a fairly early age, and it doesn't make you commit crimes, but it sure makes it seem more normal.
I too, am disgusted by much of what I see in New Orleans, but I'm not disgusted because most are black...I am disgusted because (1) some are taking advantage of a bad situation and (2) many continue to whine and complain even when their basic needs are met.  Wake up people...it's going to be awhile before the Hilton is back in operation...and if you didn't live there before the hurricane, you ain't gonna live there afterwards either!
The shame of this all is that we are seeing the actions of a decided minority.  Most folks in New Orleans took the simple advice given and left.  Many stayed because they couldn't leave.  These two groups are the true victims.  Some stayed because they decided to stay.  I'll give some sympathy here, particularly those business owners who stayed to try and prevent the looting.  A few stayed because they were looking forward to the inevitable looting and lawlessness opportunity.  For these, I have less than zero sympathy.
That's my soapbox session for the weekend.  I have been donating and will continue to donate cash and goods to the cause.  We need to remember that those we see in front of the camera doing stupid things and acting like ingrates are truly in the minority.  Most victims deserve our help and prayers...

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For charity to be successful and have its positive effects continue to impact the recipient's life, there must be a mutual agreement: The recipient must supply the motivation to improve a given situation and the charity must supply the means to achieve it.
Simply put: If you want me to help you get on your feet, you must first get off your a** 

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Malcolm wrote:
Are you insane Meno?  How can you make excusses for these animals?  I don't care what colar they are, they are the cockroaches of society.  They blame the world for their problems.  Uneducated?  Whos fault is that?  Theirs.  Poor-whos falt is that.  Theirs. 
I remember about 18 years ago when I owned a business in Chicago.  I ran out of a particular supply and had to make an early morning run to the very worse and most dangerous part of town to do a pick up.  At a stop light I sat keeping my head low and doors locked when a herd of kids crossed the street on the way to school.  They were all complete thugs and gangbangers.  The scariest bunch of kids I ever saw.  Not a one had a book. 
Then behind this group about 50 feet back walked a little asian kid.  All by himself, neatly dressed.  But what stood out most was the giant stack of books he was lugging. He was the only one out of about 20 who had a book.  I often wonder what happend to that little kid.  Here he was in the worst area of Chicago but his parents I am sure realized the value of an education.  I bet today he is a successful professional while the rest of those kids, now adults or more likely inmates, are complaining how society let them down.  THey are representitive of these idiots in New Orleans who are now looting and killing. 
Dredges of society.  I hope the army takes some of them out.  I hear a heavly armed convoy is making its way to the dome.  Hopefully they have been given the go-ahead to shoot when needed.

 
No.  I am not insane.  I am a genius.  I think on a much higher level than you or inquisitive could ever possibly comprehend.  Please read this book and educate yourself:  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684818868/qid =1125806987/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0899413-5203957?v=glance &s=books&n=507846

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babbling looney wrote:
Just got back from a few days off.  Spent much of the time in Reno glued to the news.  Like watching a fascinating train wreck. You know it's coming. You know it is going to be terrible and you still can't stop looking.
About the people who remained in the city.  Many of them are the poorest of the poor who had no way to leave even if they wanted to. I feel for them and the innocent children. The City officials should have made some effort to help them evacuate. Those that refused to evacuate should just STFU.  Unfortunately some of them are also the criminals, slackers and leeches that suck the life out of the rest of society.  I do NOT feel for them. It is welfare mentality that has created this problem.  The idea that you are "owed" by society and that what you are given is not good enough and you demand more.  I am struck dumb by the woman who was whining that she had nothing to eat for days and no water, yet when given a MRE (the same food that our troops in combat eat) threw it away because it wasn't hot and was not tasty enough for her discriminating (welfare) standards.  Come on.  Puuuleeese.  I am supposed to feel sorry for bitches and leeches like that??  I hope she drowns.
As we know in our business, 80% of our revenue is generated by 20% of our book.  I appears to me, in a reverse sense, that the 20% of New Orleans that remained in the city represents the 20% of society that is not generating anything useful and is a basic drag on society.
I know this sounds really cold, but I am a realist.  I compared it to cleaning the refrigerator.   During the cleaning process you have to throw out the scummy vegetables that have hidden in the back of the drawer, the half used jar of salsa that has green slime on top, and remove the apples that have started to go bad while saving the good apples.  When you are done the fridge is clean, organized and healthy.  I am NOT advocating that we as a society purposly clense our "refrigerator" (so to speak).  I am merely observing this seems to be a process that is occuring now in this disaster. And yes, it is cold, but it might be a good thing in the long run.
Flame away

It seems to me that you should read the same book that I suggested for Malcolm.  Perhaps you could borrow his edition when he gets done.

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doberman wrote:
Regardless of economic means (or the lack thereof), no one should have remained in the New Orleans area during Katrina. Even accepting the fact that there were people who could not afford to leave is not an excuse. So, how could they have been evacuated?
I would venture to guess that there are several hundred school and church buses in the New Orleans area. Why didn't the responsible officials employ these buses as a way to shuttle people out of harm's way? Why wasn't there a plan incorporating these emergency measures?
 

 
Read the book.

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INDYONE
well Put!  I enjoyed your post!
 
Should New Orleans be rebuilt?  By rebuilding are we just waiting for this to happen again? 
I just wondered what everyone thinks about this. 

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